The man is a hypocrite and a complete idiot. During the task he obviously thought it would make him across well to the viewers if he piped up and said he would have offered John his suitcase...there was no need for that speech at all. It wasn't a speech about Wintston, it was a speech about John showing how full of his own self-importance he is. John was quite calm and was pretty much saying that he didn't agree with Winston's opinions but they're his opinions and that's that. Well, cut to tonight's eviction and as soon as John hears the crowd baying for Winston's blood his attitude to the subject completely changes and he suddenly has this rude, angry view on the matter. The man is just an idiot. He has this air about him like he thinks is loved...even all the dramatics on the sofa looking all upset. He's highly irritating. Everything he does seems so orchestrated.
John A Complete Hypocrite
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He'll be the human barometer in the house and go whichever way the winds flow.
Untrustworthy perhaps, but interesting to watch nevertheless.
Untrustworthy perhaps, but interesting to watch nevertheless.
Perhaps he couldn't quite think of a bad enough reason - in comparison to those he had for Winston - to vote for Nancy. After all, do you really think he'd vote for her with the choice of her or Winston?
Plus, of course, he has had at least 24 hours, possibly 48 hours, to think about that event since and let his anger increase.
I do agree that his 'speech' was all about him and making himself look the better person, but I don't see how he really wouldn't have voted for Winston when the opportunity presented himself.
Plus, of course, he has had at least 24 hours, possibly 48 hours, to think about that event since and let his anger increase.
I do agree that his 'speech' was all about him and making himself look the better person, but I don't see how he really wouldn't have voted for Winston when the opportunity presented himself.
I felt more like he was trying to be calm/diplomatic because he wasn't sure if he'd have to continue living with him and didn't want to cause any more drama than necessary and just try to get on, so he tried to understand where he was coming from so he could at least be civil. Once he realised Winston was going, he didn't care about that and could just be totally honest.
He must've known when Winston was making those comments that they weren't going to go down well with the audience. If he were doing it to be well-liked, I imagine viewers would much prefer to have seen him tearing Winston a new one in the first place.
He must've known when Winston was making those comments that they weren't going to go down well with the audience. If he were doing it to be well-liked, I imagine viewers would much prefer to have seen him tearing Winston a new one in the first place.
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Perhaps he couldn't quite think of a bad enough reason - in comparison to those he had for Winston - to vote for Nancy. After all, do you really think he'd vote for her with the choice of her or Winston?
Plus, of course, he has had at least 24 hours, possibly 48 hours, to think about that event since and let his anger increase.
I do agree that his 'speech' was all about him and making himself look the better person, but I don't see how he really wouldn't have voted for Winston when the opportunity presented himself.”
“Perhaps he couldn't quite think of a bad enough reason - in comparison to those he had for Winston - to vote for Nancy. After all, do you really think he'd vote for her with the choice of her or Winston?
Plus, of course, he has had at least 24 hours, possibly 48 hours, to think about that event since and let his anger increase.
I do agree that his 'speech' was all about him and making himself look the better person, but I don't see how he really wouldn't have voted for Winston when the opportunity presented himself.”
I quite agree. Though I was a tad disappointed in the anger that he showed that was in a steep contrast to his earlier speech.
That to me showed disingenuous on his part. I mean how much more angry could he have got since then?
I found that disappointing too. I would have had a lot of respect for him if he had stuck to his guns.
Now he comes across calculating after hearing the crowd reaction.
Don't forget that he told Darren in The Box that he intended to come across as the good guy but then stick the knife in afterwards. I thought he was either joking or letting us in on a plan he had. But he now makes me feel like he played us, not the other housemates.
I now suspect that he wanted to first find out how he thought the viewers felt before he revealed how he felt about it.
Now he comes across calculating after hearing the crowd reaction.
Don't forget that he told Darren in The Box that he intended to come across as the good guy but then stick the knife in afterwards. I thought he was either joking or letting us in on a plan he had. But he now makes me feel like he played us, not the other housemates.
I now suspect that he wanted to first find out how he thought the viewers felt before he revealed how he felt about it.
To be fair we have a whole day's highlights to see yet. Maybe something happened between the task/suitcase in the highlight show (24 hours earlier), and last night's live eviction segment.
Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors:
“To be fair we have a whole day's highlights to see yet. Maybe something happened between the task/suitcase in the highlight show (24 hours earlier), and last night's live eviction segment.”
“To be fair we have a whole day's highlights to see yet. Maybe something happened between the task/suitcase in the highlight show (24 hours earlier), and last night's live eviction segment.”
Yes, I was wondering whether he and Winston had had a talk of any kind in-between the two events, after all, it is 48 hours or so between the highlights show we saw and tonight's eviction. They could have rowed bitterly for all we know, they may have talked and Winston been unapologetic (although he seemingly was already) regarding his comments... who knows. We don't, as yet.
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Yes, I was wondering whether he and Winston had had a talk of any kind in-between the two events, after all, it is 48 hours or so between the highlights show we saw and tonight's eviction. They could have rowed bitterly for all we know, they may have talked and Winston been unapologetic (although he seemingly was already) regarding his comments... who knows. We don't, as yet.”
“Yes, I was wondering whether he and Winston had had a talk of any kind in-between the two events, after all, it is 48 hours or so between the highlights show we saw and tonight's eviction. They could have rowed bitterly for all we know, they may have talked and Winston been unapologetic (although he seemingly was already) regarding his comments... who knows. We don't, as yet.”
Supporting Winston would have been a bridge too far and he didn't want to cross it.
We haven't seen the 24 hours that came in between yet and by the time John was giving his nomination he knew that Winston was going and he wasn't going to have to live with him for the foreseeable future, so he could say what he really thought.
I don't think biting your tongue and trying to avoid a confrontation is being hypocritical, I think when your in a situation where you have to live with someone you try to find a way to get on, especially at this early stage.
I don't think biting your tongue and trying to avoid a confrontation is being hypocritical, I think when your in a situation where you have to live with someone you try to find a way to get on, especially at this early stage.
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“The man is a hypocrite and a complete idiot. During the task he obviously thought it would make him across well to the viewers if he piped up and said he would have offered John his suitcase...there was no need for that speech at all. It wasn't a speech about Wintston, it was a speech about John showing how full of his own self-importance he is. John was quite calm and was pretty much saying that he didn't agree with Winston's opinions but they're his opinions and that's that. Well, cut to tonight's eviction and as soon as John hears the crowd baying for Winston's blood his attitude to the subject completely changes and he suddenly has this rude, angry view on the matter. The man is just an idiot. He has this air about him like he thinks is loved...even all the dramatics on the sofa looking all upset. He's highly irritating. Everything he does seems so orchestrated.”
“The man is a hypocrite and a complete idiot. During the task he obviously thought it would make him across well to the viewers if he piped up and said he would have offered John his suitcase...there was no need for that speech at all. It wasn't a speech about Wintston, it was a speech about John showing how full of his own self-importance he is. John was quite calm and was pretty much saying that he didn't agree with Winston's opinions but they're his opinions and that's that. Well, cut to tonight's eviction and as soon as John hears the crowd baying for Winston's blood his attitude to the subject completely changes and he suddenly has this rude, angry view on the matter. The man is just an idiot. He has this air about him like he thinks is loved...even all the dramatics on the sofa looking all upset. He's highly irritating. Everything he does seems so orchestrated.”
It said a lot. It was done solely for himself, his own appearance.
Yes, he knew he was in an elevated position - the authorities and the media have put him there and people like him can now bully others who hold certain views.
I was starting to think I was the only one that could see it? John has, at every turn, made an effort to do what he thinks will come across as the right and noble thing, which is great on the face of it, but you can tell by his pauses, facial expressions, mannerisms, and little comments that he is doing these things reluctantly, to earn 'points' rather than anything to do with his character.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.
Originally Posted by momentarything:
“I felt more like he was trying to be calm/diplomatic because he wasn't sure if he'd have to continue living with him and didn't want to cause any more drama than necessary and just try to get on, so he tried to understand where he was coming from so he could at least be civil. Once he realised Winston was going, he didn't care about that and could just be totally honest.
He must've known when Winston was making those comments that they weren't going to go down well with the audience. If he were doing it to be well-liked, I imagine viewers would much prefer to have seen him tearing Winston a new one in the first place.”
“I felt more like he was trying to be calm/diplomatic because he wasn't sure if he'd have to continue living with him and didn't want to cause any more drama than necessary and just try to get on, so he tried to understand where he was coming from so he could at least be civil. Once he realised Winston was going, he didn't care about that and could just be totally honest.
He must've known when Winston was making those comments that they weren't going to go down well with the audience. If he were doing it to be well-liked, I imagine viewers would much prefer to have seen him tearing Winston a new one in the first place.”
This is exactly how I perceived the situation.
Can't take to john he seems to be playing a game he thinks the viewers want to see I would like to see the real john
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“He'll be the human barometer in the house and go whichever way the winds flow.
Untrustworthy perhaps, but interesting to watch nevertheless.”
“He'll be the human barometer in the house and go whichever way the winds flow.
Untrustworthy perhaps, but interesting to watch nevertheless.
”
Not wishing to be pedantic but wouldn't that make him the human wind vane?
John is playing a game (and the audience) to win - he has been far more opinionated sitting on the SOTS panel on far less trivial issues. But he has been around the show long enough to know how it works. Having said that I suspect John is sufficiently worldly wise to know it would be pointless arguing with the likes of Winston so it would be a no-win confrontation. If it is a choice between him and the Geordie blowhard pitching for a win I guess even a bit of playing the game is acceptable.
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“Not wishing to be pedantic but wouldn't that make him the human wind vane?
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“Not wishing to be pedantic but wouldn't that make him the human wind vane?
”
Weather Cock suits him better.
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“I was starting to think I was the only one that could see it? John has, at every turn, made an effort to do what he thinks will come across as the right and noble thing, which is great on the face of it, but you can tell by his pauses, facial expressions, mannerisms, and little comments that he is doing these things reluctantly, to earn 'points' rather than anything to do with his character.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.”
“I was starting to think I was the only one that could see it? John has, at every turn, made an effort to do what he thinks will come across as the right and noble thing, which is great on the face of it, but you can tell by his pauses, facial expressions, mannerisms, and little comments that he is doing these things reluctantly, to earn 'points' rather than anything to do with his character.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.”
Indeed - A Whether Cock
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“I was starting to think I was the only one that could see it? John has, at every turn, made an effort to do what he thinks will come across as the right and noble thing, which is great on the face of it, but you can tell by his pauses, facial expressions, mannerisms, and little comments that he is doing these things reluctantly, to earn 'points' rather than anything to do with his character.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.”
“I was starting to think I was the only one that could see it? John has, at every turn, made an effort to do what he thinks will come across as the right and noble thing, which is great on the face of it, but you can tell by his pauses, facial expressions, mannerisms, and little comments that he is doing these things reluctantly, to earn 'points' rather than anything to do with his character.
How long he is able to keep it up is the question? I predict when he blows, he will cry a lot and try and dress it up as a breakdown, mark my words.”
Totally agree. He is coming across as very calculating and manipulative. It will be hard for him to keep up the facade for long and will crack eventually and show his true colours.
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