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Old 02-01-2016, 22:34
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Sorry if there is a thread on this, I did have a look but may have missed it

Why is Ronnie such a rubbish mother. She tried for years to be one, had a couple of children who sadly died, but now she has one she doesn't seem to give a crap about him! It just all seems a bit odd, I haven't watched in a while so if this has been explained on screen firstly I apologise and secondly can someone explain it to me please?
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Old 02-01-2016, 22:45
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I'm a bit confused too. Ronnie is more interested in Vincent. She lost a baby so I would have thought she wold dote on her son but she hardly bothers with him and doesn't talk about him at all which is so weird. You'd think she'd put some of the energy she uses on Roxy and Vincent into Matthew.
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Old 02-01-2016, 22:47
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I suspect after all the heartache, she's possibly holding back a bit just in case something goes wrong. I don't think Ronnie is deliberately cold or unfeeling, but she is a product of what she has been through in life. But then to be fair, I've no interest in seeing her coo over her baby.
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Old 02-01-2016, 22:56
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I dunno why they even bothered giving her a child to be honest. Unless like u say she's holding back on purpose leading too a future storyline. I've never cared for Ronnie but it just intrigued me after watching New Years day
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:03
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I dunno why they even bothered giving her a child to be honest. Unless like u say she's holding back on purpose leading too a future storyline. I've never cared for Ronnie but it just intrigued me after watching New Years day
That's exactly what I was going to say but my computer misbehaved when I tried to post. I don't know why the writers gave her a baby either.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:08
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Let's not forget that when Matthew was born Ronnie was in a coma for months afterwards. She missed some key bonding time there, and she was extremely hurt to learn Roxie had stepped into the mother (and wife) role during the interim.

When they gave her a child I suspect they hadn't planned for Jack to return so it's conceivable they imagined Ronnie and Charlie had a lot more mileage.

But it's also out of character for us to see a soft side of Ronnie anymore too. She has to be cold, calculating and removed from reality. That's just how she functions and who she is now. What will be nice is seeing Jack can break through and bring out her softer side.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:23
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Let's not forget that when Matthew was born Ronnie was in a coma for months afterwards. She missed some key bonding time there, and she was extremely hurt to learn Roxie had stepped into the mother (and wife) role during the interim.

When they gave her a child I suspect they hadn't planned for Jack to return so it's conceivable they imagined Ronnie and Charlie had a lot more mileage.

But it's also out of character for us to see a soft side of Ronnie anymore too. She has to be cold, calculating and removed from reality. That's just how she functions and who she is now. What will be nice is seeing Jack can break through and bring out her softer side.
Agreed. The thing is that if she hasn't bonded why aren't we shown her reaction to having difficulties? Why does no one mention to her that she isn't bonding or why does she not admit she finds it hard to Roxy maybe? It's just like they gave her a kid and then just couldn't write for them.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:27
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I think it's a case of 'happy ever after' doesn't exist. Ronnie always thought that a child would fill the void in her life, and when she got what she always wanted, she realised it didn't make her half as content as she thought it would.

Matthew's mother is Ronnie and his grandparents are Nick and Archie. This and his mother being totally distant as he grows up = the next Walford psychopath.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:28
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Agreed. The thing is that if she hasn't bonded why aren't we shown her reaction to having difficulties? Why does no one mention to her that she isn't bonding or why does she not admit she finds it hard to Roxy maybe? It's just like they gave her a kid and then just couldn't write for them.
To be fair, Roxy basically cut Ronnie out. And no one is saying Ronnie is a bad mother in the show because maybe she isn't. She's always with him, seems well cared for and I sure Honey would have said something.

Jack did point out Matthew needing her this week, which could be a hint of something. But just because we don't see her cooing over him all the time doesn't mean she's a bad mother.

Plus just because she's a mother, doesn't mean she can't deal with other dramas. The amount of murder plots over the last 2 weeks she's had to deal with, I can forgive her for being a bit of a distracted mother!
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:28
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I think it's a case of 'happy ever after' doesn't exist. Ronnie always thought that a child would fill the void in her life, and when she got what she always wanted, she realised it didn't make her half as content as she thought it would.

Matthew's mother is Ronnie and his grandparents are Nick and Archie. This and his mother being totally distant as he grows up = the next Walford psychopath.
If they let her keep this one.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:34
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I think it's a case of 'happy ever after' doesn't exist. Ronnie always thought that a child would fill the void in her life, and when she got what she always wanted, she realised it didn't make her half as content as she thought it would.

Matthew's mother is Ronnie and his grandparents are Nick and Archie. This and his mother being totally distant as he grows up = the next Walford psychopath.
Definitely. God, imagine having Nick and Archie as your grandparents. It's a good job they're both dead! I think the writers won't be able to resist making Matthew into a "nutter" or big time gangster.
I don't think Ronnie is a bad mother. I just meant there hasn't been much writing for them.
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Old 02-01-2016, 23:35
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Maybe Dot being his great grandmother will be his redeeming feature?
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:07
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Poor writing for Ronnie did this.

If EE wants to help her character at all this year they need to keep her away from this gangster nonsense. Leave it Phil when he's recovered.

I'd like to see them focus on Ronnie's "healing", paying attention to being a mum to Matthew. I also want to see them soften her character who socialises with the other women on the Square. I think her and Honey could be a nice friendship. They could also have her mixing with Linda and Sharon.
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:14
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Poor writing for Ronnie did this.

If EE wants to help her character at all this year they need to keep her away from this gangster nonsense. Leave it Phil when he's recovered.

I'd like to see them focus on Ronnie's "healing", paying attention to being a mum to Matthew. I also want to see them soften her character who socialises with the other women on the Square. I think her and Honey could be a nice friendship. They could also have her mixing with Linda and Sharon.
God no, gangsta Ron Ron every time. I love it when she's controlling and manipulating and getting one up on people. That 'you should know better' smirk she does is brilliant. What I don't like is her reluctance to fully embrace it.
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:21
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Poor writing for Ronnie did this.

If EE wants to help her character at all this year they need to keep her away from this gangster nonsense. Leave it Phil when he's recovered.

I'd like to see them focus on Ronnie's "healing", paying attention to being a mum to Matthew. I also want to see them soften her character who socialises with the other women on the Square. I think her and Honey could be a nice friendship. They could also have her mixing with Linda and Sharon.
No thanks. Ronnie despite her obsession with her sister isn't a "girl's girl". She gets on better with men. Some women are just like that. I don't want scenes with her being friends with Sharon, Linda and especially not Honey. I think someone like Honey would annoy the hell out of a woman like Ronnie. To be honest I don't find the female friendships on Eastenders at all believable. All this "best friends" crap when they've known each other 5 minutes gets on my nerves.
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:26
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No thanks. Ronnie despite her obsession with her sister isn't a "girl's girl". She gets on better with men. Some women are just like that. I don't want scenes with her being friends with Sharon, Linda and especially not Honey. I think someone like Honey would annoy the hell out of a woman like Ronnie. To be honest I don't find the female friendships on Eastenders at all believable. All this "best friends" crap when they've known each other 5 minutes gets on my nerves.
Some of them work. Tanya and Jane did, and Linda and Sharon kind of works (though Sharon is constantly letting Linda down). Denise and Shabnam and Shabnam and Stacey have nice friendships though.

I can see Kathy, Denise and Carmel being decent friends though.

I've decided, we need another female lock in at the Vic. Love it when they get the women all together and let them get pissed.
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Old 03-01-2016, 00:38
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Why give Ronnie a child ??
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Old 03-01-2016, 01:27
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Some of them work. Tanya and Jane did, and Linda and Sharon kind of works (though Sharon is constantly letting Linda down). Denise and Shabnam and Shabnam and Stacey have nice friendships though.

I can see Kathy, Denise and Carmel being decent friends though.

I've decided, we need another female lock in at the Vic. Love it when they get the women all together and let them get pissed.
Shabnam and Stacey do have chemistry as characters you're right. I don't buy the friendship between Linda and Sharon though. It just seems forced and fake. The two actresses don't have good chemistry with each other. Not that I can see anyway. Carmel and Kathy might get on in the future. I like both Carmel and Kathy as characters.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:36
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I often wonder whether Ronnie has had trouble building a relationship with Matthew. She was in a coma, which meant that Ronnie was missing in those precious and important few months of a child's life. A bond is created instantly between a child and a mother. But it wasn't for Ronnie. Which I often wonder whether that was done to mirror the difficulty of when Kat had trouble bonding with Tommy when he returned to her.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:49
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There was this scene that made me want to cry at 7:14 and there was a scene of her playing in the lounge in September
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:52
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Ronnie isn't a believable mother but I want her to bond with Matthew properly.

Honey and Ronnie's friendship needs to be explored properly. They live in the same house and Honey could bring out Ronnie's softer side. I want Ronnie to have less scenes with Vincent. Vincent brings her down, in my opinion and Richard Blackwood is an atrocious "actor". No chemistry with Ronnie and Vincent.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:59
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To busy trying to murder Vincent, rescue philmor control Roxy. Honeslty Charlie should be given custody of Matthew. Ronnie does not deserve kids and he would be better off unborn or adopted then have Ronnie for a mother. I used to love Ronnir, now I just despise her.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:42
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Honey and Ronnie's friendship needs to be explored properly.
I think their relationship has potential. For all that Honey is as dim as a Toc H lamp, she does have considerable emotional intelligence. Ronnie is almost the exact opposite - she is sharp and shrewd but doesn't understand feelings and what people need.

If they became close friends, they could each make up for what the other lacks.
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Old 03-01-2016, 13:00
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She is an appalling mother given that she has lost two children and suffered a miscarriage prior to having Matthew. You would think she would dote on him and never let him out of her sight but she seems more interested,as others have said, in Vincent and of course, her main obsession, Roxy.

Maybe the fact that she was in a coma for the first few months of Matthew's life has led to a poor attachment for her but I would like to see this properly addressed instead of just ignored.

If Jack thinks he can come back and play happy families with her, good luck to him.
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Old 03-01-2016, 13:05
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Sorry if there is a thread on this, I did have a look but may have missed it

Why is Ronnie such a rubbish mother. She tried for years to be one, had a couple of children who sadly died, but now she has one she doesn't seem to give a crap about him! It just all seems a bit odd, I haven't watched in a while so if this has been explained on screen firstly I apologise and secondly can someone explain it to me please?
Great post Karen I've said much the same myself in other threads, why can't Ronnie finally be happy and be a devoted mother? It would seem that gangstering it up is her preferred lifestyle choice though I couldn't really get beyond her frightening Matthew's father off for good but then still not to be there for her son even more now that he doesn't have a father due to her and instead shoving him from pillar to post in order to threaten all kinds of dangerous people on the Square makes me just give up on her completely
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