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Has Winston murdered babies or something?
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Angelique_Dorma
09-01-2016
Never in my life have I witnessed such horrible and uncomfortable interviewing of ANYONE on TV. Winston has just been on The Saturday Show and had a real hammering from Gaby Roslin & Matt Barbett. OK, we may not agree with his views but I feel these interviewers are taking advantage of his unfortunate phrasing of his views and boy, are they milking it to make themselves appear so PC and right on.

Another guest waded in (Nina Wadia) and introduced the word paedophile into the conversation, did Winston accuse gay men of paedophilia? No he didn't. Did any of the presenters correct her? No they didn't.

I've gone off a LOT of people since BB last night, and Winston isn't one of them.
Arthur_B
09-01-2016
I do think, whilst he is entitled to his opinion, that his views should be challenged. PC or not, they aren't views a large amount of people are going to like, so he will get a hard time.
Arcana
09-01-2016
I'm not sure that even BB would cast a baby-murderer.
BabelBrook
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I'm not sure that even BB would cast a baby-murderer.”

I wouldn't bet on it.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Angelique_Dorma:
“Never in my life have I witnessed such horrible and uncomfortable interviewing of ANYONE on TV. Winston has just been on The Saturday Show and had a real hammering from Gaby Roslin & Matt Barbett. OK, we may not agree with his views but I feel these interviewers are taking advantage of his unfortunate phrasing of his views and boy, are they milking it to make themselves appear so PC and right on.

Another guest waded in (Nina Wadia) and introduced the word paedophile into the conversation, did Winston accuse gay men of paedophilia? No he didn't. Did any of the presenters correct her? No they didn't.

I've gone off a LOT of people since BB last night, and Winston isn't one of them.”

He likened gay parents to child abusers. He didn't use the word paedophile no but that's semantics.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
I did feel for Winston, purely because he seems to struggle to express his beliefs clearly, which is being taken advantage of.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He likened gay parents to child abusers. He didn't use the word paedophile no but that's semantics.”

He did try to say that he felt the child didn't have a choice. I don't think he meant sexual abuse.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“He did try to say that he felt the child didn't have a choice. I don't think he meant sexual abuse.”

No child has a choice as to who their parents are. He can make all the excuses he wants but it was a despicable comment.
missfrizzy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Arthur_B:
“I do think, whilst he is entitled to his opinion, that his views should be challenged. PC or not, they aren't views a large amount of people are going to like, so he will get a hard time.”

Why should his views be challenged though? This is supposed to be a democratic country, and whilst his views may not be the majority (or perhaps they are, just that the minority make more noise?), why is he not entitled to them without being questioned or pole axed as per last night?
missfrizzy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He likened gay parents to child abusers. He didn't use the word paedophile no but that's semantics.”

Children can be abused in many ways, it doesn't always have to be sexual.
Cloudy2
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“ I don't think he meant sexual abuse.”

But that is what he said and he stood by his statement when questioned by Emma and Rylan.

There is no fool like an old fool.
Croctacus
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“Why should his views be challenged though? This is supposed to be a democratic country, and whilst his views may not be the majority (or perhaps they are, just that the minority make more noise?), why is he not entitled to them without being questioned or pole axed as per last night?”

Why should any politicians?

Maybe because he is seeking an office of power and the voters are entitled to know what he stands for same as with Cameron, Corbyn etc.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“Children can be abused in many ways, it doesn't always have to be sexual.”

Yes I know. My point was likening gay parents to child abusers regardless of the types of abuse was horrible
DiamondDoll
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“Why should his views be challenged though? This is supposed to be a democratic country, and whilst his views may not be the majority (or perhaps they are, just that the minority make more noise?), why is he not entitled to them without being questioned or pole axed as per last night?”

So you think its perfectly acceptable to hold any views you like.
Have I got that right?

What about those who are in favour of slavery, male supremacy, paedophilia, racism etc etc?
Are you really saying that those views should not be challenged?

I'm really struggling with your logic here.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Cloudy2:
“But that is what he said and he stood by his statement when questioned by Emma and Rylan.

There is no fool like an old fool.”

I was responding to the comments where paedophile was mentioned, & he didn't say sexual abuse.

He doesn't strike me as being very articulate, & he did try to explain, not very clearly, that the phrase was initially thrown at him by a reporter. I did hear him say he felt the child would not have a choice of adoptive parents, meaning they may suffer at school by having same sex parents.
BabelBrook
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“I was responding to the comments where paedophile was mentioned, & he didn't say sexual abuse.

He doesn't strike me as being very articulate, & he did try to explain, not very clearly, that the phrase was initially thrown at him by a reporter. I did hear him say he felt the child would not have a choice of adoptive parents, meaning they may suffer at school by having same sex parents.”

I am not sure that is what he said. The words were his but he claimed the press then tried to construe it that he was homophobic - a badge he denies although I am not sure that he isn't.
Dr Z
09-01-2016
I can't believe you are comparing trivial things like Baby murder to serious crimes such as Homophobia.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“I am not sure that is what he said. The words were his but he claimed the press then tried to construe it that he was homophobic - a badge he denies although I am not sure that he isn't.”

I agree. He stated he got on well with Christopher etc but I dont think he is comfortable with gay relationships.
Dinosaurus
09-01-2016
No, but I bet if he had, the lovely people of DS forums would go to lengths to promote him as a victim of sorts!
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“I am not sure that is what he said. The words were his but he claimed the press then tried to construe it that he was homophobic - a badge he denies although I am not sure that he isn't.”

He admitted he said it to Gemma
yawalloper
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He likened gay parents to child abusers. He didn't use the word paedophile no but that's semantics.”

A bit ironic that he apparently made the comment that he used the incorrect term when he originally said it, but you seem to be taking that a step further and making suggestions about a term he didn't say. So you won't accept he made an error in the description he used, but happy to use that suggestion to make what he said even worse.
MACTOWIN
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dinosaurus:
“No, but I bet if he had, the lovely people of DS forums would go to lengths to promote him as a victim of sorts!”

Oh Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by yawalloper:
“A bit ironic that he apparently made the comment that he used the incorrect term when he originally said it, but you seem to be taking that a step further and making suggestions about a term he didn't say. So you won't accept he made an error in the description he used, but happy to use that suggestion to make what he said even worse.”

I wasn't the one who mentioned the word paedophile actually. He wasn't specific about the type of abuse he thinks gay parents commit so maybe we should ask him to clear it up.
Fairy Wings
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I wasn't the one who mentioned the word paedophile actually. He wasn't specific about the type of abuse he thinks gay parents commit so maybe we should ask him to clear it up.”

He did. He said that he thought the child would suffer in school etc by having single sex parents owtte.
yawalloper
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I wasn't the one who mentioned the word paedophile actually. He wasn't specific about the type of abuse he thinks gay parents commit so maybe we should ask him to clear it up.”

You said it was semantics though. As for the other point, fairy wings answers this very well above.
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