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What would you like to see change in 2016?
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hownwbrowncow
02-01-2016
I am having SCD withdrawal symptoms, so looking ahead to Series 14, what would you like to see change?

I only have a few things:

I want all the finalists to have done ever dance. This could be acheived if they start doing two dances one week earlier.

No dance-off in the semi-final. We should be able to choose our finalists to be honest.

And finally, for the judge's choice in the final, I want them to choose memorable, good dances! No week 1 dances please...
Tejas
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by hownwbrowncow:
“I am having SCD withdrawal symptoms, so looking ahead to Series 14, what would you like to see change?

I only have a few things:

I want all the finalists to have done ever dance. This could be acheived if they start doing two dances one week earlier.

No dance-off in the semi-final. We should be able to choose our finalists to be honest.

And finally, for the judge's choice in the final, I want them to choose memorable, good dances! No week 1 dances please...”

I'd rather judges choice was scrapped altogether - either let the contestants choose 2 routines to do again or just have 1 'favourite' routine and the showdance.

As for other changes - I'd change most, or possibly all of the judges who have seriously spoilt my enjoyment of the last series.

Get rid of backing dancers - possible exceptions being Blackpool and the final.

Let Brendan go; he's an amazing dancer, showman and choreographer but put him with a celeb who's not an obvious contender and its not pretty! I wouldn't be bothered if Gleb went too, but part of me would like to see what he'd be like with a completely different person.
postit
02-01-2016
No more boy band twinks, please.
Gill P
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by postit:
“No more boy band twinks, please.”

Sorry but you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with boy band members. They have every right to be there as anyone else. Just because a boy band member was a good dancer and won doesn't mean all should be excluded!
dancing.queen
02-01-2016
Get rid of judges choice, bring in publics choice.
aggs
02-01-2016
Whatever has gone on with the series before hand, have the final as a celebration of the series, so dances people actually want to see again and no week one dances or dances where one of the judges had a snit fit about content, no dances that needed 'improving' - just good dances even if they are drawn from the semi or quarter final pool.

Remind the Judges that the final is a celebration and it would be appreciated if they could keep their comments towards the 'positive' end of the spectrum. The finalists are there as a combination of the public vote and their own dance off saving - so they have no reason to be grumpy about anyone being there. Appear gracious about the eventual winner.

(Oh, and if the Showdance really is a no rules, anything goes dance - then go back to having it unmarked).
CatO9Tales
02-01-2016
Definitely think the final needs changing in some way - would prefer the contestants to do one ballroom and one Latin, preferably their best of each, and if they're going to stick with the showdance model I think it needs more direction.

In a wider context, not a change, necessarily, but the judges need to be clear on the rules and consistent in their application. We could do without dodgy dance-offs and the pros need to all be on the same playing field with choreography (albeit that some are clearly, and will always be, better than others) - I rather felt that it was getting beyond boundary-pushing and into taking the P at times.
tinyangel
02-01-2016
If they're going to have judges choice, I'd like them to just pick a style, eg all couples repeat their American smooth or Salsa. That way we get a more of a direct comparison as opposed to Tango v Rumba v quickstep v whatever it was Katie did (really can't remember)
Also only 3 people in the final please!
marinamau
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by tinyangel:
“If they're going to have judges choice, I'd like them to just pick a style, eg all couples repeat their American smooth or Salsa. That way we get a more of a direct comparison as opposed to Tango v Rumba v quickstep v whatever it was Katie did (really can't remember)
Also only 3 people in the final please!”

I like the idea but I would not be fair. It's not the same a week 1 tango as a week 10 one.i prefer the best Latin and best ballroom choices.
StrictlyRed
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Whatever has gone on with the series before hand, have the final as a celebration of the series, so dances people actually want to see again and no week one dances or dances where one of the judges had a snit fit about content, no dances that needed 'improving' - just good dances even if they are drawn from the semi or quarter final pool.

Remind the Judges that the final is a celebration and it would be appreciated if they could keep their comments towards the 'positive' end of the spectrum. The finalists are there as a combination of the public vote and their own dance off saving - so they have no reason to be grumpy about anyone being there. Appear gracious about the eventual winner.

(Oh, and if the Showdance really is a no rules, anything goes dance - then go back to having it unmarked).”

Pretty much how I feel too.

Also, if the showdance has no rules - avoid comments like "now that's what a showdance should be like" in your critique, judges.
tinyangel
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by marinamau:
“I like the idea but I would not be fair. It's not the same a week 1 tango as a week 10 one.i prefer the best Latin and best ballroom choices.”

It didn't seem to do Kellie any harm this year doing a week 1 dance against others later dances, but I do take your point. It would have been easier in the old days when everyone started the series doing the same couple of dances for the first few weeks.
Nina_Blake
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Sorry but you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with boy band members. They have every right to be there as anyone else. Just because a boy band member was a good dancer and won doesn't mean all should be excluded!”

Wrong? The OP asked what people would change and postit gave their opinion. Regardless of whether you agree with that opinion or not, doesn't invalidate it as a response.
bendymixer
02-01-2016
I think latin and ballroom dances should be evenly spread for each couple through series - Kate and Anton did no latin for a couple of weeks towards the end and avoided latin in final

would like judges choice changed to peoples choice
postit
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Sorry but you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with boy band members. They have every right to be there as anyone else. Just because a boy band member was a good dancer and won doesn't mean all should be excluded!”

*shrug* you're entitled to your opinion, but I'd prefer no more twinks.
StrictlyRed
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by postit:
“*shrug* you're entitled to your opinion, but I'd prefer no more twinks.”

I've no idea what a twink is, but I'm guessing it's not complimentary.
JamieHT
02-01-2016
Originally Posted by postit:
“No more boy band twinks, please.”

I wouldn't class any of the boybanders who've been on Strictly as 'twinks.' Harry is probably closest but not really.

Next series I would like a three person final, with only the final two getting to do their choice or maybe even showdance.

12 celebrities would be enough. Give them a few weeks before the first dance off.
Angela F
03-01-2016
Clear 2nd and 3rd places in the final (as it used to be up until a few years ago) please!
BeeBumble
03-01-2016
I think public's choice would be a bad idea as it only takes one group of crazed fans to band against their biggest competitors and pick a really poor dance for them. Maybe a mix of Judges and public choice, like the judges pick their favourite three and then the public get to pick out of that three.

The online voting really needs to be sorted. It's so easy to cheat as they don't ask for confirmation emails or captcha's meaning not only can fans just make loads of fake accounts and vote a bazillion times someone could even create a bot to keep making accounts and vote for them at top speed. How a massive corporation like the BBC have an IT team that don't know implementing something as simple as confirmation emails and captcha's can stop vote rigging is beyond me.
Fred.
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by CatO9Tales:
“Definitely think the final needs changing in some way - would prefer the contestants to do one ballroom and one Latin, preferably their best of each, and if they're going to stick with the showdance model I think it needs more direction.

In a wider context, not a change, necessarily, but the judges need to be clear on the rules and consistent in their application. We could do without dodgy dance-offs and the pros need to all be on the same playing field with choreography (albeit that some are clearly, and will always be, better than others) - I rather felt that it was getting beyond boundary-pushing and into taking the P at times.”

Agree very strongly about judges being consistent. It's OK to let things go a little bit early on, but they should make it clear from about week 5 that 'Rules is Rules'.

Some of the irritation with the judges is them criticising a couple one week, and then letting the same fault go with a different couple and scoring high the following week.

Some dances allow for the dramatic - Paso and Tango, or anything (almost) goes - Charleston and AS, so there is some variety during the Series.

But if all dances are 'dramatic' or 'almost anything goes' then there's no light and shade to the Series and it gets too much the same.

Personally think the Final should stick to 4 couples as it makes it more interesting to more viewers. The semi-final shouldn't have a dance-off so it's down to a straight 50:50 mixture of judges and public - otherwise, with so few couples, the judges have too much influence.

For me the Final should consist of each couple doing a fast and a slow dance of their choice from any week except the semi-final - and there to be a Freedance (as some Showdances in the past have turned into 'Liftathons').
Fred.
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“I think public's choice would be a bad idea as it only takes one group of crazed fans to band against their biggest competitors and pick a really poor dance for them. Maybe a mix of Judges and public choice, like the judges pick their favourite three and then the public get to pick out of that three.

The online voting really needs to be sorted. It's so easy to cheat as they don't ask for confirmation emails or captcha's meaning not only can fans just make loads of fake accounts and vote a bazillion times someone could even create a bot to keep making accounts and vote for them at top speed. How a massive corporation like the BBC have an IT team that don't know implementing something as simple as confirmation emails and captcha's can stop vote rigging is beyond me.”

Don't think there can be that much multiple voting in the short time allowed - it would be physically impossible even using more than one email account, and too expensive as well as physically impossible if phoning.

Would anyone bother making a bot for Strictly? It's not that easy.

Have heard of the BBC sending some confirmation emails this year but they seem to have been at random.

Can't see the result was such a surprise - the Winner was the betting favourite, top of many polls and not been in the dance-off even when lower on the judges' leaderboard. Even on the Appreciation Threads here there are more views - Jay has more views than Georgia and both are much more popular than Kellie.

(I liked Jay best, followed by Georgia, but I didn't dislike Kellie and I like Kevin.)

(Sorry, it won't let me multi-quote).
BeeBumble
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Don't think there can be that much multiple voting in the short time allowed - it would be physically impossible even using more than one email account, and too expensive as well as physically impossible if phoning.

Would anyone bother making a bot for Strictly? It's not that easy.

Have heard of the BBC sending some confirmation emails this year but they seem to have been at random.

Can't see the result was such a surprise - the Winner was the betting favourite, top of many polls and not been in the dance-off even when lower on the judges' leaderboard. Even on the Appreciation Threads here there are more views - Jay has more views than Georgia and both are much more popular than Kellie.

(I liked Jay best, followed by Georgia, but I didn't dislike Kellie and I like Kevin.)

(Sorry, it won't let me multi-quote).”

I'm not saying it has anything to do with Jay's win.

Just that there are some massive superfans out there and it only takes one with good programming knowledge to make a BOT for them to rig the whole result. It just baffles me why the BBC don't bother to prevent this because it really only needs simple measures to stop it from happening.
StigOfTheKrump
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“I've no idea what a twink is, but I'm guessing it's not complimentary.”

Eh, I'd say so.

(my only real concern would be to remove the dance-off. There are a few other minor grumbles, like the use of backing dancers and the fact that none of the judges seem to be able to do their job properly, but that's the main one)
Monsieur23
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by postit:
“No more boy band twinks, please.”

Both winners were more otters, really.

But on topic:

- start 2 dances one week earlier (so all dances have been done before the Final)

- bring back Fusions for the Final; maybe fuse two fairly good dances for the celeb (Jay: Argentine Tango/Paso Doble, Kellie: Quickstep/Jive, Georgia: Tango/Salsa, Katie: Foxtrot/Rumba etc.).

- if you're gonna do an -athon, have it be a Segue-athon, with all bases covered: slow Ballroom, party Latin etc. So in order: Waltz, Salsa, Paso Doble, Quickstep, Argentine Tango, Jive. Only a real all-rounder would succeed there, and it'd give the judges a more broad view of the celebs. It could also be fun because the couples wouldn't know the dances they'll be doing to begin with, so a Salsa could be misinterpreted as a Samba, or a Quickstep, or a Charleston, or a Foxtrot, or an Argentine Tango, or a...

- save Salsa, Charleston, and American Smooth until at least Week 3; it makes no sense to suddenly spring lifts on people Week 2, when it could theoretically be their last dance.

- Week 1: Waltz, Tango, Jive, Cha-Cha-Cha / Week 2: Tango, Jive, Quickstep, Rumba

- In the Final:

Fusion Dance
Redemption Dance (scored ~approx 31/32 first time)

ELIMINATION

Showdance
Favourite Dance
StigOfTheKrump
03-01-2016
#YearOfTheBear
StigOfTheKrump
03-01-2016
Originally Posted by Monsieur23:
“- start 2 dances one week earlier (so all dances have been done before the Final)”

Ah yes, this slipped my mind too - but also to prepare them stamina-wise for what's to come. The past few years have seen the couples fail to live up to the standard expected of them in the semis/final on more than one occasion, and I think it's best to get the two-dances-in-one-week shock to the system out of the way a week earlier. Matt Di Angelo's meltdown? Quarter-finals. Laila Rouass seemingly forgetting everything she'd learnt in the past three months? Quarter-finals. I could go on...
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