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Really felt sorry for Winston...and I'm gay
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Sasparella
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by BigAndy99:
“In a modern society laws keep us all in check - if you follow the laws you should be allowed to get along - it appears that Winston is someone who obediently does that.

It appears he is polite to anybody he meets no matter what their colour or sexuality is.

To do everything you can to extract his personal thoughts - well, that's where modern liberal Britain is going wrong - his thoughts (opinions) are his!”

Only if he doesn't air them to the public in the first place !
piggypug
09-01-2016
I felt sorry for him too
Sasparella
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Not in the case of two people of the same same sex adopting a child, which does not represent the traditional family unit. I don't have a problem with it but I can see how older and more conservative people would and I certainly wouldn't be labelling them homophobes and bigots. I imagine the same people would be opposed to two heterosexual men or women raising a child together, which throws the homophobe card out the window.”

Not really, as he specifically said GAY people.
Robinson1
09-01-2016
I did too. He is so thick it was a bit like kicking a dog who does something daft because it knows no better. Lord knows how he ever became a politician.
Sasparella
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by brittanywattsBB:
“but the reason why was in fear not because they genuinely believed that they shoud have these rights. like i said it may work for some people because they just want to liked by the majority for others who stand strongly by their beliefs shouting and screaming does absolutely nothing. look at Russia they don't care what the rest of the world thinks of their anti propaganda law even though people are constantly shouting and going crazy on their streets and the only people that look bad to the russians are pro gays if you dont act civil then people wont think you are civil this is why some people see gay people as overly sexual pervs.”

Good grief, words fail me !
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Not in the case of two people of the same same sex adopting a child, which does not represent the traditional family unit. I don't have a problem with it but I can see how older and more conservative people would and I certainly wouldn't be labelling them homophobes and bigots. I imagine the same people would be opposed to two heterosexual men or women raising a child together, which throws the homophobe card out the window.”

How can being against same sex parents for the simple reason they're gay not be bigoted.

The traditional family argument is a load of bigoted nonsense aswell. Single parents shouldn't have children if the traditional family unit is a man and a woman.
brittanywattsBB
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“Good grief, words fail me !”

just my opinion no need to be rude i've been in environments where loads of people have the same views as Winston.
Whedonite
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by brittanywattsBB:
“but the reason why was in fear not because they genuinely believed that they shoud have these rights. like i said it may work for some people because they just want to liked by the majority for others who stand strongly by their beliefs shouting and screaming does absolutely nothing. look at Russia they don't care what the rest of the world thinks of their anti propaganda law even though people are constantly shouting and going crazy on their streets and the only people that look bad to the russians are pro gays if you dont act civil then people wont think you are civil this is why some people see gay people as overly sexual pervs.”

No, they see gay people as overly sexual pervs because they're absolute morons. Those type of bigots wouldn't give a shit if they knew tons of polite and well behaved gay people. They'd still use any excuse to be homophobes.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“No, they see gay people as overly sexual pervs because they're absolute morons. Those type of bigots wouldn't give a shit if they knew tons of polite and well behaved gay people. They'd still use any excuse to be homophobes.”

Totally agree


The Russians attitudes towards gay people are absolutely despicable aswell.
Eurostar
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“How can being against same sex parents for the simple reason they're gay not be bigoted.

The traditional family argument is a load of bigoted nonsense aswell. Single parents shouldn't have children if the traditional family unit is a man and a woman.”

The people who have a problem with gay adoption may well have a big issue with single parent families as well, especially if they feel it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of labelling anyone who isn't liberal in their opinions a bigot, it smacks of intolerance.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The people who have a problem with gay adoption may well have a big issue with single parent families as well, especially if they feel it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of labelling anyone who isn't liberal in their opinions a bigot, it smacks of intolerance.”

They can say what they wish bit I can say what I wish aswell. Those who defend their rights to make those comments don't seem to grasp that people have the freedom to challenge their views aswell.
Penny Crayon
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Robinson1:
“I did too. He is so thick it was a bit like kicking a dog who does something daft because it knows no better. Lord knows how he ever became a politician.”

Well he's not exactly what you'd call a 'successful' politician is he? - he seems to have lumbered from party to party - hardly a man of conviction.

I think he likes to feel 'important' - he really does appear to be as thick as a brick but he dresses this up as 'representing the everyday man on the street'.

It's all rater pathetic really.
Whedonite
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Totally agree


The Russians attitudes towards gay people are absolutely despicable aswell.”

Russia is definitely not on my list of places to visit. I watched a programme last year on gay people in Russia and it was just terrible. I don't envy any gay person living in that country.

Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The people who have a problem with gay adoption may well have a big issue with single parent families as well, especially if they feel it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of labelling anyone who isn't liberal in their opinions a bigot, it smacks of intolerance.”

"Tolerate my intolerance!".

You can't make intolerant statements and expect people to be tolerant In return. There's a difference between not liking single parent families and not liking gay adoption though. No one is destined to be a single parent. It just happens sometimes.
Eurostar
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“They can say what they wish bit I can say what I wish aswell. Those who defend their rights to make those comments don't seem to grasp that people have the freedom to challenge their views aswell.”

People who hold those opinions are challenged on them all the time. But all the name calling seems to be in one direction though ie. anyone who isn't liberal and progressive in their opinions is an open target to be called every name going.
Eurostar
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whedonite:
“You can't make intolerant statements and expect people to be tolerant In return. There's a difference between not liking single parent families and not liking gay adoption though. No one is destined to be a single parent. It just happens sometimes.”

I would disagree on this one. Just because someone makes comments on social issues that one strongly disagree with does not give one the right to respond with a bout of name calling and insults. It's like saying "Anyone who dares disagree with me is a hate filled bigot".
Whedonite
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I would disagree on this one. Just because someone makes comments on social issues that one strongly disagree with does not give one the right to respond with a bout of name calling and insults. It's like saying "Anyone who dares disagree with me is a hate filled bigot".”

If you say something bigoted, don't expect people to tolerate it. How can anyone expect that? Winston compared gay adoption to child abuse and you object to him being called a bigot? Really?
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I would disagree on this one. Just because someone makes comments on social issues that one strongly disagree with does not give one the right to respond with a bout of name calling and insults. It's like saying "Anyone who dares disagree with me is a hate filled bigot".”

Anybody who likens someone to child abusers on the basis of their gender/sexuality/race etc is a bigot.

At what point do you need to reach before you consider someone a bigot
AnneAnneAnne
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dinosaurus:
“I'm gay and agree that he has a right to express his views! However on equal measure he should be open to criticism and held accountable for these views! Yes big brother decided to share a view of his from outside the house, but he still said it! If you are in the field of politics or in the public eye, hateful or bigoted opinions which are shared should be open for discussion! Freedom of speech is a messy area! If Winston is allowed to express that he doesn't approve of gay people adopting, why doesn't Emma, Rylan or any other person have the freedom to express their dissaproval?”

THIS. I honestly can't comprehend why people are saying "Leave poor Winston alone he has freedom of speech!"

EVERYBODY has freedom of speech, openly disagreeing with someone's view does not mean that you are curtailing his freedom, you are just expressing your own!
Maggie 55
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Anybody who likens someone to child abusers on the basis of their gender/sexuality/race etc is a bigot.

At what point do you need to reach before you consider someone a bigot”

Winston should have converted to Islam before he went in.

As a Muslim man Emma and BB would not then have said a dickybird about his attitudes to homosexuals or women for that matter.



Maggie
BabelBrook
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Well he's not exactly what you'd call a 'successful' politician is he? - he seems to have lumbered from party to party - hardly a man of conviction.

I think he likes to feel 'important' - he really does appear to be as thick as a brick but he dresses this up as 'representing the everyday man on the street'.

It's all rater pathetic really.”

He also appears to have memory issues and is denying he ever made the "back to the wall" comment.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/big-br...-up-homophobic
Eurostar
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Anybody who likens someone to child abusers on the basis of their gender/sexuality/race etc is a bigot.

At what point do you need to reach before you consider someone a bigot”

Winston worded that one very badly (and I disagree with his stance on gay adoption btw). He was trying to say that children being raised by a same sex couple was something that was unfair on the child as they had no say in the matter. BB seized on that "child abuse" phrase from a newspaper interview he gave several years ago and lobbed it into the house to cause maximum trouble for him and knowing that it would in fact.
TV_Steve
09-01-2016
The fact that there are so many people on this forum saying they feel sorry for this man is exactly why it was important that he got such a public roasting last night.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to voice an opinion in such an unacceptable and hateful manner. It is completely a personal choice as to how you decide to air your opinions and you need to accept the consequences.

These types hide behind the myth that Freedom of Speech is permission to say whatever we like without consequence or criticism. No. Freedom of Speech is entirely related to permission to criticise governments and the state without fear of persecution. It's not a free pass to make hateful, racist, sexist or homophobic comments to attack minorities or other religions and creeds.

Hiding behind supposed religious beliefs isn't an excuse either. If it was OK for religious homophobes to attack people in this way then it would follow that it's perfectly acceptable for those so called Muslim followers who use their personal interpretation of ancient text to murder innocent people indiscriminately.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's what you choose to do with that opinion that defines you as a human being in modern society.
Eve Elle
09-01-2016
There were definitely things about Winston I didn't like, but that doesn't make a cynically orchestrated victimisation and denigration of the guy for ratings and publicity through tawdry channels in the least bit acceptable. It made for uncomfortable viewing.

Funny, but I bet he had more votes than Nancy too, cause something about the last minute kangeroo court housemate vote stunk to high heaven. During which time you also had the pious martyrs scrabbling to get their two cents in in order to increase their standing with the public in some vainity driven egotistical popularity contest.

Would have been better if Winston had stayed. Had spent more time with people like John and Chris, began to learn and understand and though unlikely, maybe even find redemption? I would have liked to see him at least afforded that opportunity.
Vicky.
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“The people who have a problem with gay adoption may well have a big issue with single parent families as well, especially if they feel it's a 'lifestyle choice'. I'm not at all comfortable with the idea of labelling anyone who isn't liberal in their opinions a bigot, it smacks of intolerance.”

I have just had a discussion on the other BB forum about this..and the person who was blatantly against gay marriage/adoption said that they are against anything that isn't the traditional 'man, wife and kids' family. When asked to expand, he said he also had issues with unmarried parents, nevermind single ones :S
Vicky.
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“Winston should have converted to Islam before he went in.

As a Muslim man Emma and BB would not then have said a dickybird about his attitudes to homosexuals or women for that matter.



Maggie”

Yeah, I have seen this said a lot today, and I do kind of see this point of view althought to be honest to start with I didn't see what this had to do with anything... after thinking about it properly I seriously doubt there would have been as much of a witch hunt had Winston been Muslim.
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