Why did the West German General say to his aide "we need to try and keep General Jackson on side" and then, a few minutes later started giving Jackson shit about the new misslies as soon as he walked through the door (and continued to do so for that episode and the next)?
Deutschland '83
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Originally Posted by Neio:
“When Martin's aunt and her superior were talking about Moritz before they recruited Martin to impersonate him, they said that both his parents were dead, and he was raised by a great-aunt (presumably also dead by the time he was 24/25 at the time of his own death). No siblings were mentioned either. Possibly he had no close friends either - or at least no one who'd expect him to contact them while he was stationed in Bonn.
The American general left the briefcase in the office only after he was told by the German general that it was "the safest room on the base." (not true, as it turned out, but there you go).
I don't think the drops were 'forgetfulness drops' (is there such a thing?), just a sedative.”
“When Martin's aunt and her superior were talking about Moritz before they recruited Martin to impersonate him, they said that both his parents were dead, and he was raised by a great-aunt (presumably also dead by the time he was 24/25 at the time of his own death). No siblings were mentioned either. Possibly he had no close friends either - or at least no one who'd expect him to contact them while he was stationed in Bonn.
The American general left the briefcase in the office only after he was told by the German general that it was "the safest room on the base." (not true, as it turned out, but there you go).
I don't think the drops were 'forgetfulness drops' (is there such a thing?), just a sedative.”
Still Moritz would not have existed in a total vacuu,m. All sorts of people would have wanted to contact him from his past life.
And the point about the sedative/amnaesia drops is that it was far too convenient that the guy would just have them handy at the required time.
Originally Posted by JamieHT:
“Is the show called Deutschland 83 in Germany?”
“Is the show called Deutschland 83 in Germany?”
Yes.
The intro on RTL was completely different though, with different footage and with New Order's "Blue Monday" as the theme song instead of Peter Schilling's "Major Tom". It felt kind of sinister.
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Yes.
The intro on RTL was completely different though, with different footage and with New Order's "Blue Monday" as the theme song instead of Peter Schilling's "Major Tom". It felt kind of sinister.”
“Yes.
The intro on RTL was completely different though, with different footage and with New Order's "Blue Monday" as the theme song instead of Peter Schilling's "Major Tom". It felt kind of sinister.”
Thank you.
Originally Posted by Woodbine:
“I think it's in English subtitles, which slightly puts me off as I don't 100% focus when watching tv.”
“I think it's in English subtitles, which slightly puts me off as I don't 100% focus when watching tv.”
Then why bother watching it?
Originally Posted by Normandie:
“Thanks for the recommendation.
It looks good value on amazon. de and has English sub-titles so I might order it.”
“Thanks for the recommendation.
It looks good value on amazon. de and has English sub-titles so I might order it.”
You're welcome
And I've just read that there will be a 4th season of Weissensee, set in 1990, about the free elections in the GDR (March) and unification (October).http://www.rbb-online.de/kultur/beit...rtgesetzt.html
I think it's really good. Sure it's a bit silly in places but as has been said the acting is a pretty high standard and there is some great music included.
It's interesting to see a cold war drama from the East's perspective too.
It's interesting to see a cold war drama from the East's perspective too.
Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me who did the English subtitling for Deutschland 83 ? Maybe there's some kind of credit at the end of each episode? Are the subtitles written in British or American English?
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me who did the English subtitling for Deutschland 83 ? Maybe there's some kind of credit at the end of each episode? Are the subtitles written in British or American English?”
“Out of curiosity, can anyone tell me who did the English subtitling for Deutschland 83 ? Maybe there's some kind of credit at the end of each episode? Are the subtitles written in British or American English?”
No indication as to who is responsible for subtitles in credits. British English is utilised for subtitles......Stamm is quoted as loving football in episode `1. No mention is made of the American equivalent i.e. "soccer".
Originally Posted by KarlHyde:
“And of course there's the ever-popular "Communist Era Television" thread here on Digitalspy.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...635294&page=12”
“And of course there's the ever-popular "Communist Era Television" thread here on Digitalspy.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...635294&page=12”
I used to regularly tune in to Radio Berlin International on short wave. A veritable hotbed of anti-west Communist propaganda which made refreshing listening!
Originally Posted by Patrick_Hadley:
“I agree that the Smiley stories were closer to reality, after all John LeCarre was himself a spy in Europe for years.
However all the "adventure" spy stories need a lot of artistic licence to make them exciting - and I suspect that I would not enjoy them as much if they stuck closely to the truth.
I also like The Americans, and surely that has a great deal more far-fetched elements than D83. To my mind both have just enough contact with reality to make them worth watching.”
“I agree that the Smiley stories were closer to reality, after all John LeCarre was himself a spy in Europe for years.
However all the "adventure" spy stories need a lot of artistic licence to make them exciting - and I suspect that I would not enjoy them as much if they stuck closely to the truth.
I also like The Americans, and surely that has a great deal more far-fetched elements than D83. To my mind both have just enough contact with reality to make them worth watching.”
Alec Guinness played Smiley brilliantly, but then Guinness always was a superb actor. I liked the part he played in "The Quiller Memorandum" from 1966. Here he meets Quiller at the Berlin Olympic Stadium.
Brilliantly portrayed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJcjqz4LR6M
Subtitling is a real art. Whoever subtitles Spiral is brilliant. I don't know any German, but some of the English idiom here was a bit clunky.
And it used too many words. The beauty of subtitled drama is you have to keep your eyes on the screen to follow the dialogue, so you can't allow yourself to be distracted from the action. But put too many words up and you have to concentrate on them at the expense of following the action, while not being able to understand the speech. It turns a win-win into a lose-lose.
And it used too many words. The beauty of subtitled drama is you have to keep your eyes on the screen to follow the dialogue, so you can't allow yourself to be distracted from the action. But put too many words up and you have to concentrate on them at the expense of following the action, while not being able to understand the speech. It turns a win-win into a lose-lose.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I used to regularly tune in to Radio Berlin International on short wave. ]”
“I used to regularly tune in to Radio Berlin International on short wave. ]”
Wasn't that called "DXing" or "DZing", back when radios allowed human intervention ...
Originally Posted by Dirty Rooster:
“Wasn't that called "DXing" or "DZing", back when radios allowed human intervention ...”
“Wasn't that called "DXing" or "DZing", back when radios allowed human intervention ...”
No, you are thinking of SSB CB.
RBI was transmitted from the DDR on short wave (HF) and MW until it's closure in 1990 just before reunification with the final words "good bye and good luck".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_..._International
I'm finding I enjoy the trailers for the show more than the show! The 'Two Tribes' music, the Ronnie Reagan soundtrack etc takes me back to the 80's with style.
Just enjoy the drama as a social and cultural piece, a young man's journey of discovery in a strange, enticing new world. The closing scene of the last episode proved that.
Stop getting entangled in the boring spy thriller weeds, it is not a spy thriller really.
Stop getting entangled in the boring spy thriller weeds, it is not a spy thriller really.
DX-ing was the hobby of listening to shortwave radio and reporting back to a station that you'd heard it. You'd need to state the time, frequency and content and they'd send back a card, which DX-ers could collect. I imagine the web killed it long ago.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.
Originally Posted by Surf's Up:
“DX-ing was the hobby of listening to shortwave radio and reporting back to a station that you'd heard it. You'd need to state the time, frequency and content and they'd send back a card, which DX-ers could collect. I imagine the web killed it long ago.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.”
“DX-ing was the hobby of listening to shortwave radio and reporting back to a station that you'd heard it. You'd need to state the time, frequency and content and they'd send back a card, which DX-ers could collect. I imagine the web killed it long ago.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.”
I still have some postcards from the 1970s. Some communist stations used to post shed loads of propaganda, newspapers, and so on.
Originally Posted by Surf's Up:
“Subtitling is a real art. Whoever subtitles Spiral is brilliant. I don't know any German, but some of the English idiom here was a bit clunky.
And it used too many words. The beauty of subtitled drama is you have to keep your eyes on the screen to follow the dialogue, so you can't allow yourself to be distracted from the action. But put too many words up and you have to concentrate on them at the expense of following the action, while not being able to understand the speech. It turns a win-win into a lose-lose.”
“Subtitling is a real art. Whoever subtitles Spiral is brilliant. I don't know any German, but some of the English idiom here was a bit clunky.
And it used too many words. The beauty of subtitled drama is you have to keep your eyes on the screen to follow the dialogue, so you can't allow yourself to be distracted from the action. But put too many words up and you have to concentrate on them at the expense of following the action, while not being able to understand the speech. It turns a win-win into a lose-lose.”
Thanks for pointing that out.
I'm a professional subtitler/translator myself (from English to German), and my colleagues and I always try to convince customers of letting us do the job properly. Precise spotting and a condensed yet adequate translation aren't always easy to achieve. It takes some time to get this right, and you sometimes need to discuss the first draft with lectors and customers. The problem is: Working conditions are deterioratinng, and our fees are dwindling down. Broadcasters and streaming platforms are having more and more material subtitled but a lot of them aren't prepared to pay appropriate fees.
Originally Posted by Surf's Up:
“DX-ing was the hobby of listening to shortwave radio and reporting back to a station that you'd heard it. You'd need to state the time, frequency and content and they'd send back a card, which DX-ers could collect. I imagine the web killed it long ago.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.”
“DX-ing was the hobby of listening to shortwave radio and reporting back to a station that you'd heard it. You'd need to state the time, frequency and content and they'd send back a card, which DX-ers could collect. I imagine the web killed it long ago.
It was a way for stations to establish the reach of their signals, as well as the obvious thing of establishing a relationship between country X and individuals in country Y. Radio Netherlands for one had a weekly DX programme as a sort of clearing house for information about what was on the airwaves.”
Yep that's true. One of my senior moments in the previous post!
Obviously i wasn't fully 'tuned in' last night as i used to send reception reports myself and even have a few from RBI!
Reading this thread, particularly the posts from people with experience of East Germany, is proving more interesting than the show, which seems pretty amateurish to me.
Originally Posted by Mr Cellophane:
“Reading this thread, particularly the posts from people with experience of East Germany, is proving more interesting than the show, which seems pretty amateurish to me.”
“Reading this thread, particularly the posts from people with experience of East Germany, is proving more interesting than the show, which seems pretty amateurish to me.”
It's a drama series so purely entertainment value and little else. It might have been better had they based it on real life as a drama-doc and there are numerous fascinating accounts of life in the East which could have been used.
Best episode yet tonight I thought. Surprised not to see this thread active - have people lost interest?
Originally Posted by RIPYorkshireTV:
“Best episode yet tonight I thought. Surprised not to see this thread active - have people lost interest?”
“Best episode yet tonight I thought. Surprised not to see this thread active - have people lost interest?”
I was wondering the same. I haven't lost interest and enjoyed tonight too, although I got a bit lost in places so may need to watch again on All4.
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