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What would you like to see change in 2016?
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wazzyboy
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by JamieHT:
“There wouldn't be a tie with five judges?”

Perhaps meaning if the other four were a 2-2 split he still gets the final say?

I bet he'd be on the spot a lot more often than he was last year
Tejas
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“There are quite a few changes I would make:

1. A whole new judging panel.

2. Less theme weeks - 2 at most.

3. No props or backing dancers.

4. Let the pros pick the music they want for the dances.

5. Out with the silly VTs and show proper training instead.

6. Finals:
No Judges choice, let each contestant choose one Ballroom and one Latin.
Only the final 3 get to do the Showdance, which should be their last dance, as before.”

Is there somewhere I can go online to vote for you to be put in charge of the show? I'm not keen on your idea re: the showdance, but otherwise agree with everything you say - and overall I'd accept all of your suggestions in a flash over what we have now!
Tejas
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by James_Laverty:
“Something I forgot

I still want a 5th judge. OK we didn't have it at any point this year but I hate it when a couple goes on because of Len having the decider on a tie”

I hate Len choosing as well, especially like last year when he basically put Mark and Simon in the final despite multiple dance-off appearances and then rambled on about how the public had chosen the finalists!

However, why 5 judges - there won't be time to hear what they all think, and if there was it would just be more waffle to make the show even more tedious to watch in the early weeks. 3 judges for me!
JamieHT
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I hate Len choosing as well, especially like last year when he basically put Mark and Simon in the final despite multiple dance-off appearances and then rambled on about how the public had chosen the finalists!

However, why 5 judges - there won't be time to hear what they all think, and if there was it would just be more waffle to make the show even more tedious to watch in the early weeks. 3 judges for me!”

What I want is the judges to give their dance off votes in a different order every week.
Collins1965
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“Is there somewhere I can go online to vote for you to be put in charge of the show? I'm not keen on your idea re: the showdance, but otherwise agree with everything you say - and overall I'd accept all of your suggestions in a flash over what we have now!”

Thank you kindly

I have thought of one more suggestion - make the Argentine Tango one of the semi-final dances so we get to compare and contrast them.

I love a good AT, me
maggie_07
04-01-2016
Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“There are quite a few changes I would make:

1. A whole new judging panel.

2. Less theme weeks - 2 at most.

3. No props or backing dancers.

4. Let the pros pick the music they want for the dances.

5. Out with the silly VTs and show proper training instead.

6. Finals:
No Judges choice, let each contestant choose one Ballroom and one Latin.
Only the final 3 get to do the Showdance, which should be their last dance, as before.”

Brilliant suggestions especially No. 1. I think the judges have been there too long and they think they are more important than the dancers. However I would get rid of 2 this year and 2 next year and bring in some fresh faces. I would also stop the silly introduction with the judges trying to dance.

If Craig and Len are still there in the next series I may not be watching (to save myself getting wound up at their comments). They obviously like different styles of dancing than I do.
Gill P
04-01-2016
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“3. No props or backing dancers.”

Maybe the occasional hat or cane.
JohnStannard
10-01-2016
I would say the odd hat and cane yes but apart from this no props and god no to 5 judges it takes too long to get all their scores ect 4s right and i would say keep movies and musicals special axe the other themes
Bearcub
11-01-2016
I'd like all of the dancers to get more than a couple of weeks before the eliminations start. I think it's a shame that sometimes, someone doesn't even get chance to do both a Latin and a Ballroom before being voted off.

They could achieve this with either less Celebs to start with, or a few double eliminations later on.
Polly-T
11-01-2016
All the finalists to have done every dance during the series. Two dances in the quarter final and two in the semi final and three in the final

No dance-off in the semi-final - the couple with the lowest overall points should be eliminated - judges should not choose the finalists.

Each couple in the final should do one Latin and one Ballroom - of their own choice. and a free/show-dance as the final dance

Less theme weeks - either a Musicals week or a Movies week - not both.

Less or no props and backing dancers to dance behind and not around celebrity and pro - this is the second year they have adversely impacted on the celebrity dancing (remember Jake last year)

The pros to have more control over music choice and dance style

Change to judging panel with Consistency in applying the rules by the judges - the bias shown this year (Peter in the dance-off v Jamelia, Katie in d/o vs Anita, Kellie in d/o vs Peter - the over marking of certain contestants and undermarkimg of others) was blatant and spoiled what should have been a great series, particularly in the final.

Get rid of Head judge casting vote - if votes tied - then it is decided on the public vote
Gill P
11-01-2016
Polly your list is just what I would have chosen, particularly the last point!
Fred.
11-01-2016
Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“All the finalists to have done every dance during the series. Two dances in the quarter final and two in the semi final and three in the final

No dance-off in the semi-final - the couple with the lowest overall points should be eliminated - judges should not choose the finalists.

Each couple in the final should do one Latin and one Ballroom - of their own choice. and a free/show-dance as the final dance

Less theme weeks - either a Musicals week or a Movies week - not both.

Less or no props and backing dancers to dance behind and not around celebrity and pro - this is the second year they have adversely impacted on the celebrity dancing (remember Jake last year)

The pros to have more control over music choice and dance style

Change to judging panel with Consistency in applying the rules by the judges - the bias shown this year (Peter in the dance-off v Jamelia, Katie in d/o vs Anita, Kellie in d/o vs Peter - the over marking of certain contestants and undermarkimg of others) was blatant and spoiled what should have been a great series, particularly in the final.

Get rid of Head judge casting vote - if votes tied - then it is decided on the public vote”

Almost agree with everything.

Though wouldn't have more dances in the Quarter Finals. They dropped that as they all got too tired with so many dances, and the quality falls.

Think it's one if the reasons the Final sometimes doesn't feel WOW - they are all just too tired.

Really agree about no dance-off in the Semi-final - there are too few couples. A popular Celebrity in 2nd place in the public vote can end up in the dance-off.

I'd say in the Final each couple to do one fast and one slow dance of their choice as 'Latin and Ballroom' are a bit arbitrary in Strictly.

And don't have a Show dance, have a Free dance.

Agree - if they are going to have theme weeks, be sensible over the choices.

Why have more than minimal props and backing dancers, except perhaps at Blackpool? And agree - they must be behind the celebrity and Pro.

Agree - give Pros a bit more choice over music and style - it's starting to look a bit odd and contrived with the PTB controlling everything.

PLEASE can any replacements be properly trained dancers in ballroom or Latin - and let them use their skills? Joe Varney has been brill once he settled.

Wouldn't change the judges, but they do need to state which rules they are following and STICK to them. Can understand being a bit easy in early weeks, but need to say which rules.

And, please, be consistent over a Rumba being a Rumba or a Salsa being a Salsa. No problem with a bit of drama, but we've had too many 'Showdances' before the Final.

Agree about getting rid of casting vote. If they don't want to reveal the public vote, why not get a random group from the audience to decide - say choose 3 or 5 by random ticket number.

Don't think there has been any 'fixes' at all and do understand it's a Saturday evening, family entertainment show - but it's seemed too contrived this year.
Tall Paul
12-01-2016
Introduce half points like they did in dancing on ice to avoid ties.
dippydancing
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by captain_cherub:
“Bin judges' choice if they can't be trusted to pick anything half decent. Throw the decision to somebody who knows what the public wants to see.

Get rid of that (alleged) rule about nobody reprising dances done in the last 3 weeks of competition, because that TANKED this year's final. If we had that rule in previous years, we'd never have seen Caroline's charleston again, or (worst of all) Natalie Gumede would never have TOUCHED THE DIVINE in her AS.

Let the last-placed couple in the final do their couples' choice again. Relaxes the nerves, cuts down on the filler, and frankly if they let Lisa Snowdon do That Blimming Showdance after she's already been eliminated, then goddamit we should've gotten to see Sophie Ellis-Bextor's charleston again.

Lose Darcey and/or Len - neither are contributing anything worthwhile. Give Craig a note about contrivance, and just let Bruno work his magic.

Keep the VTs as a mix between comedy skits for some couples (who are in it more for the entertainment/fun factor) and training videos for others (who are in it more for the competition/long haul). Tells us more about the contestants' personalities that way, and it means their scriptwriter doesn't have to hammer out 15 threadbare skits every week.

I maintain that if they do it right, same-sex couples could work.

Jo and Oti did good work in the Christmas special, get them some good/decent partners next year. Please give Kevin an old dear, he's overdue a duffer and I think he'd enjoy it more than the others would (also he can spend all series feeling his 50s faux-nostalgia fantasy). Natalie to make it past Hallowe'en week this year as well.

Three couples in final, final two, no dance-off (didn't hurt series 8 or 9), two dances at top 6 (marathon dance the week before will ease them in), keep the backing dancers in Blackpool where there's space for them (they just drown most people out in Elstree), stop wardrobe from making people look Scott Mills levels of ridiculous (looking at you, Frankenrumba).”

^^^This this this^^^ ( ....although I'd keep Darcey)

And I'd reduce the number of contestants to shorten the series; the finalists are visibly knackered and ready for rehab by the final week- especially with all the extra miscellaneous interviews (which comparatively few people see or hear anyway) eating into precious training(/sleeping) time.

And just do two dances in the final; I'd far rather see two great dances than one great, one ok and one glossed-over.
Mystical123
12-01-2016
1. Completely new judging panel.
2. Move Anton to the judging panel.
3. Make Ian Waite head judge.
4. Fewer theme weeks.
5. Fewer props, appropriately used - and no more silly themes for dances!
6. No backing dancers (or if we have to have them, only at Blackpool).
7. A 3-couple final, down to two at the end.
8. Final format should be: favourite ballroom, favourite Latin [then eliminate one couple], final two dance off against each other dancing two different styles to the same song (see series 5) OR final two dance a new dance they haven't done, showdance (not scored).
9. Argentine Tango should be danced by all semi-finalists that week and not before (again, see series 5).
10. Introduce two dances earlier so the finalists have done them all.
11. The first two weeks should be two ballroom and two Latin dances only (Waltz, Tango, Cha Cha and Jive or Salsa) and each contestant must dance ballroom and Latin before the first elimination (I don't think Anita did this year?).
12. Move the Quickstepathon / Waltzathon to Blackpool (the floor's actually big enough and they should make the most of it)
13. Have a couple more group dances involving the celebs at a later stage when they're good enough for it not to be dreadful (e.g. the great Dirty Dancing one they did years ago).
14. More proper ballroom dresses - they were seriously lacking this year, even for the pros!
15. Claudia to be consistent in thanking the pros properly at the end of the guest music act this week - she occasionally says their names, sometimes says "our amazing professional dancers" and half the time doesn't even recognise them, and it really gets on my nerves They have names, she should use them!
16. Fewer comedy VTs and more training footage.
17. Give the pros more control over the music choices.
18. Get rid of Len's Lens.
19. Get rid of the judges' cringeworthy entrance "dance".
20. No more Karen Hardy on ITT.

And my really wishful thinking - the BBC to come up with a way to prevent people who've won tickets in the past from applying for the ballot again (or being counted in the ballot) so that those of us who've been trying for the better part of a decade and never been successful have a slightly better chance!

I'm not asking for much really
Mystical123
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by captain_cherub:
“Bin judges' choice if they can't be trusted to pick anything half decent. Throw the decision to somebody who knows what the public wants to see.

Get rid of that (alleged) rule about nobody reprising dances done in the last 3 weeks of competition, because that TANKED this year's final. If we had that rule in previous years, we'd never have seen Caroline's charleston again, or (worst of all) Natalie Gumede would never have TOUCHED THE DIVINE in her AS.

Let the last-placed couple in the final do their couples' choice again. Relaxes the nerves, cuts down on the filler, and frankly if they let Lisa Snowdon do That Blimming Showdance after she's already been eliminated, then goddamit we should've gotten to see Sophie Ellis-Bextor's charleston again.

Keep the VTs as a mix between comedy skits for some couples (who are in it more for the entertainment/fun factor) and training videos for others (who are in it more for the competition/long haul). Tells us more about the contestants' personalities that way, and it means their scriptwriter doesn't have to hammer out 15 threadbare skits every week.

Jo and Oti did good work in the Christmas special, get them some good/decent partners next year. Please give Kevin an old dear, he's overdue a duffer and I think he'd enjoy it more than the others would (also he can spend all series feeling his 50s faux-nostalgia fantasy). Natalie to make it past Hallowe'en week this year as well.”

And add all these to my list!
pembo2004
13-01-2016
Could they rest hollween theme week??
DeltaBlues
13-01-2016
I haven't read any other replies as I'm posting in a hurry, so apols if I'm simply re-stating oft-repeated points.

1. The main thing I'd like to see is a bit more consistency from the judges, along with less "I think X will/should make the final" in advance. By that I mean I'd like them to at least pretend to be impartial and to remember the Strictly's own rules (such as they are) for each dance and apply them to every couple, not just a varying handful from week to week. That was the biggest single blot on my enjoyment this year.

2. I'd like the pros to be given back some autonomy over song selection, so that we get music that suits the dance.

3. Any new dancers to have a grounding in ballroom and Latin, not just BTF-type choreography.

4. Scrap the judges' choice in the final.

5. No teapots.
Kyle123
13-01-2016
The judges scoring needs to be more consistent. One thing that I often feel happens is that the judges sometimes score a dance based on how it met their pre-formed expectations of the couple, or how the judges expected the dance to be. (Len in particular is bad for this)

I can't think of a good example to demonstrate what I mean, so here's a made-up scenario to illustrate my point: Two couples perform Jive's. Couple A are frontrunners, Couple B are typically near the bottom of the pack. Couple B surprise the judges and do much better than expected. Couple A still do better than Couple B, but their dance isn't upto their usual standard.

Sometimes in that situation, I feel like the judges will reward Couple A for exceeding expectations and punish Couple B for not matching them. This sometimes leads to situations where Couple A get scores that are similar or even better than Couple B, even though B were clearly better.

I'm all for the judges enouraging Couple A for doing better than usual, but they should mark each couple on the same scale, not a different one for each couple.
CatO9Tales
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“The judges scoring needs to be more consistent. One thing that I often feel happens is that the judges sometimes score a dance based on how it met their pre-formed expectations of the couple, or how the judges expected the dance to be. (Len in particular is bad for this)

I can't think of a good example to demonstrate what I mean, so here's a made-up scenario to illustrate my point: Two couples perform Jive's. Couple A are frontrunners, Couple B are typically near the bottom of the pack. Couple B surprise the judges and do much better than expected. Couple A still do better than Couple B, but their dance isn't upto their usual standard.

Sometimes in that situation, I feel like the judges will reward Couple A for exceeding expectations and punish Couple B for not matching them. This sometimes leads to situations where Couple A get scores that are similar or even better than Couple B, even though B were clearly better.

I'm all for the judges enouraging Couple A for doing better than usual, but they should mark each couple on the same scale, not a different one for each couple.”

Oh, I so agree with you. The memory of some of the marks given to Peter's jive still rankles. One point less than Jay's from one judge? Seriously ....

And, beyond thact, I spent the first 3/4 of the series squawking (to myself ) that none of the Charlestons were up to the best in previous years and why were they getting such high marks?
A.D.P
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“1. Completely new judging panel.
2. Move Anton to the judging panel.
3. Make Ian Waite head judge.
4. Fewer theme weeks.
5. Fewer props, appropriately used - and no more silly themes for dances!
6. No backing dancers (or if we have to have them, only at Blackpool).
7. A 3-couple final, down to two at the end.
8. Final format should be: favourite ballroom, favourite Latin [then eliminate one couple], final two dance off against each other dancing two different styles to the same song (see series 5) OR final two dance a new dance they haven't done, showdance (not scored).
9. Argentine Tango should be danced by all semi-finalists that week and not before (again, see series 5).
10. Introduce two dances earlier so the finalists have done them all.
11. The first two weeks should be two ballroom and two Latin dances only (Waltz, Tango, Cha Cha and Jive or Salsa) and each contestant must dance ballroom and Latin before the first elimination (I don't think Anita did this year?).
12. Move the Quickstepathon / Waltzathon to Blackpool (the floor's actually big enough and they should make the most of it)
13. Have a couple more group dances involving the celebs at a later stage when they're good enough for it not to be dreadful (e.g. the great Dirty Dancing one they did years ago).
14. More proper ballroom dresses - they were seriously lacking this year, even for the pros!
15. Claudia to be consistent in thanking the pros properly at the end of the guest music act this week - she occasionally says their names, sometimes says "our amazing professional dancers" and half the time doesn't even recognise them, and it really gets on my nerves They have names, she should use them!
16. Fewer comedy VTs and more training footage.
17. Give the pros more control over the music choices.
18. Get rid of Len's Lens.
19. Get rid of the judges' cringeworthy entrance "dance".
20. No more Karen Hardy on ITT.

And my really wishful thinking - the BBC to come up with a way to prevent people who've won tickets in the past from applying for the ballot again (or being counted in the ballot) so that those of us who've been trying for the better part of a decade and never been successful have a slightly better chance!

I'm not asking for much really ”

I really hope not , a 12 million viewer show should not gave any changes, if it sent broke do not fix it. Just look at the ruined X Factor, no thanks.
Doghouse Riley
13-01-2016
There's always been changes.

Sadly, expect some more next year.
I'm all for it being primarily entertainment, but it's getting too much like a pantomime, on occasions.
The judges this year have lost a considerable amount of respect from some of the viewers.
So they should get rid of the judges, "grand entrance."
Who thought that one up? The ratings chasing, "Rainbow Worrier?"
It looks silly. Their role needs restricting.
Darcey's not so bad, but "the three stooges" need to stop trying to upstage each other all the time (it's getting ridiculous) and start acting just a bit more like proper judges. Stop showing favouritism, on occasions there's too much disparity between the points awarded for the same performance.
Anyway, when push comes to shove, in the end, the viewers decide who wins.

Len needs some "happy pills" or something, he's becoming more curmudgeonly each series.

Too many lighting effects now, it distracts attention from the performances.

The audience need to be shown how to clap on the "right," beat. i.e. second and fourth when it's in 4/4 time.
Gill P
13-01-2016
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“The audience need to be shown how to clap on the "right," beat. i.e. second and fourth when it's in 4/4 time.”

Oh, at last someone who understands that clapping on every beat isn't the way to do it!
JamieHT
13-01-2016
No more teapots.

No, more teapots.
Doghouse Riley
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Oh, at last someone who understands that clapping on every beat isn't the way to do it!”

You'll enjoy this.

This is Harry Connick Jr. playing in front of a typical "Strictly type" audience who are clapping on the "wrong beats," one and four.
He tricks them into clapping on the right beat by momentarily changing the timing in a bar at around 40 seconds in, so they end up clapping on the correct beats, two and four.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3i...nx7HBmGnJkiyxT
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