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Emma was terrible yet again !!
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Makson
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by danyell:
“Really? I thought Davina was tough sometimes. But occasionally when it wasn't warranted.”

Like her Makosi interview where Davina went into full "b*tch" mode but Makosi was still too intelligent for her.
noodkleopatra
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kabuki:
“I agree. It's OK to question someone, but keep it professional. Emma unfortunately showed not only her dislike toward Winston, but also her frustration.”

I'd be frustrated if I had to speak with a man who labelled people "child abusers" with no good reason.
JVS
09-01-2016
Always amazes me how intolerant some people are of intolerance. Like the people who supported the right to free speech for Charlie Hebdo - then wanted Donald Trump banned for exercising his.

Maybe abuse was the wrong word, but Winston is entitled to his opinion.
JordanP
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by JVS:
“Always amazes me how intolerant some people are of intolerance. Like the people who supported the right to free speech for Charlie Hebdo - then wanted Donald Trump banned for exercising his.

Maybe abuse was the wrong word, but Winston is entitled to his opinion.”

And so is Emma.
MrJamGd
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by JVS:
“Always amazes me how intolerant some people are of intolerance. Like the people who supported the right to free speech for Charlie Hebdo - then wanted Donald Trump banned for exercising his.

Maybe abuse was the wrong word, but Winston is entitled to his opinion.”

I agree! I also feel like if your aim is to combat homophobia the last thing you should do is shout over a homophobe and demonise them because they are less likely to give more open-minded views a chance and more likely to get riled up. Perhaps the reason Rylan was more patient than Emma was because he is the one who has to deal with the long-term consequences.
noodkleopatra
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by MrJamGd:
“I agree! I also feel like if your aim is to combat homophobia the last thing you should do is shout over a homophobe and demonise them because they are less likely to give more open-minded views a chance and more likely to get riled up. Perhaps the reason Rylan was more patient than Emma was because he is the one who has to deal with the long-term consequences.”

Yeah, because racists are so open to reasoning too, right?

He labelled people CHILD ABUSERS... He didn't say, "Oh gays make me uncomfortable", or "Oh, I believe in traditional marriage". He said gay people were child abusers - basically, scum.

Tell me, in what way is he not demonising gay people by saying that?
J_Uk1
09-01-2016
The interview was uncomfortable to watch
Janette800
09-01-2016
If Emma doesn't take a HM to task she's terrible.....but when she does her job she's still terrible...she just can't win....I'd like to see you lot do her job
Icabod Crane
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by revolver44:
“Her "interviews" are so mindnumbingly bad they give me a headache”

i agree, she is appauling
SULLA
09-01-2016
Rylan Clarke was just as bad. He promised him one question and then talked about nothing else.
lightblues
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“Yeah, because racists are so open to reasoning too, right?

He labelled people CHILD ABUSERS... He didn't say, "Oh gays make me uncomfortable", or "Oh, I believe in traditional marriage". He said gay people were child abusers - basically, scum.

Tell me, in what way is he not demonising gay people by saying that?”

Ha didn't label anybody Child abusers , stop twisting it !!
He likened SS adoption as ''child abuse' completely different subject
And also if he was articulate enough would have explained that he meant 'psychological abuse not physical abuse ' as this topic is not exactly new .
Cat-
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by lightblues:
“Ha didn't label anybody Child abusers , stop twisting it !!
He likened SS adoption as ''child abuse' completely different subject
And also if he was articulate enough would have explained that he meant 'psychological abuse not physical abuse ' as this topic is not exactly new .”

I agree. This is the problem with wordplay and when a set of rules that you weren't aware of, are brought into play.

Winston was the perfect ploy to gain controversy.
FunboyFandango
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by JordanP:
“And so is Emma.”

Agreed. But the show isn't meant to be about her.
danyell
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Makson:
“Like her Makosi interview where Davina went into full "b*tch" mode but Makosi was still too intelligent for her.”

That was a bizzare interview. Seriously you'd think Makosie had killed a member of Davinas family the way she went on at her like that! All the girl did was pretend she was pregnant. She was TV gold for God sake! Lol
muggins14
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by soapnut:
“Emma Willis deserves a medal for conducting the interview she did. The man is a deluded, odious creep. Emma is clearly offended, it's impossible for anyone not to be by someone with such extreme archaic views. He deserved to be challenged and producers were right to throw him under the bus!

I sincerely hope that he isn't given another second of airtime
and crawls back up his own backside into obscurity. He offended the nation before he even entered the house, it was always going to end badly. Good riddance!”

bib - the producers certainly did throw him under a bus, they set up the whole scenario. They knew he'd said this at some point in his past, set up the task, the whole lot. THEY were the ones giving him 'another second of airtime' because this wasn't said on the show, it was said in the past where it may well have stayed if the CBB producers hadn't resurrected his comments purely for entertainment purposes.

This whole thing was set up.

I'll reiterate what I said on another thread.

Quote:
“I absolutely agree that Winston's comments are disgusting, archaic and (in my opinion) downright nasty.

What does makes me laugh though, in some ways, is that BB invite him onto the show having meticulously planned it all, their researchers did their job and found this comment for use in this task.

They have this little scenario all set up, where they are going to do this little trial and hold people to account for things that they have said and done in the past. Common practice in BB, often entertaining, always dramatic. They knew that this kind of revelation is likely to lead to an eviction, then pretty much ensured it with the housemate vote tonight - leading nicely into a little interview where Emma and Rylan can 'shine' and show the right amount of outrage on our behalf. We can all feel satisfied that this man has been rightfully told off by our hosts on our behalf.

All drama carefully orchestrated and executed by the producers for our 'entertainment'. They got what they wanted, a lot of people talking about the housemates, the press loving it, all in the first few days ... and all set up from the initial VT edited carefully to show his 'back to the wall' comment which set the tone for this drama.

Not an attempt to justify Winston at all, there is no justification for what he said, but it's all so very predictable from Big Brother.”

Cat-
09-01-2016
@ muggins
noodkleopatra
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by lightblues:
“Ha didn't label anybody Child abusers , stop twisting it !!
He likened SS adoption as ''child abuse' completely different subject
And also if he was articulate enough would have explained that he meant 'psychological abuse not physical abuse ' as this topic is not exactly new .”

Ok, he likened it to 'Child Abuse' - meaning that the same-sex couple in question are either advocating, or participating in "a like-child abuse act", right? So, gay people are "like" Child Abusers? That makes it so much better! Don't worry, you loving gays, you're not actual child abusers, but by having a child, you're simply like them, or at the very least committing something just as abhorrent as child abuse.

It really is semantics though, isn't it? He said, "I said it in the heat of the moment", but that kinda stuff doesn't just "accidentally slip out". Child abuse, and child abusers, are considered all round to be the lowest of the low. That's a conviction he has, not a "slip of the tongue" - the same way as a person who drinks too much and says racist crap is probably, deep down, a racist, and not just a victim of "the booze talking".

By the way, psychological abuse against a child is still child abuse. There's no differentiation - and it's somewhat hypocritical from him, considering a lot of Christians force-feed the idea of everlasting "Hell" into their children's heads in order to make them behave in a certain manner. But a couple of Dusty Springfield/KD Lang fans raising a kid is apparently more abusive in their minds... Ridiculous!

It's simply vile to even compare gay parents to committing child abuse. Absolutely vile, and more than being offensive to gay people, it's offensive to all those who have actually suffered from child abuse.
Koll
09-01-2016
All Emma had to do was ask Winston about the comments he made then lower her head and follow it up with the classic "...but can you see how some people might have took offence to that?". That's it. It's done. Next ask about his time in the house, who he got on with, whatever. But no, with Emma the whole interview has to be about Winston's comments. Why? Because they were so terrible or because it was the perfect opportunity for Emma to show her moral superiority? You decide.

This wasn't surprising to me though. Nothing surprises me about her anymore. This is the same woman who kept making not so subtle references to her own pregnancy all through the live show. Pointing to her stomach during one link and then in another going "Must be something in the water". Yes, just bring everything back to you Emma.

Davina was awful but I would have her back in a heartbeat over this overrated, self-absorbed halfwit.
hisdogspot
09-01-2016
I have no problem with an ignorant bigot being confronted

But Winston was put in that house because he was an ignorant bigot

And then, when he delivered exactly what he was supposed to deliver ... exactly what they wanted and expected him to deliver ... they acted all shocked and offended

That kind of ugly manipulation and duplicity I DO have a problem with
loopyluna
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“I have no problem with an ignorant bigot being confronted

But Winston was put in that house because he was an ignorant bigot

And then, when he delivered exactly what he was supposed to deliver ... exactly what they wanted and expected him to deliver ... they acted all shocked and offended

That kind of ugly manipulation and duplicity I DO have a problem with”

You have put this so well, i couldn't stand the mans views, but he was set up like a lamb to the slaughter tonight. Even down to it being a HM eviction rather than a viewers eviction, but only after BB had made his previous comments known to the house.
roseblue1
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“Yeah, because racists are so open to reasoning too, right?

He labelled people CHILD ABUSERS... He didn't say, "Oh gays make me uncomfortable", or "Oh, I believe in traditional marriage". He said gay people were child abusers - basically, scum.

Tell me, in what way is he not demonising gay people by saying that?”

No he did not....you have twisted what he said.
sheils1
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Makson:
“Like her Makosi interview where Davina went into full "b*tch" mode but Makosi was still too intelligent for her.”

Agree, these presenters think only their views matter, we dont all agree with them and Emma Willis was vile last night.
lightblues
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by noodkleopatra:
“Ok, he likened it to 'Child Abuse' - meaning that the same-sex couple in question are either advocating, or participating in "a like-child abuse act", right? So, gay people are "like" Child Abusers? That makes it so much better! Don't worry, you loving gays, you're not actual child abusers, but by having a child, you're simply like them, or at the very least committing something just as abhorrent as child abuse.

It really is semantics though, isn't it? He said, "I said it in the heat of the moment", but that kinda stuff doesn't just "accidentally slip out". Child abuse, and child abusers, are considered all round to be the lowest of the low. That's a conviction he has, not a "slip of the tongue" - the same way as a person who drinks too much and says racist crap is probably, deep down, a racist, and not just a victim of "the booze talking".

By the way, psychological abuse against a child is still child abuse. There's no differentiation - and it's somewhat hypocritical from him, considering a lot of Christians force-feed the idea of everlasting "Hell" into their children's heads in order to make them behave in a certain manner. But a couple of Dusty Springfield/KD Lang fans raising a kid is apparently more abusive in their minds... Ridiculous!

It's simply vile to even compare gay parents to committing child abuse. Absolutely vile, and more than being offensive to gay people, it's offensive to all those who have actually suffered from child abuse.”

Er no it's not Semantics at all
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