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Doggyphant
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Big_Sinky:
“you're all missing the point, if a religious muslim was in the house, would big brother use one of their debatable beliefs as part of a game?”

If they were a Muslim politician, then yes they would and they'd be right to do so.
lightblues
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Macksy:
“Not a chance - Christians are the go to religion for sneering at and belittling.”

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You know that's true, C'mon BB try that stunt with a Muslim and see how it goes
trevor tiger
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Macksy:
“No one can seriously believe that....”

Why can't you believe it? We've already had Ahmed who was a Muslim way back in BB5 who was allowed to make a fool of himself talking about his homophobia, however even he didn't go as far as the awful and obnoxious Winston.
Sasparella
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by brittanywattsBB:
“i dont not agree with him at all however! i went to a christian school where the majority had these views becasue of the way they had been brought up. i would of saved Winston only because he needed being brother more he needed an education to change his homophobic views shouting and screaming at him aint gonna change anything it may make him keep quiet but he will still have homophobic thoughts. We do the same with racism making people scared mute. I really feel for him because if we had the same childhood teaching as him we would most likely have the same thoughts”

Really ? I was brought up as a Christian, but as an adult I have my own mind, and I don't believe in a book that says this world was created just over 2000 years ago when there is plenty of evidence to disprove this, nor do I believe in a cult that insists on forcing their ideas down everyone else's throats, and telling them that they will go to hell if they don't fit in. I abhor any form of religion because I believe it causes more trouble than anything. So, I don't care what anyone's religion is, if they say obnoxious things, then basically I'm not going to like them much.
PercyBysshe
08-01-2016
It's like I Am Legend. Winston is Robert Neville.
sorcha_healy27
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Zadeth:
“Ah, the classic 'religious people don't think for themselves and are sheeple' line. ”

Well If they use the bible to reinforce their views then they're not thinking for themselves
trevor tiger
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“You pretty much said they've got it wrong on their interpretation of the sexual act of homsexuality being forbidden and i'm saying no way would that amount of people all be wrong and over centuries too.”

No I didn't. I said that the Bible was written by people who interpreted God's word and more recently leaders in religion have reinterpreted it so if anyone said they got it wrong, they have themselves. I would very much disagree with the idea that a view cannot be wrong because of the amount of people who hold that view and particularly where religion is concerned because those people are just literally followers of whatever they are told.
tabithakitten
08-01-2016
Ah, the Bible. Aka the book of contradictions.

You read something on one page, turn to a different page and find a statement that appears to say the complete opposite.

The person stating that "Christians pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow" wasn't necessarily making a sweeping generalisation but merely stating a fact. That is because it's not possible to follow every part of the Bible and not tie yourself in knots due to the sheer volume of contradictory messages.

It is possible to be a Christian and still be a tolerant individual. You just need to realise that the world has moved on and, as others have said, a book, purported to be the words of God thousands of years ago may not actually be completely relevant in today's world. That's not sacrilegious, that's common sense.
Styker
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“Really ? I was brought up as a Christian, but as an adult I have my own mind, and I don't believe in a book that says this world was created just over 2000 years ago when there is plenty of evidence to disprove this, nor do I believe in a cult that insists on forcing their ideas down everyone else's throats, and telling them that they will go to hell if they don't fit in. I abhor any form of religion because I believe it causes more trouble than anything. So, I don't care what anyone's religion is, if they say obnoxious things, then basically I'm not going to like them much.”

Well that's you but there are billions of other people who do genuinely believe in their religions and do believe they will be answering to god and god's angels immediately after they die, so for them, they have no choice but to try and follow their faiths as best as they can.
Styker
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Ah, the Bible. Aka the book of contradictions.

You read something on one page, turn to a different page and find a statement that appears to say the complete opposite.

The person stating that "Christians pick and choose what parts of the Bible to follow" wasn't necessarily making a sweeping generalisation but merely stating a fact. That is because it's not possible to follow every part of the Bible and not tie yourself in knots due to the sheer volume of contradictory messages.

It is possible to be a Christian and still be a tolerant individual. You just need to realise that the world has moved on and, as others have said, a book, purported to be the words of God thousands of years ago may not actually be completely relevant in today's world. That's not sacrilegious, that's common sense.”

Such as? Have you heard of the expression, read between the lines? Somethings will counter/supercede others, its a matter of working it out.
Derbyshire.
08-01-2016
Any adult backwards and stupid enough to still have an imaginary friend who lives in the sky in this day and age should be booed and laughed at. Especially when they try and use them to excuse their crappy behaviour.
trevor tiger
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Well that's you but there are billions of other people who do genuinely believe in their religions and do believe they will be answering to god and god's angels immediately after they die, so for them, they have no choice but to try and follow their faiths as best as they can.”

A good place to start would be Luke 6:31 'Do to others as you would have them do to you' If Winston and his ilk followed this then maybe they wouldn't be so cruel and callous to others
lea27
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Such as? Have you heard of the expression, read between the lines? Somethings will counter/supercede others, its a matter of working it out.”

So the Bible isn't to be taken literally and is up for interpretation by the reader?
Wainy84
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by lea27:
“So the Bible isn't to be taken literally and is up for interpretation by the reader?”

There truths and lies in most bibles so I've been told.
Bagshot85
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dave_62:
“Spot on.

Amir Khan has been interviewed a lot of time but has he ever been asked about homosexuality in terms of his faith?

See christian = get christian to say crazy shit.”

Has Amir Khan ever made comments about gay people?
Styker
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“A good place to start would be Luke 6:31 'Do to others as you would have them do to you' If Winston and his ilk followed this then maybe they wouldn't be so cruel and callous to others ”

I once watched a documentary on the versus of the qur'an that get twisted the most by terrorists, one verse I remember said something like "Drive those out that have driven you out of your homes/land" (that's the bit the terrorists stick to) but then the rest of the verse went onto say..."but do not be an aggressor for god sure does not like an aggressor". That to me sounds like its the same as self defence laws.

On your example, it probably means within the limits of other religious rules. Again (if they want to) people would need to read it all and work out which things supercede the rest but one thing they can't do is re-write the religion(s). To do so would make a mockery of believing in God and God's rules.
tabithakitten
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Such as? Have you heard of the expression, read between the lines? Somethings will counter/supercede others, its a matter of working it out.”

And some things are obviously outdated garbage - it's just a matter of working that out too.
daisiesfan
09-01-2016
Religious beliefs? Seriously? Please tell me which part of the bible says that gay couples adopting is like child abuse? If people want to be homophobic good luck to them but have the balls to own their ignorance Instead of hiding behind a book.
Marianne_321
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by revolver44:
“What a ridiculous and blanket statement. Not every Christian shares his opinions. The same way not every Muslim shares the opinions of ISIS. Grow up”

Well said!!!
bbnutnut
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I once watched a documentary on the versus of the qur'an that get twisted the most by terrorists, one verse I remember said something like "Drive those out that have driven you out of your homes/land" (that's the bit the terrorists stick to) but then the rest of the verse went onto say..."but do not be an agressor for god sure does like an agressor". That to me sounds like its the same as self defence laws.

On your example, it probably means within the limits of other religious rules. Again (if they want to) people would need to read it all and work out which things supercede the rest but one thing they can't do is re-write the religion(s). To do so would make a mockery of believing in God and God's rules.”

God likes an aggressor? Should there be a not in there?
Styker
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“And some things are obviously outdated garbage - it's just a matter of working that out too.”

To you it might be and I suspect you are trying to bait a bit there too!
Styker
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by bbnutnut:
“God likes an aggressor? Should there be a not in there?”

Corrected, the first part did say do not but my computer keeps on running slow late at night and what I type in does not always end up getting posted.
trevor tiger
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I once watched a documentary on the versus of the qur'an that get twisted the most by terrorists, one verse I remember said something like "Drive those out that have driven you out of your homes/land" (that's the bit the terrorists stick to) but then the rest of the verse went onto say..."but do not be an aggressor for god sure does not like an aggressor". That to me sounds like its the same as self defence laws.

On your example, it probably means within the limits of other religious rules. Again (if they want to) people would need to read it all and work out which things supercede the rest but one thing they can't do is re-write the religion(s). To do so would make a mockery of believing in God and God's rules.”

What is the difference between re-writing and interpreting and reading between the lines

It seems to me that the truest thing that has been said on here is that Christians pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow. I'll only add that it follows in all religions .
Styker
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“What is the difference between re-writing and interpreting and reading between the lines

It seems to me that the truest thing that has been said on here is that Christians pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow. I'll only add that it follows in all religions .”

People who re-write religion are obviously changing a rule they know is part of the religion but they think they can re-write it and they can't under the rules of religion.

Interpretating/reading between the lines is just that. One reads the rules and works out what supercedes what. I already gave you one example in what islam says about when people have had their homes/land invaded and what they can do/can't do.

In civil law, the rules of self defence say that people can reasonably defend themselves to the extent/limit to the force they are facing so that means if someone is coming at you with a knife, one could probably use something just as lethal back to defend themselves with. If a person is being burgelled and they have managed to aprehend the burglar but then decide to give them a good kicking on top of the apprehension, then they run the risk of getting prosecuted for the assualt. Its not that hard to work out what the right balance on rules are.
maidinscotland
09-01-2016
He is entitled to his opinions and he has said himself that he doesn't hate the person but he has a problem with the lifestyle..........that is fine and is his right. However, to liken it to child abuse? THAT is why he was being booed and that is what people have a problem with and rightly so!
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