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Has Winston murdered babies or something?
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Arthur_B
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“Why should his views be challenged though? This is supposed to be a democratic country, and whilst his views may not be the majority (or perhaps they are, just that the minority make more noise?), why is he not entitled to them without being questioned or pole axed as per last night?”

Because democracy works both ways. Yes, he's entitled to have an opinion, but by the same token, people are entitled to disagree with and question that opinion, otherwise debate wouldn't exist. No opinion is above being questioned - that's not the same as saying he isn't entitled to the opinion in the first place.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by yawalloper:
“You said it was semantics though. As for the other point, fairy wings answers this very well above.”

Ok fair point re my semantixs comment.
However given what he said about his back being to the wall in the house I wouldn't be at all surprised if he did equate homosexuality with paedophilia. That comment also gives me the impression that he sees gay people as predatory
missfrizzy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Croctacus:
“Why should any politicians?

Maybe because he is seeking an office of power and the voters are entitled to know what he stands for same as with Cameron, Corbyn etc.”

He was on a third rate reality tv show, not news night. There is no current election. His views on homosexuality were well documented before he went on there.
BabelBrook
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“He was on a third rate reality tv show, not news night. There is no current election. His views on homosexuality were well documented before he went on there.”

I bet Simon Cowell didn't give him the thrid degree on X Factor either
SH1965
09-01-2016
Winston's views are an insult to gay couples and also those whom have suffered child abuse. I don't condone a media witch hunt but his political career is possibly on the rocks.
missfrizzy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Arthur_B:
“Because democracy works both ways. Yes you can have an opinion, but opinions can be questioned and challenged if people disagree with the opinion, otherwise debate wouldn't exist. No opinion is above being questioned - that's not the same as saying he isn't entitled to the opinion in the first place.”

You say "you can have an opinion" what you fail to say however is that it has to be the same opinion as the majority or the most outspoken otherwise you will be ostracized and vilified.
BabelBrook
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by SH1965:
“Winston's views are an insult to gay couples and also those whom have suffered child abuse. I don't condone a media witch hunt but his political career is possibly on the rocks.”

In fairness he never had a political career - he has stood in elections but he might as well be a member of Monster Raving Loony party since his chances of winning an election are (and probably always were) zilch.
missfrizzy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by SH1965:
“Winston's views are an insult to gay couples and also those whom have suffered child abuse. I don't condone a media witch hunt but his political career is possibly on the rocks.”

If politicians were upstanding decent honest trustworthy people, I would agree with you, but as they let anyone into politics these days, however corrupt then don't think Winston will have a big impact one way or another.
Arthur_B
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“You say "you can have an opinion" what you fail to say however is that it has to be the same opinion as the majority or the most outspoken otherwise you will be ostracized and vilified.”

But if the opinion is bigoted, then it's going to be vilified. If someone held a racist opinion it would be attacked - homophobic opinions should be no different. And comparing gay adoption to child abuse, as well as stating he'd have to keep his back to the wall if there were gay people in the house, is homophobic. Surely you can't be surprised that a large portion of viewers will be offended by opinions like that.
Saffron787
09-01-2016
I felt for Emma last night and I wondered at one point if she would actually walk off the set in disgust. Winston has views on Gay marriage that are outdated but to say that a child in a same sex marriage is suffering 'child abuse' because that child had no choice of parents is absolutely absurd.
In the same interview he claims to be supporting a single mother of FIVE children. So are those children suffering 'child abuse' because they didn't choose to be born to a single parent??
zerothehero
09-01-2016
90% of people have showed bully like behaviour towards Winston and it is disgusting and uncomfortable and how can they claim to have morake high grounds when acting like this?

Also i cant understand why people assume he meant sexual abuse? Surely the people who claim this actually had a education?
zerothehero
09-01-2016
I don't understand why the non lgbt people took more offence then the actual people in concerned
Rogana Josh
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“He did try to say that he felt the child didn't have a choice. I don't think he meant sexual abuse.”

I think a reporter 'twisted' Winston's words maybe?
Rogana Josh
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by missfrizzy:
“He was on a third rate reality tv show, not news night. There is no current election. His views on homosexuality were well documented before he went on there.”

Maybe he'll be on Question Time next week.
Kaitel
09-01-2016
When and IF he used the exact wording of child abuse, I don't think Winston meant it as the sexual form as is being widely assumed, but more in the general of not being a good situation for a child in that the child has no say in the matter. You can't tell me there is no truth to it in that case, no matter how suitable a same sex couple might be, that a child wont get teased their whole childhood by other children and not be affected by it to some degree, because children are so kind and respectful right?
Esther_Aspley
09-01-2016
He said he helped a lot of homeless children and yet he did not want gay couples adopt a child as it was child cruelty, so to me that means he would sooner have a homeless chid, then be looked after with a roof over there heads and comfortable life with a gay couple
1fab
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“I don't understand why the non lgbt people took more offence then the actual people in concerned”

Non-lgbt people still have friends and family who are lgbt, or may have in the future, and we don't want them to suffer prejudice.

Having said that, I felt sorry for the man, and felt he was set up, and all the housemates took the opportunity to make themselves look good.

His views may be offensive, but at least he's open about them, so people know where they stand.
allie4
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“He did try to say that he felt the child didn't have a choice. I don't think he meant sexual abuse.”

No child on earth has a choice of parents. Not us not anyone. So how is it abuse to be with gay parents? AS long as there is love and care, whose business is it anyway? Certainly not that Neanderthal's.
sorcha_healy27
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Esther_Aspley:
“He said he helped a lot of homeless children and yet he did not want gay couples adopt a child as it was child cruelty, so to me that means he would sooner have a homeless chid, then be looked after with a roof over there heads and comfortable life with a gay couple”

He also said he was helping a single mother. Surely as there is no father there that's child abuse by his logic.
robbleona
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Angelique_Dorma:
“Never in my life have I witnessed such horrible and uncomfortable interviewing of ANYONE on TV. Winston has just been on The Saturday Show and had a real hammering from Gaby Roslin & Matt Barbett. OK, we may not agree with his views but I feel these interviewers are taking advantage of his unfortunate phrasing of his views and boy, are they milking it to make themselves appear so PC and right on.

Another guest waded in (Nina Wadia) and introduced the word paedophile into the conversation, did Winston accuse gay men of paedophilia? No he didn't. Did any of the presenters correct her? No they didn't.

I've gone off a LOT of people since BB last night, and Winston isn't one of them.”

Wish they would get rid of emma bloody 'houlier than thou' Willis for start.
Winston was 'set up' from the beginning..his views were known, the votes came in...AND WERE IGNORED BY BB (apart from anyone who voted kristina, your vote didn't count). They asked the HOUSEMATES to decide.....why didn't people know it was a 'bottom two' vote? Why aren't people complaining over that today??
It was almost like they wanted the other 14 to give him the stick that BB thought he merited in their ultra phoney PC world.....by the way I am no fan of winston and wanted him out (instead of the ladies) .....BUT I FELT LIKE VOTING FOR HIM TO STAY LAST NIGHT!!
Dr Z
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by allie4:
“No child on earth has a choice of parents. Not us not anyone. So how is it abuse to be with gay parents? AS long as there is love and care, whose business is it anyway? Certainly not that Neanderthal's.”


You have to remember Winston's generation were taught that Homosexuality was a ILLEGAL perversion, and those guilty went to jail! His parents will have spent their whole lives believing this, Thankfully we've moved on, but you can't be surprised when folks from that generation struggle with the concept.
Dinosaurus
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kaitel:
“When and IF he used the exact wording of child abuse, I don't think Winston meant it as the sexual form as is being widely assumed, but more in the general of not being a good situation for a child in that the child has no say in the matter. You can't tell me there is no truth to it in that case, no matter how suitable a same sex couple might be, that a child wont get teased their whole childhood by other children and not be affected by it to some degree, because children are so kind and respectful right?”

So society should conform to the requirements of playground bullies? What do we do about the children who get teased because they wear glasses? Or are obese? Who are clever? Who have social and emotional needs?
welshfoxy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“No child has a choice as to who their parents are. He can make all the excuses he wants but it was a despicable comment.”

You fully approve of single parents and their children if they have no male or female role model around, I take it?

As the poster you replied to was alluding to, Winston was not talking about paedophelia at all. I find it unacceptable how you would bring that into things. He's an idiot, possibly more, but that is totally disingenious. Total moron bigots have an issue with gay people having a relationship which has nothing to do with them, but are people not allowed to have their private opinions on those people raising children? It isn't about sexuality at all really, it's about the child themselves and that there are two genders for which kids need role models. The fact you fudge the arguments make me feel you don't totally believe in what you're so determined to preach.
welshfoxy
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by zerothehero:
“I don't understand why the non lgbt people took more offence then the actual people in concerned”

Hmm I wonder. Almost like they protest too much.
Dinosaurus
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“You fully approve of single parents and their children if they have no male or female role model around, I take it?

As the poster you replied to was alluding to, Winston was not talking about paedophelia at all. I find it unacceptable how you would bring that into things. He's an idiot, possibly more, but that is totally disingenious. Total moron bigots have an issue with gay people having a relationship which has nothing to do with them, but are people not allowed to have their private opinions on those people raising children? It isn't about sexuality at all really, it's about the child themselves and that there are two genders for which kids need role models. The fact you fudge the arguments make me feel you don't totally believe in what you're so determined to preach.”

If there is an argument or research that indicates children need male and female role models in their lives, why does that position fall directly onto the parents? Children who live with only their mothers/fathers often find good role models in other family members, family friends, male teachers etc!
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