I will not be watching CBB not because of Kristina just that the show does not appeal to me personally, just for the record I was watching a Channel 5 countdown of The Most Shocking Celebrity Moments of 2015 and CBB appeared several times, Strictly was in the Countdown for the fixing though and Bruno's swearing. X Factor appeared for Cheryl being out done by Rita Ora in the fashion stakes on the judging pannel and also for all of the things that happened to Simon on way or another.

It takes two to tango - where is the blame for him in this? Also I don't think many marriages break up if they weren't healthy to begin with - either the person who strayed was probably someone who had problems staying faithful anyway or the marriage was already in trouble - I think the amount of times when an otherwise happy spouse is lured away by a Don Juan or a siren are probably pretty few and far between.

Exactly.
Both equally to blame. Him for breaking his vows, her for shagging a married man.

I live in the real world. Do you think then that a couple should just remain together if one of them falls out of love with the other?

I think the more worrying thing for her might be what happens in there and how it impacts on her profile. It's not a place that does too many people a favour. I don't think it did James any favours whether viewers knew him beforehand or not.

People fall in and out of love all the time. Emotions go up and down all the time. One of the facets of being an adult is that you don't act automatically on your emotions.
At best they can be used as an excuse, but never a reason.
Commitment is the word here.

You may think you live in the real world, I think you live in a simplistic world where everything is disposable because you can't be arsed to make an effort. Sad sign of the times unfortunately.

Of course no-one should stay in a marriage forever if they are deeply unhappy but you, and others, have conveniently forgotten that not many months before Ben and Kristina just so happened to suddenly "fall in love", he was banging on about deeply happy he was with his wife. Rather a lot of cherry picking of "facts" from the Kristina/Ben fanbase.

To be honest no one comes out that whole Ben and Kristina thing looking very good. His ex wife seems like an embittered nutjob, and let's not get started on the intefering mother in law who he accused of harassment (and she in the turn reported him and Kristina for the same thing). They don't sound a normally functioning family to me. Not surprising he wanted out, not that I condone cheating.

What an amazing talent you have, to be able to come up with that judgement of me all from a just a couple of posts on a forum. Well I say talent, but it's actually you just being incredibly judgemental of me without knowing two hoots about anything to do with me whatsoever. Just like you're doing with Ben/Kristina...coming to conclusions without knowing full facts.


Nobody has "conveniently forgotten" anything, people are just not so quick to judge and come to a negative conclusion as you are. Other people realise that there are two sides to every story. Also, when there's actually no proof whatsoever of any affair, any cheating or any wrong doing, it makes it a bit ridiculous to read people criticising two other people so much. A man has fallen for another woman and so left his wife. Horrible for his wife of course, but it would be even more horrible if he was to stay with her just for the sake of it when he's actually in love with another woman. As for this "Kristina/Ben fanbase" comment that you keep making, I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm not a fan of them at all...in fact the most recent series of Strictly is pretty much the only one I've ever watched.

No need to take my criticism of Kristina and Ben so personally. It's just my view that marriage vows actually mean something and you don't just dump your partner because you fancy someone else. I'm as entitled to that view as anyone else is entitled to the view that marriage vows mean bugger all.

I'd take issue with the wife being bitter nutjob, although I agree she probably is very bitter. She probably had months of being told it was all in her imagination that nothing was going on and being made to feel paranoid. She IS and will remain the innocent party. I agree not point in staying if you are unhappy but there are ways to avoid an affair and many do and a lot don't.

As for the mil, I imagine seeing her child in such emotional pain made her want to wipe the smug smile off his face.

Fair enough Ben and Kristina had their cake and will eat it for a while but please don't blame the wife and her family for the affair, that is just not fair.

Then last year was Trent, Tristan and Joanne.

Also, Joanne is already there. So, unless Natalie also leaves (which I think would be completely her decision maybe to start a family?) they would only need to bring two female pros as long as the numbers for male celes are coming.

And also, the year that Aliona first appeared on Strictly, two other female pros were also introduced, Natalie and Katya.
So three new ones its pretty normal.

That is one of the worst trends in this whole thing - the number of people willing to throw mud st the actual injured party in order to try and justify what happened. It's pretty disgusting.

If you support Ben & Kristina, great - but if you can't do it without maligning the person who was actually blameless, then there's maybe a problem there.

Well said.

I also find the "falling for" expression rather childish and, again, simplistic. I think people confuse infatuation and sexual desire with love and commitment (not that commitment seems to matter if the posts on here are to be believed!)

Quite. I wonder sometimes if the horrors that are the "Strictly Girls" are posters on this forum. They tweeted Abbey Cohen telling her to "get a life" (charming) and the saintly Kristina not only didn't distance herself from such comments but carried on re-tweeting their ghastly comments. Yuck.

I didn't take your criticism of Ben and Kristina personally. What I took personally was the bit where you came to the conclusion that I live in a "simplistic world where everything is disposable because you can't be arsed to make an effort"...a conclusion which you came to from reading two posts by me on a forum.

Of course you're entitled to your view of this whole drama, as are we all. However you're criticising Ben/Kristina when there's no proof of any affair/cheating.

But it's okay for you to tell others you live in the "real world" and, ergo, anyone who disagrees with you lives in an unrealistic world?! Works both ways.

Not really, as apparently the problems between Ben and his mother in law go back way before the Kristina affair. Sounds like a massive busy body, the mother in law from hell basically.

Everyone is entitled to their view of course, but the difference between my opinion and yours is that I'm not dishing out things where there's no proof, whereas you've concluded that Ben/Kristina are completely in the wrong when there is no proof to suggest that they are. You've hung, drawn and quartered them, whereas I'm not too keen on doing that to two people when there's no proof that they've done what they're being accused of.

There is certainly some history there. There was a Twitter using who was hounding the mother, Polly someone or other. Polly stopped tweeting suddenly but the mother kept trying to wind her up! All very odd.

That's a rather melodramatic interpretation of my posts. I simply said marriage vows, in my view, actually matter and you don't just dump someone because someone else comes along because you've "fallen for them". Yes of course if a marriage is desperately unhappy then there's no point carrying on but, as I have said, the marriage was, according to Ben, pretty damn wonderful whilst he was on Strictly.

I really like Kristina so will be sad to see her go (For the record I will be there tomorrow evening to cheer her on )

If she's going in thinking people will see the 'real' Kristina she'll be disappointed. The producers want exciting telly and they will edit ruthlessly.

Will you

It depends which three they are! Ola & Kristina have probably been the most well-known female pro dancers to casual fans of the show for years, and Aliona has had loads of media attention in recent months. I'd say those three, along with Brendan, Anton and perhaps Kevin and Gleb, are the most well known and recognisable dancers to people who don't consider themselves huge fans of the programme.

Natalie Lowe, as lovely and talented as she is, doesn't seem that known outside of fans like on here - mainly because she hasn't had many memorable partners and doesn't do much outside of SCD to promote herself. I bet if you asked 10 people on the street to name 3 pro dancers from Strictly none of them would name Natalie, whereas most who knew any would probably say at least one of Ola & Kristina.