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Rylans Pathetic Baiting Of Winston
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NaughtyNan
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“Thats what freedom of speech means . Winston has a right to say what he thinks . By the same token all named above have the right to say they dont like it . Freedom of speech allows you not only to say it once but to repeat it as often as you like .”

That too yes but on the program last night it was like a witch hunt.
trevor tiger
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“Actually you got that quite right! I do believe freedom of speech should be made be more available to the minority views,”

It's available to everyone surely that is the point.

It seems like some think a minority view should have more status but why if it is a minority view.

Freedom of speech is what it says on the tin and Winston has utilised his as has Ryan et al utilised theirs.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“Actually you got that quite right! I do believe freedom of speech should be made be more available to the minority views,”

The right to respond is also part of freedom of speech
NaughtyNan
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“It's available to everyone surely that is the point.

It seems like some think a minority view should have more status but why if it is a minority view.

Freedom of speech is what it says on the tin and Winston has utilised his as has Ryan et al utilised theirs.”

I belong to this group then.
kirbyreed
09-01-2016
nobody has said he can't have his views but if you are going to have opinions as controversial as his, you have to know people will want to challenge those beliefs. you can't just close your eyes, cover your ears and scream "FREE SPEECH! THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY I AM ALLOWED MY OPINIONS! THIS IS PC GONE MAD! LOONY LEFTIES!"
trevor tiger
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“I belong to this group then.”

I see. Why should a minority view have greater status than a majority view? You must despair of democracy
NaughtyNan
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I see. Why should a minority view have greater status than a majority view? You must despair of democracy ”

I do!! To be perfectly honest democracy scares me too.

Perhaps not giving it status as such ( I shouldn't have bolded that part of your post!) but minority views have in history been the root of all change.
I do have this THING about minority because my father had a minority religion and he was killed for it so it is a touchy area for me.
trevor tiger
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“I do!! To be perfectly honest democracy scares me too.

Perhaps not giving it status as such ( I shouldn't have bolded that part of your post!) but minority views have in history been the root of all change.
I do have this THING about minority because my father had a minority religion and he was killed for it so it is a touchy area for me.”

Well I certainly felt a bit of irony when I said you must despair of democracy because it is actually how I feel sometimes. Why on earth doesn't everyone agree with me
sooze
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by paralax:
“He had his script and his agenda, a professional interviewer listens to the answers, Rylan completely ignored what Winston was trying to say, because he wasn't interested. His agenda was, if you don't support my gay marriage and adoption plans, I am not going to listen, and will push my agenda, which is basically to belittle and humiliate you.

I hope if he intends raising children he will look up the word tolerance in the dictionary.”

Yes Rylan had a script and a time limit to get through the interview. Winston didn't answer the questions because he had his own agenda as to what he wanted to say and they were very different to what he was being asked. This was particularly shown when on the panel and he couldn't even answer simple questions about his time in the house.
Even in the house when asked things he would only spout nonsense - unless he was in charge of what was being said i.e. he started conversation he talked nonsense.
His agenda was either to make money and / or advance his campaign for Mayor of London.
Winston started the interview with Rylan by trying to butter him up by saying how good he was and I thought Rylan handled him very well. Winston tried to side track him by spouting his people decide speech but like most 'politicians' refused to answer a question.
Winston had to go or would have been thrown out soon enough either for his behaviour towards women or letting his real views slip. He chose o go on - no-one forced him
sooze
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“The right to respond is also part of freedom of speech”

freedom of speech is a right but there is the delicate line where it is how it influences our thoughts and ways and the consequences
If such free speech influences in such a way that the consequences bring harm - how do we feel then even if we didn't realise at the time
Germany in the 20s and 30s
N Korea today
Syria and the Middle East and how it affects us all
What of Martin Luther King and his I have a dream speech and how it brought change
Bob Geldof and Live Aid
Our changing attitudes to the environment, sexual orientation, bring up our children
We all have our views and can respect here are differences but where we perceive harm - physically or mentally is where we need to take heed .Changes can be both good and bad - How do we accept Winston's views?
muddipaws
09-01-2016
Because he is crap as an interviewer the only way he can make any sense of this whole debacle is to jump on the bandwagon which he clearly has done

He has no gravitas as an interviewer his best attempts are on the program this morning reading from a cue card and he struggles with that as it is
Purple.
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Gibman:
“The fact Rylan is even presenting a show full stop shows the level of Big Brother. Talentless doesn't begin to describe him.”

True.
MACTOWIN
09-01-2016
I see Emma is admitting she was biased last night I wonder if Rylan will do the same.
Styker
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“So what happened to the je suis Charlie mob then?

When the Charlie Hebdo mob were insulting muslims, it was ok, and the everyone wore je suis charlie T shirts to stand up for free speech.

Now it seems free speech is only allowed if it is majority rule. What a load of BS.

Either we have free speech or we dont. If we do, then Winston can say and think what the hell he wants, if we don't then Charlie Hebdo had no right to insult muslims.

You can't have it both ways.”

Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Who is restricting Winston's free speech? People are challenging his views which they are as entitled to do as he is to say them freely.”

I remember after most people jumped on the "Je Suis Charlie" bandwagon and when some people opposed it saying that all muslims were being insulted/given a hard time/abuse, Nick Clegg still Deputy PM at the time said to a caller on LBC Radio..."Here's The Bottom Line, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED"!

I put it in caps as he did raise his voice to an extent so Clegg was pretty much saing and did actually that its alright for people to offend others under freedom of speech and that people had no right not to be offended but it does seem people have uber double standards on this as we saw last night.
TheAngryGerman
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Captain Kipper:
“Be careful, one day it might be your beliefs and opinions that get trashed and told that are wrong, and that you are horrible because of it.”

So you mean one day when he exercises his right to freedom of speech others will do the same?
I can't wait for that day when freedom of speech goes for everyone, not just for the ones with controversial views.
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