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Am I the only one that doesn't think Winston has been that bad ??!
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MsBehaviour
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“BB want their moneys worth out of winston. As soon as they knew he was up for eviction, and dead cert he is a gonna, they scheduled this game up for its bombshell reveal and ensuing arguments and entertainment therein. Seemingly all provided for them by angie. But i guess Bots will milk it to death tonight as well.”

£60,000 for 3 days work.....not bad (nearly as much as my pension paid out after 25 years!)

At least it exposed his offensive views to the public and let them express their disgust.
BeeBumble
08-01-2016
Poor poor Winston not being allowed to express his harmful views in peace. Why won't people let him be offended by things that don't affect him and why won't other people stop being offended that does affect them. Why can't poor Winston not be able to use his freedom of speech to express his opinion whilst everyone shuts up about their opinion.

I mean I know there are gay people being thrown off buildings right now but why can't we focus on the real issue that people challenge poor Winston on his opinions.
Bowdon
08-01-2016
This was a setup. Big Brother chose to make it an issue. What's ironic is that the John Partridge handled the situation well. It was the PC rent-a-mob being offended on other peoples behalf that acted like a bully. To beat down someone else to make themselves feel good.

I'm not even going to say that people are entitled to their views on anything. Because thats an obvious statement. I think the more sinister part today was that big brother chose to purposely incite a rabble.
welshfoxy
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Like I said people can't have an opinion on other people's sexuality and whether they agree or disagree with it. It's not up for debate. People are born gay or straight.”

I think Winston made it clear in what he said and his actions he had no issue whatsoever with that. He was hardly unfriendly towards the gay people in the house, was he? And you can't put on an act in such circumstances really, even for a few days.

His issue was gay people bringing up children. Now if you said to me do I want to ban this, I would say no. No idea what Winston would say. The way he phrased it was terrible as it provokes thoughts of the worst kind of child abuse, but outside of this phrasing is he allowed to hold the view? Is it fair on a child to be brought up by people of the same gender? That isn't to do with the relationship status of the two people, it's the biological facts of humanity. People will always bang on about single parents and kids not having a father or mother role model, but then it's totally fair on a child because two gay people want to have a child? In a perfect world of course I'd love everyone to be happy and for everything to be perfect; but as things are I wish people bothered to actuall discuss things rather than simply shout down anyone who may have a different view on things (even if they themselves may have gay friends etc!), or may even be convinced by the arguments eventually. No let's all just get into a mob and run the witch out of town. Ironically people with this kind of mentality may well have had views similar to Winston, only far worse, when it was acceptable to have such views.
Alrightmate
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“It is the guy's opinion...I do not agree with his views...but the guy has been really set up by Channel 5.

Emma is acting as though she is Judge and Juror...and wait until BBBOTS when he will have Rylan on his high horse as well.

Like I said I do not agree with him...but Channel 5 are really no better.”

I agree. If Emma says it's unacceptable to express or hold that view, then why did BB put Winston into the house as a contestant.
I mean, it's either unacceptable or it isn't.

It was obviously acceptable enough to pay Winston to go into the house and then dredge up his quote from last year and use it for salacious tacky entertainment now wasn't it?
Alrightmate
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by MsBehaviour:
“£60,000 for 3 days work.....not bad (nearly as much as my pension paid out after 25 years!)

At least it exposed his offensive views to the public and let them express their disgust.”

Then isn't it BB who are to blame for dredging it up?

Winston apparently made that quote to a reporter last year. If it was unacceptable then why are BB bringing it up again?

Is this the business BB are into now, witch-hunting people who are borderline celebrities who they view as bad people because they don't share a popular belief?

Would we have been made aware of anything to do with this if it wasn't for BB?
Maxine_Roch
08-01-2016
Well just to be clear I made this post earlier regarding his sleazy antics not his opinion on Gay people adopting which I strongly disagree with .
Alrightmate
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“I think Winston made it clear in what he said and his actions he had no issue whatsoever with that. He was hardly unfriendly towards the gay people in the house, was he? And you can't put on an act in such circumstances really, even for a few days.

His issue was gay people bringing up children. Now if you said to me do I want to ban this, I would say no. No idea what Winston would say. The way he phrased it was terrible as it provokes thoughts of the worst kind of child abuse, but outside of this phrasing is he allowed to hold the view? Is it fair on a child to be brought up by people of the same gender? That isn't to do with the relationship status of the two people, it's the biological facts of humanity. People will always bang on about single parents and kids not having a father or mother role model, but then it's totally fair on a child because two gay people want to have a child? In a perfect world of course I'd love everyone to be happy and for everything to be perfect; but as things are I wish people bothered to actuall discuss things rather than simply shout down anyone who may have a different view on things (even if they themselves may have gay friends etc!), or may even be convinced by the arguments eventually. No let's all just get into a mob and run the witch out of town. Ironically people with this kind of mentality may well have had views similar to Winston, only far worse, when it was acceptable to have such views.”

That's how I see it. I don't see why it is an unacceptable point of view to hold if same sex parenting is a very recent thing to the general population.
It doesn't necessarily mean that somebody is homophobic if they have concerns about it.
Winston himself said that he wasn't about stopping anybody if they want to raise a child in a same-sex family, as it's a democracy, just that he doesn't believe in it.
Which is understandable when you consider the amount of times it is equally said that it's beneficial for a child to have a mother and a father, and how many decades now have single mothers and absent fathers been the scapegoats of the media for one of them not being around and it being harmful to the development of the child?

I think that the research which has been done on the subject so far indicates that having two parents of the same sex has not proven with any hard evidence to be any more detrimental than having a mother and a father.

I understand that a homophobe will say that it's wrong no matter what, and maybe non-homophobes may have misguided views about what is right for the child or not. But as it's something which is relatively new to the public, only becoming legal in Europe since 2008, I don't think it's unacceptable to hold the belief that you think it's wrong. It's just an opinion which can be questioned like many other things.
If somebody says that it's wrong, then you just point them to some research which challenges their opinion. You educate them, try to illuminate their worldview like an reasonable, intelligent person.
You don't start scapegoating an individual and creating a witch hunt against somebody for the sake of some trashy entertainment show which is about painting people as 'baddies'.
welshfoxy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“That's how I see it. I don't see why it is an unacceptable point of view to hold if same sex parenting is a very recent thing to the general population.
It doesn't necessarily mean that somebody is homophobic if they have concerns about it.
Winston himself said that he wasn't about stopping anybody if they want to raise a child in a same-sex family, as it's a democracy, just that he doesn't believe in it.
Which is understandable when you consider the amount of times it is equally said that it's beneficial for a child to have a mother and a father, and how many decades now have single mothers and absent fathers been the scapegoats of the media for one of them not being around and it being harmful to the development of the child?

I think that the research which has been done on the subject so far indicates that having two parents of the same sex has not proven with any hard evidence to be any more detrimental than having a mother and a father.

I understand that a homophobe will say that it's wrong no matter what, and maybe non-homophobes may have misguided views about what is right for the child or not. But as it's something which is relatively new to the public, only becoming legal in Europe since 2008, I don't think it's unacceptable to hold the belief that you think it's wrong. It's just an opinion which can be questioned like many other things.
If somebody says that it's wrong, then you just point them to some research which challenges their opinion. You educate them, try to illuminate their worldview like an reasonable, intelligent person.
You don't start scapegoating an individual and creating a witch hunt against somebody for the sake of some trashy entertainment show which is about painting people as 'baddies'.”

Thanks for the reply and I agree.
simi1234
10-01-2016
are people not allowed to have opinions anymore. i dont agree with what he said but big brother set him up. he is a christian and the bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong he is saying what he believes. this country likes to bash anyone with a belief that goes against the norm
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