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Really felt sorry for Winston...and I'm gay
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canucko
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Vesna:
“He just got paid 20,000 pounds a day for 3 days work, which is how he described it, as a job.

I don't feel sorry for him at all.”

Money means more than tolerance and compassion to Winston and I guess you too.
mickmars
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Syros:
“I'm watching his interview with Rylan right now.

He's a discriminating scum trash ass-wipe, the same kind all dictators depend on to support their anti social actions.

How the **** is he a Brit if he's black
? He's an offspring of an immigrant, a person from a country that Britain probably abused for hundreds of years, sucking up all its resources for Brit's monetary profit.

That's why he's a stupid idiot.”

When it comes to being a stupid idiot , being racist to fight homophobia is right up there with over the top hysteria about dictators
Moomin STFC
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Syros:
“Why?

He wakes up every day and makes a conscious decision to discriminate against other people.

He's the scum or the earth. Like what all conservatives are.”

Oh the irony.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Winston isn't even a homophobe. He has views on gay people bringing up kids - he doesn't even seem to want to ban that (if he ever got the power to). How can you be a homophobe if you have no issue seeing gay people in a relationship? His views are about another thing, which is something he has done. But to call him a homophobe is a tad...dumb.”

He's a homophobe. No doubt about it. Also being opposed to gay people adopting because they are gay is homophobic.

Regardless of how big brother set him up it doesn't change the fact that he's a homophobe with very very questionable attitudes towards women aswell..

People need to stop acting like he's a nice guy. He's not.
bdpoop
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Damon_Plembury:
“I really felt for Winston then.

Even as a gay man, that just felt like a witch hunt.

Winston is absolutely entitled to his opinions. He's of a different generation, of a different up bringing and thats just the way he was raised.

I find his comments offensive but i also appreciate that we live in a large world with a large spectrum of people who have a large spectrum of opinions.

I don't feel the need to bully someone into thinking the way i do.

He doesn't seem aggressively anti gay, his views just seem out dated and prejudice.”


Respect!

Im glad I read this thread (and others this morning). I went to bed last night feeling I had witnessed something quite ugly and it left a bitter taste in my mouth. I totally support gay marriage and adoption, have friends and work colleagues that are gay and Im totally comfortable with that but setting someone up like that for a fall just felt cheap and as said like a Witch hunt.

I also have many older friends (I am 49) who are like Winston. I get on with them as well. They are not monsters, just bigoted daft old feckers who grew up that way and havent changed their views. Here is the thing though. Some have. Winston may well have done also given time and been around people who were openly gay but even if he didnt he didnt deserve to be used by CH5 and treat like he was.

Disgusting really. He isnt the sharpest tool in the box, being part of UKIP is enough to show that. (ooh, little bit of politics there. ) and like the OP I think the Gay community have come far enough to deal and handle silly old sods like him without having the likes of CH5 and Emma and Rylan treating him the way they did.

Katey Hopkins said some pretty vile stuff but made it to the final. They didnt have a problem tolerating her.
postit
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by PeterVonBrandy:
“Ryland was awful ”

Never known him NOT to be awful. Dreadful presenter.
brittanywattsBB
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He's a homophobe. No doubt about it. Also being opposed to gay people adopting because they are gay is homophobic.

Regardless of how big brother set him up it doesn't change the fact that he's a homophobe with very very questionable attitudes towards women aswell..

People need to stop acting like he's a nice guy. He's not.”

But shouting and screaming 'homophobe' ain't gonna make things better are they either they should of tried to change his views or ignore him. They way we deal with this stuff is barbaric shouting and screaming has proven no to work. I feel for him because he as been taught this from a young age you would most likely have the same thoughts of you had a similar up bringing. You aren't born racist or sexist or homophobic its learnt and can be unlearnt this is what I hate about the lgbt and feminist community they aim to change people who by using fear. ' don't say this or you will be get fined' attitude only changes what people say but not what they think homophobia is still around. Its still being taught to kids same with racism we need to stop this from happening and it won't work by booing and calling the people names it should be seen as a sympathetic thing in my opinion.
Paace
09-01-2016
I agree with you OP . All extremist views held by anyone should remain hidden and not made known to all on BB or outside .
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by brittanywattsBB:
“But shouting and screaming 'homophobe' ain't gonna make things better are they either they should of tried to change his views or ignore him. They way we deal with this stuff is barbaric shouting and screaming has proven no to work. I feel for him because he as been taught this from a young age you would most likely have the same thoughts of you had a similar up bringing. You aren't born racist or sexist or homophobic its learnt and can be unlearnt this is what I hate about the lgbt and feminist community they aim to change people who by using fear. ' don't say this or you will be get fined' attitude only changes what people say but not what they think homophobia is still around. Its still being taught to kids same with racism we need to stop this from happening and it won't work by booing and calling the people names it should be seen as a sympathetic thing in my opinion.”

Who was screaming at him? Are you referring to the big brother rent a mob? They're always doing that not just to Winston.

As far as I can see the housemates aside from amgie, who evicted him gave very moderate reasons and were not yelling at him.
Tony_Daniels
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by brittanywattsBB:
“But shouting and screaming 'homophobe' ain't gonna make things better are they either they should of tried to change his views or ignore him. They way we deal with this stuff is barbaric shouting and screaming has proven no to work.”

You could not be more wrong.

Do you honestly think the LGBT community would have the rights they enjoy now if they didn't shout and scream about the injustice they faced years ago? Every civil rights movement that's ever successful is accused of being 'aggressive, shouty, uppity' etc.
What name??
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
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But in this case we have a guy who aspires to be Mayor of London. If his skin isn't thick enough and his brain quick enough to hold his own against Emma Willis and Rylan Clark how on earth does he hope to cope with the likes of Jeremy Paxman or his successors? Not to mention his political adversaries.”

He aspires to be mayor like Screaming Lord Sutch aspired to be an MP. He is a joke candidate.
Tony_Daniels
09-01-2016
I also don't for a second believe the OP is gay. If you look back at their posting history, saying "I'm gay" as he does is used purely as a shield to defend against potential accusations of homophobia when he said stuff like he found Austin and James "disturbing" (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...191&highlight=) or that Farrah using 'gay' as an insult, wasn't homophobic (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...312&highlight=) and more besides.

Pretending to be gay on forums is the new 'my best friend's black' pre-emptive line of defence for people calling your views what they actually are.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
I also think that just because someone is gay and feels sorry for winston, that doesn't mean that everyone should feel the same.
Geri69
09-01-2016
I can't stand Winston. I think his views should have been challenged, but it did feel like a set up during that task, and I said so on my Facebook.
However any sympathy I had for the man disappeared when he said to Rylan " irrespective of how you live your life".
Similar to the clichés " I'm not homophobic but..." " I have gay friends " etc.
And I'm fed up of hearing that it's a generation thing. I have older relatives, many are Christian. They don't hold the views that Winston does.
Yes, he is entitled to his opinion, but stating that Gay people adopting children is child abuse is disgusting IMO.
And then he tried to backtrack, and said it was fine for Rylan and Dan to adopt children.
If you are going to hold those views, have the courage of your convictions.
Karis
09-01-2016
Are you joking?!!! Winston admitted he had views that associated gay parents with child abuse.

For reals?!
BigAndy99
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Damon_Plembury:
“I really felt for Winston then.

Even as a gay man, that just felt like a witch hunt.

Winston is absolutely entitled to his opinions. He's of a different generation, of a different up bringing and thats just the way he was raised.

I find his comments offensive but i also appreciate that we live in a large world with a large spectrum of people who have a large spectrum of opinions.

I don't feel the need to bully someone into thinking the way i do.

He doesn't seem aggressively anti gay, his views just seem out dated and prejudice.”


In a modern society laws keep us all in check - if you follow the laws you should be allowed to get along - it appears that Winston is someone who obediently does that.

It appears he is polite to anybody he meets no matter what their colour or sexuality is.

To do everything you can to extract his personal thoughts - well, that's where modern liberal Britain is going wrong - his thoughts (opinions) are his!
2la
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“having an issue with a man likening gay parenting to child abuse is not political correctness ”

But BB knew he said it and still allowed him on. It was a set up from the start.

I also think it was an experiment on everyone else more than anything. To seeing the world reacts these days with the younger generation being told how to feel and when to feel offended.
meadows76
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sheils1:
“Totally agree, he has strong christian views, just like muslims have strong views about their religion.”

that was most certainly NOT a Christian view.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2la:
“But BB knew he said it and still allowed him on. It was a set up from the start.

I also think it was an experiment on everyone else more than anything. To seeing the world reacts these days with the younger generation being told how to feel and when to feel offended.”

Did Winston never see big brother before he entered? Anyone with any sense would know that the nature of the show is to manipulate and set people up

He was perfectly happy to take the fee and go on that type of environment
yogacats
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Damon_Plembury:
“I really felt for Winston then.

Even as a gay man, that just felt like a witch hunt.

Winston is absolutely entitled to his opinions. He's of a different generation, of a different up bringing and thats just the way he was raised.

I find his comments offensive but i also appreciate that we live in a large world with a large spectrum of people who have a large spectrum of opinions.

I don't feel the need to bully someone into thinking the way i do.

He doesn't seem aggressively anti gay, his views just seem out dated and prejudice.”


Brilliant, intelligent post.
Silver Tractor
09-01-2016
The show is well rid of McKenzie - a man with a disastrous political career who left Ukip under a cloud to then join another right wing fringe group. The man is an attention seeking creep with extreme right wing views who got the Big Brother send off that he deserved.
Penny Crayon
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Silver Tractor:
“The show is well rid of McKenzie - a man with a disastrous political career who left Ukip under a cloud to then join another right wing fringe group. The man is an attention seeking creep with extreme right wing views who got the Big Brother send off that he deserved.”

Do you not think that he might have learned something living amongst the type of individuals that he doesn't normally come across? When he was warned for his behaviour I do think he was genuinely baffled - it seems it never occurred to him that his behaviour was a bit 'iffy'.

I know BB manipulates situations to cause tension and drama in the house but I have never seen them be so blatant as this - and then they carried on with the court room eviction and humilating interviews. I think BB stooped to a new low.

If Winson had stayed I do think he would have had an opportunity to see things from a different angle. He has led a very narrow life - meeting people from different walks of life and learning to live together is a far more 'interesting' BB than the ritual humiliation that has been prevalent of late.
KT_Dog
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“I also don't for a second believe the OP is gay. If you look back at their posting history, saying "I'm gay" as he does is used purely as a shield to defend against potential accusations of homophobia when he said stuff like he found Austin and James "disturbing" (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...191&highlight=) or that Farrah using 'gay' as an insult, wasn't homophobic (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...312&highlight=) and more besides.

Pretending to be gay on forums is the new 'my best friend's black' pre-emptive line of defence for people calling your views what they actually are.”

I once saw a bloke dressed as a fox waving a banner at a pro-hunting lobby.
Eurostar
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He's a homophobe. No doubt about it. Also being opposed to gay people adopting because they are gay is homophobic.

Regardless of how big brother set him up it doesn't change the fact that he's a homophobe with very very questionable attitudes towards women aswell..

People need to stop acting like he's a nice guy. He's not.”

Not in the case of two people of the same same sex adopting a child, which does not represent the traditional family unit. I don't have a problem with it but I can see how older and more conservative people would and I certainly wouldn't be labelling them homophobes and bigots. I imagine the same people would be opposed to two heterosexual men or women raising a child together, which throws the homophobe card out the window.
brittanywattsBB
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“You could not be more wrong.

Do you honestly think the LGBT community would have the rights they enjoy now if they didn't shout and scream about the injustice they faced years ago? Every civil rights movement that's ever successful is accused of being 'aggressive, shouty, uppity' etc.”

but the reason why was in fear not because they genuinely believed that they shoud have these rights. like i said it may work for some people because they just want to liked by the majority for others who stand strongly by their beliefs shouting and screaming does absolutely nothing. look at Russia they don't care what the rest of the world thinks of their anti propaganda law even though people are constantly shouting and going crazy on their streets and the only people that look bad to the russians are pro gays if you dont act civil then people wont think you are civil this is why some people see gay people as overly sexual pervs.
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