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Celine covers Adele's 'Hello'
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my name is joe
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Gosh it's amazing that people are now holding Adele up to be the second coming of Christ. A few years ago people were calling her a poor mans Amy Winehouse.”

ever thought they might be two different groups of people?

those who thought she was a poor mans Amy W prob'ly still do. Those who think she's the second coming of Christ probably actually think she's the 3rd coming, they thought she was the second coming with 21
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
I thought she was the second coming at 19. And it was always interesting to me to talk to the UK people back in 2008 about her and many called her a chav. I"m sure most of those people still do. Hard to change people's minds. I'm American btw. Had no idea what it meant at first. White trash is how I translate it.
mgvsmith
05-01-2016
I don't see why you can't compare artists through time. Is pop music not a recorded medium primarily? Whilst there is some differences in recordings because of the processing technologies available at the time, you can compare the works of Adele, Celine, Mariah, Whitney in their primes. I've never heard any of these artists live but I know whose singing I prefer as to a great extent age doesn't come into it.
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
You can certainly compare them. It's your opinion on how they rank or who's the best. To say one can wipe the floor with another is just an opinion, and thats fine. More people tend to have the same opinion with lack of ability (TS and Katy and most of todays popstars would be, in fact, wiped on the floor).
I actually think (aside from the weird inflection thing Celine has going on), that Adele and Celine have the most similar singing styles. But overall Adele has always reminded me of Bette.
Barbra is the voice of her generation. Adele is the voice of ours.

All of the above is my opinion, but it's a fact that I'm pretty much right all of the time.
Anika Hanson
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“You can certainly compare them. It's your opinion on how they rank or who's the best. To say one can wipe the floor with another is just an opinion, and thats fine. More people tend to have the same opinion with lack of ability (TS and Katy and most of todays popstars would be, in fact, wiped on the floor).
I actually think (aside from the weird inflection thing Celine has going on), that Adele and Celine have the most similar singing styles. But overall Adele has always reminded me of Bette.
Barbra is the voice of her generation. Adele is the voice of ours.

All of the above is my opinion, but it's a fact that I'm pretty much right all of the time. ”

Well Celine is a better technical singer than Adele. Mariah, Whitney and Celine would have had no problem singing Adele's songs in their prime, in terms of hitting the notes. Where they may have struggled is conveying the same level of emotion as Adele does.
konebyvax
05-01-2016
Never got this technically better stuff. I blame x factor et all for us all suddenly becoming voice coaches.its all a little silly IMO. If you want technical perfection go listen to opera. Personally I would ratherlisten to a singer who moves me and that has nothing to do with having a whistle register, head voice or other such bollocks.
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Never got this technically better stuff. I blame x factor et all for us all suddenly becoming voice coaches.its all a little silly IMO. If you want technical perfection go listen to opera. Personally I would ratherlisten to a singer who moves me and that has nothing to do with having a whistle register, head voice or other such bollocks.”

Hear hear!!! Exactly!! If I have to read one more passage about head voice vs chest etc....Lol. I blame those F*ing shows as well. I don't care if they can sing runs like XTina. I want to be moved by music.
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
How do we know if they would have had no problem singing Adele songs in their prime? It's all speculation. Until they do it. Which they can't because they are past their prime or no longer with us. I would have personally thought that at 47 Celine would have had no problem tackling Hello. See? I was wrong. And how old is Mariah again? Not that old surely. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she couldn't tackle an Adele song right now. Based on how she's not tackling her own anymore.
Bette Midler has got to be close to 70 and still sounds amazing. And she has the right to say past her prime. The others not so much. Especially if they are "technically" better.
my name is joe
05-01-2016
i never liked those Whitney/Mariah singers, too blousy & overblown for me. I can't see any comparison between them & Adele who sings nowt like them. How would a song like Melt my heart to Stone sound with their lip wobbling syllable-extending theatrics all over it...bloody awful that's what
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
Lol! Classic.
Anika Hanson
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“How do we know if they would have had no problem singing Adele songs in their prime? It's all speculation. Until they do it. Which they can't because they are past their prime or no longer with us. I would have personally thought that at 47 Celine would have had no problem tackling Hello. See? I was wrong. And how old is Mariah again? Not that old surely. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she couldn't tackle an Adele song right now. Based on how she's not tackling her own anymore.
Bette Midler has got to be close to 70 and still sounds amazing. And she has the right to say past her prime. The others not so much. Especially if they are "technically" better.”

Of course they would have been able to sing them on a technical level. None of the notes are beyond their comfort zones. Their ranges extend far beyond what Adele displays in her songs. I'm not saying that they would have sung a better version but they wouldn't have had any problems singing the songs.
grimtales1
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by konebyvax:
“Never got this technically better stuff. I blame x factor et all for us all suddenly becoming voice coaches.its all a little silly IMO. If you want technical perfection go listen to opera. Personally I would ratherlisten to a singer who moves me and that has nothing to do with having a whistle register, head voice or other such bollocks.”

Great post, I agree!
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Of course they would have been able to sing them on a technical level. None of the notes are beyond their comfort zones. Their ranges extend far beyond what Adele displays in her songs. I'm not saying that they would have sung a better version but they wouldn't have had any problems singing the songs.”

Idk. Adele goes pretty low. Whitney and Mariah go there? Maybe. Maybe not. Would some have the restraint not to extend syllables? Not to add runs and vocal flourishes? Can they control themselves and not "Make it their own" so to speak? Hmm. Guess we will never know.
I do believe that not one of them would have brought the kind of emotion that Adele does. And over-singing does not equate showing emotion. Of course, that's just all my opinion.
Anika Hanson
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“Idk. Adele goes pretty low. Whitney and Mariah go there? Maybe. Maybe not. Would some have the restraint not to extend syllables? Not to add runs and vocal flourishes? Can they control themselves and not "Make it their own" so to speak? Hmm. Guess we will never know.
I do believe that not one of them would have brought the kind of emotion that Adele does. And over-singing does not equate showing emotion. Of course, that's just all my opinion.”

Mariah is an alto and her lowest note is an A2. I'm sure she could go as low as Adele. I'm not saying that they could convey emotions as well as Adele. I don't think they could but on a technical perspective they could sing her songs with ease. I doubt Adele's songs would have been hits for them though.
shadesofblack
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“Mariah is an alto and her lowest note is an A2. I'm sure she could go as low as Adele. I'm not saying that they could convey emotions as well as Adele. I don't think they could but on a technical perspective they could sing her songs with ease. I doubt Adele's songs would have been hits for them though.”

Im just goofing on you AH! I'm sure there are a bunch of female singers in the LA area alone who can technically hit those notes. I'm sure the best female singers in the world can hit those notes. Celine probably hit most of the notes needed for Hello at one point during that cover. It still was Vegased up and "I will be here all week" lounge bar type cover. I get your point though.
mgvsmith
05-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“Idk. Adele goes pretty low. Whitney and Mariah go there? Maybe. Maybe not. Would some have the restraint not to extend syllables? Not to add runs and vocal flourishes? Can they control themselves and not "Make it their own" so to speak? Hmm. Guess we will never know.
I do believe that not one of them would have brought the kind of emotion that Adele does. And over-singing does not equate showing emotion. Of course, that's just all my opinion.”

Does emotion not come from the music itself and the listener as much as the singer though? Demi Lovato's version of 'Hello' is on a par with Adele in technical proficiency and is just as emotional because that largely comes from the song.

Also the melisma style that Mariah and Whitney modernised was very popular in the 80s and 90s, it just isn't popular any more.
shadesofblack
06-01-2016
In a word, no. The one thing that Adele has, that so many don't, is the ability to convey emotion in her voice. Especially in the quiet moments of her songs. Not by being dramatic, or over singing dramatic lyrics. Other singers can throw their head backs and over-emote. They can grimace and sing tighter. It's not the same thing at all.
It is whats so appealing about Adele's music. Or one of them anyway.
Demis cover is how I imagine most others would be. Average, meh. Or with the current climate of popstars, probably above average. Doesnt mean it can touch Adele's. Doesn't mean it could be a hit by any other singer.
I have seen Demi live and she can sing, but thinking back to the great female singers, we have certainly lowered the bar.
mgvsmith
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“In a word, no. The one thing that Adele has, that so many don't, is the ability to convey emotion in her voice. Especially in the quiet moments of her songs. Not by being dramatic, or over singing dramatic lyrics. Other singers can throw their head backs and over-emote. They can grimace and sing tighter. It's not the same thing at all.
It is whats so appealing about Adele's music. Or one of them anyway.
Demis cover is how I imagine most others would be. Average, meh. Or with the current climate of popstars, probably above average. Doesnt mean it can touch Adele's. Doesn't mean it could be a hit by any other singer.
I have seen Demi live and she can sing, but thinking back to the great female singers, we have certainly lowered the bar.”

How much of this is simply performance? Here's Mary Chapin Carpenter doing everything you attribute to Adele, http://youtu.be/C1W_bpMXLi4 and here's Amy in flow,
http://youtu.be/aatZ9VSF7Mc, Alison Moyet, http://youtu.be/enCsADijW9w.....Kate Bush, http://youtu.be/oTvBvf24LRM
Not much grimacing in any of this....
shadesofblack
06-01-2016
I have seen Alison Moyet many times live. Love her, have for a long time. I can throw out a few singers that I believe have incredible voices, who never got the acclaim they should have. That's why they will never find another Adele. Or rather the next Adele will be nothing like Adele. It's a quality that hits on all cylinders. Its the perfect storm. Her voice, her lyrics, her music, the emotion she taps, her personality and that "one of us" charisma (or how we perceive her to be) has hit the mark. She has been chosen and put on a pedestal, elevated to Barbra status.
Btw, Adele has a much broader appeal than those you've listed. Amy was polarizing. Kate is. And I say this as a huge Amy Winehouse fan. Back To Black is still one of my favorite albums ever. Alison's music was never as good as her voice.
Just my opinion. And you can't argue Adele's huge megastar status at this point right? Is anyone still thinking otherwise?

Edit: Midnight is my favorite song with Alison as lead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOZ3XUj1jg0
mgvsmith
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by shadesofblack:
“I have seen Alison Moyet many times live. Love her, have for a long time. I can throw out a few singers that I believe have incredible voices, who never got the acclaim they should have. That's why they will never find another Adele. Or rather the next Adele will be nothing like Adele. It's a quality that hits on all cylinders. Its the perfect storm. Her voice, her lyrics, her music, the emotion she taps, her personality and that "one of us" charisma (or how we perceive her to be) has hit the mark. She has been chosen and put on a pedestal, elevated to Barbra status.
Btw, Adele has a much broader appeal than those you've listed. Amy was polarizing. Kate is. And I say this as a huge Amy Winehouse fan. Back To Black is still one of my favorite albums ever. Alison's music was never as good as her voice.
Just my opinion. And you can't argue Adele's huge megastar status at this point right? Is anyone still thinking otherwise?

Edit: Midnight is my favorite song with Alison as lead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOZ3XUj1jg0”

I'm not sure how relevant all that is. The point was you had suggested that you liked Adele's ability to express emotion through song just after you had dissed the idea that technique is important. But of course expressing emotion through song/singing is performance technique. My examples were to illustrate that.
shadesofblack
06-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“I'm not sure how relevant all that is. The point was you had suggested that you liked Adele's ability to express emotion through song just after you had dissed the idea that technique is important. But of course expressing emotion through song/singing is performance technique. My examples were to illustrate that.”

Lol. Relevant is an afterthought or a suggestion on a music forum.
Technique is important. And to clarify I never said Adele had a lack of it (and did I say that it wasn't important? Hmm. That sounds like an asshole.), I did say however, that because a singer can hit a note didn't mean they could convey emotion. Or sing a song well.
The rest was me just rambling about Adele being able to take that emotion and other variables (hence the irrelevancy) and make people give a damn on a mass scale. Unlike the others listed.
I tend to ramble.
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