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Channel 5 made sure winston was destroyed tonight!
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JordanP
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“FFS it's not bullying for someone's views to be challenged or even attacked.”

People here saying he should be entitled to express his views while slamming Emma for expressing hers. Double standards.
Fanntastik
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by JordanP:
“People here saying he should be entitled to express his views while slamming Emma for expressing hers. Double standards.”

Exactly! I wish people understood free speech is a two-way street.

If you have the right to express a view, I have the right to attack that view. And you have the right to attack mine.
Sun Tzu.
08-01-2016
Would have been interesting if it was a Muslim would it have been the same reaction.
CarlLewis
08-01-2016
Yes, his views should be challenged, but Ch5 should not have set things up the way they did.
JordanP
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“Yes, his views should be challenged, but Ch5 should not have set things up the way they did.”

That's fair enough. I just don't understand all the hate towards Emma Willis.
yogacats
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“Yes, people every right to ridicule, confront or dislike him for those views. Why should Winston's "religious views" prevent him from this?

Also, no one forced Winston to join Big Brother. He did it of his own free will, and he can't cry 'victim' when he comes off looking badly. And given his track record in Politics, he should be pretty used to coming off badly in votes.”

I haven't seen him doing that to be fair.
yogacats
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by marshey:
“It is not CBB or BOTS role to judge people per se, only on their conduct in the house!”


EXACTLY - eloquently put, in a nutshell.
JordanP
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“EXACTLY - eloquently put, in a nutshell. ”

Channel 5 decide what their own role is, not you or any internet warrior.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“Yes, his views should be challenged, but Ch5 should not have set things up the way they did.”

I agree. I do think if conversations and views were allowed to be expressed without 'manipulation' there may well have been conversations in the house that would have challenged his views. I think he's led a life surrounded by people who think the same narrow minded way he does. He is poorly educated. Maybe if they were permitted to 'get along' without manipulation things would be different.

I'll bet that he would have come out of that house with some very different views to those that he went in with.
sorcha_healy27
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Macksy:
“Agree, it was low and the man didn't deserve such disgusting bear baiting.
Nowadays believing in the bible gets you labelled homophobic regardless of how at pains
Winston explained he didn't hate anyone.
The way the rest of them twisted what he said and not one putting their head above the parapet wasn't surprising, it's the same culture as schoolyard bullying as far as I'm concerned.
Winston is a bigger man than anyone on BB tonight.”

Saying gay parents having children is child abuse is utter homophobia
noodkleopatra
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“I haven't seen him doing that to be fair.”

Give it time...

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Saying gay parents having children is child abuse is utter homophobia”

Exactly. Imagine saying, "I think black people are unfit parents" and then claiming your not a racist "because you don't hate anybody" and are a "Christian".
Vicky.
08-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I think it was completely unnecessary.

They set him up - and then stuck the boot in.

I detest his homophobia and slimey behaviour but that palaver was all wrong.”

This.
evangeline007
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Big_Sinky:
“BB was an absolute disgrace tonight”

Yes they were and why send Winston in after his VT? Why did Endemol not stop him there and then? Finally I would like to know about the "spanner in the works" tonight, Who were the public votes in favour of? I sense they once again manipulated the public and changed the housemates final decision to ensure Winston left. I also suspect if left to public votes and money to decide.... Nancy was going. If this is so then BB is a farce and devoid of intelligence and truth.
spaceygal
09-01-2016
I can't watch TV at the moment. What happened exactly? I see he's been evicted but what was it that BB did exactly, I'm confused?
JordanP
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by evangeline007:
“Yes they were and why send Winston in after his VT? Why did Endemol not stop him there and then? Finally I would like to know about the "spanner in the works" tonight, Who were the public votes in favour of? I sense they once again manipulated the public and changed the housemates final decision to ensure Winston left. I also suspect if left to public votes and money to decide.... Nancy was going. If this is so then BB is a farce and devoid of intelligence and truth.”

I'm sorry but on what planet was Nancy going... They announced the twist as the vote opened, therefore it's impossible it was rigged that way. They may have had an agenda to get Winston out but it was from the very beginning, not because he was loosing the vote.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
There is no bullying going on at all
Makson
09-01-2016
I wonder what is BB's criteria when deciding on what comments to use for each contestant in those games?!
Some of them were just pure dumb like the six boobjobs and 3 hair transplants, and then you have Winston's
simy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I agree. I do think if conversations and views were allowed to be expressed without 'manipulation' there may well have been conversations in the house that would have challenged his views. I think he's led a life surrounded by people who think the same narrow minded way he does. He is poorly educated. Maybe if they were permitted to 'get along' without manipulation things would be different.

I'll bet that he would have come out of that house with some very different views to those that he went in with.”

Probably one of the most sensible posts on the forum recently.
A conversation may well have developed naturally in the house about his views. He may have stood his ground initially, but through reasoned debate and explanation, he may have seen another side. He may even have come to accept that he might be wrong. But to set him up from the start and humiliate him and then kick him out, he will definitely retain his views, and they will become more entrenched in his mind.

Producers don't care, it's another controversy and BB becomes a talking point on meaningless internet forums like this, ratings go up. another series is commissioned and the cycle continues.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
There are probably quite a few people out there who agree with his views but nowadays are too scared to admit it. If a person has been raised and schooled by deeply religious parents, teachers & elders who think it is a sin against God then I can understand why they have those beliefs. I watched the film Magdalena and really felt for those convent girls.
EnricoIV
09-01-2016
I thought the "treatment" he got by the network, by the audience, by most of his housemates, was despicable. I don't at all agree with his beliefs. But why is he not allowed to have differing opinions than others? Does he have to believe what they all do in order to not be treated awfully.

I mean, several of the other "secrets" about people I thought were equally as horrifying. The fact that Scotty is a such a slut, and a proud one, at that, I think is disgusting. Having multiple plastic surgeries is disgusting. Spending £2000 weekly on drugs is disgusting. As are Winston's views on homosexuals.

But why was he the only one to get condemnation?
evangeline007
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by JordanP:
“I'm sorry but on what planet was Nancy going... They announced the twist as the vote opened, therefore it's impossible it was rigged that way. They may have had an agenda to get Winston out but it was from the very beginning, not because he was loosing the vote.”

I do not know but it should have been left to the public. Why waste money when the housemates were going to make the decision, they did not tell us that. I wonder if the votes were in favour of Winston remaining and this was why they manipulated events.
John_Lochery
09-01-2016
good. hate homophobic people. my godfather was gay and I have no time whatsoever for people like Winston. I'm surprised Rylan didn't refuse to interview him

Although I would like to add ch5 shouldn't have put him in the house in the first place
spaceygal
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by spaceygal:
“I can't watch TV at the moment. What happened exactly? I see he's been evicted but what was it that BB did exactly, I'm confused?”

Anyone?
revolver44
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Well that sounds like you are for censorship, which I don't agree with. I detest 99% of what Hopkins says and stands for, but I would never, ever, advocate silencing her or anyone else simply because they have opinions that are not in line with my own.”

Ok climb down off your soap box for a second there Chief. I don't give a rats arse about censorship, everyone's entitled to their opinion. But ultimately this is meant to be an entertainment show, it's not Newsnight. If your idea of fun is filling a game show full of racists, sexists, homophobes and bigots for some idealised sense of free speech then all power to you, but it's not my idea of "fun".
John_Lochery
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by spaceygal:
“Anyone?”

you'd have to watch it but in a nutshell, when being interviewed by Emma and Rylan, they kept pressing him on what he said about gay people adopting is a form of child abuse. Emma was really pushing him and the issue and he just kept saying aw it was just his beliefs or something along those lines. Rylan did say to him that he was hoping to have kids in the future and he just kept saying the same crap he said to Emma
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