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Dr Z
09-01-2016
Watching Emma and Rylan concluding that it was the "Child abuse" comment that was the main problem with Winston.

He made the comment in 2012!!! Long before Big Brother agreed to Hire him.

Dd he raise the comment in the house? NO BIG BROTHER DID!!


The whole situation was manufactured by Big Brother and anyone who can't see that truly has their heads in the clouds.
Melissa1743
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“He made the comment in 2012!!! Long before Big Brother agreed to Hire him.

Dd he raise the comment in the house? NO BIG BROTHER DID!!


The whole situation was manufactured by Big Brother and anyone who can't see that truly has their heads in the clouds.”

That is exactly what I have been thinking. and actually the thing that makes me feel the most uncomfortable.

So Winston said these awful comments in 2012. He was invited onto Big Brother in 2016. He was welcomed onto the programme and had a pleasant enough chat with Emma on the way in. He did not repeat his repugnant reviews on the programme, it was Big Brother who raised it. He left and face the firing squad of Emma, the same Emma who welcomed him 3 days before. Yet nothing within Winston had changed from 3 days before. He had said nothing new, nothing that Big Brother, Emma, Rylan and the public hadn't already heard. They invited him onto the programme, created the whole situation, and repeated his comments of 4 years ago, and then acted aghast at them...when this was no doubt the reason he had been invited onto the programme in the first place. Manipulation at it's very, very worst. Winston's 4 year old comments are vile and disgusting, but Big Brother's manipulation was, in just my opinion, worse.
Sun Tzu.
09-01-2016
He was only put in to get ratings, pure and simple. It was an absolute hatchet job on the man. His views IMO are just silly but he was dragged out like he committed some sort of crime and the firing squad (the audience) was prepared.
Wainy84
09-01-2016
Great thread.
Dr Z
09-01-2016
Exactly, If his archived comments are truly as hurtful and damaging as 1,000,000 lefties are having us believe now,, Then surely blame for any offence caused by re-publishing them must lay with Big Brother? Especially as (sincerely or otherwise) Winston retracted the comments afterwards.

Mischief making of the highest order. Big Brother should be at the very least equally as ashamed as Winston.
postit
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“He was only put in to get ratings, pure and simple. It was an absolute hatchet job on the man. His views IMO are just silly but he was dragged out like he committed some sort of crime and the firing squad (the audience) was prepared.”

However, as Annsyre pointed out in another thread, Winston must be laughing all the way to the bank. He collects his fee and doesn't have to spend 3 weeks with people who despise him.
Sun Tzu.
09-01-2016
60k for 3 days work is fantastic lol.
Arthur_B
09-01-2016
Yes, but he did say on his BB VT that if there were any gay men in the house, he'd have his back to the wall, implying all gay men are sexual predators who can't possibly restrain themselves around the company of any man. Yes, BB knew his views before booking him, and he was clearly set up for a fall, but that doesn't change the fact that his views are bigoted. How could Emma and Rylan not give him a hard time?
Aura101
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Arthur_B:
“Yes, but he did say on his BB VT thatmen in the hous if there were any gay e, he'd have his back to the wall, implying all gay men are sexual predators who can't possibly restrain themselves around the company of any man. Yes, BB knew his views before booking him, and he was clearly set up for a fall, but that doesn't change the fact that his views are bigoted. How could Emma and Rylan not give him a hard time?”

i find it odd that never got brought up once on either of last nights interviews
BBKINGREALITY
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Melissa1743:
“He did not repeat his repugnant reviews on the programme, it was Big Brother who raised it. He left and face the firing squad of Emma, the same Emma who welcomed him 3 days before.”

Ye & she had the nerve to say 'U can't say that publicly'. They raised this subject themselves!. Its a ****in disgrace & the contempt shown by her & her 'bezzie' Rylan made me sick. The crowd that chant 'Emma' 'Emma' need to take a long look at themselves.
aggielane
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Arthur_B:
“Yes, but he did say on his BB VT that if there were any gay men in the house, he'd have his back to the wall, implying all gay men are sexual predators who can't possibly restrain themselves around the company of any man. Yes, BB knew his views before booking him, and he was clearly set up for a fall, but that doesn't change the fact that his views are bigoted. How could Emma and Rylan not give him a hard time?”

What he said in his VT and before he ever got in the house should have been a red flag and he should not have been allowed in the house. To know what his views were and still allow him in was stupid. Then because he doesn't do what they want him to do in the house they then set him up with something that happened in 2012 and vilify him for it. Emma is fond of saying we can only judge HMs on how they behave in the house and he didnt do what she attacked him for in the house.
Melissa1743
09-01-2016
[quote=Arthur_B;81023984 How could Emma and Rylan not give him a hard time?[/QUOTE]

But his views had not changed between going in and coming out 3 days later. As his views are so awful, why not give him a hard time when going in (or better still not inviting him on the programme at all). I find it manipulative and unpleasant of the programme that he was (rightly) given a hard time on his exit, when he had not repeated his views on the 3 days since being welcomed in. I am sorry if I am not explaining myself better.
Melissa1743
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“What he said in his VT and before he ever got in the house should have been a red flag and he should not have been allowed in the house. To know what his views were and still allow him in was stupid. Then because he doesn't do what they want him to do in the house they then set him up with something that happened in 2012 and vilify him for it. Emma is fond of saying we can only judge HMs on how they behave in the house and he didnt do what she attacked him for in the house.”

That's exactly what I wanted to say but could not find the words. Thank you for explaining better than I could. His views are awful, but the programme's manipulation and faux/shock outrage (when they already knew his views and said nothing about them previously and still allowed him in) is worse.
Arthur_B
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Melissa1743:
“But his views had not changed between going in and coming out 3 days later. As his views are so awful, why not give him a hard time when going in (or better still not inviting him on the programme at all). I find it manipulative and unpleasant of the programme that he was (rightly) given a hard time on his exit, when he had not repeated his views on the 3 days since being welcomed in. I am sorry if I am not explaining myself better.”

I'll admit I was surprised Emma didn't mention anything before he entered. But then, like I said in my original post, he was probably set up by BB for a fall.
Cranberryapple
09-01-2016
Lamb to the slaughter....basically.
BBKINGREALITY
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Melissa1743:
“That's exactly what I wanted to say but could not find the words. Thank you for explaining better than I could. His views are awful, but the programme's manipulation and faux/shock outrage (when they already knew his views and said nothing about them previously and still allowed him in) is worse.”

They've done this with so many HMs who are known to be controversial like Ken Morley. I think the difference is that Winston was blatant with it in his VT so that should have been a red flag right there. I'm perplexed how he was screen tested with those views & then condemned for the same reason.
sooze
09-01-2016
The point is
1. we do not know how or why he was on CBB - did they target him or did he request to go on - remember he had an agenda he was looking for publicity and possibly money for his campaign for Mayor of London.
2. He said what he said in his VT - no-one forced him to. His views were not changed and for some of the other revelations for others were older than 2012
3. He was also asked about his behaviour towards the women in the house which was just as bad

If someone chooses to go on the show - they have a reason to do so and if he thought that he could exploit it he has done so although as he kept saying it is the public who decide and if it hadn't have come up this week I am sure he would not have been able to have contained himself much longer and he would have been booted off for either his attitude or views very soon.
biomorph04
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by sooze:
“The point is
1. we do not know how or why he was on CBB - did they target him or did he request to go on - remember he had an agenda he was looking for publicity and possibly money for his campaign for Mayor of London.
2. He said what he said in his VT - no-one forced him to. His views were not changed and for some of the other revelations for others were older than 2012
3. He was also asked about his behaviour towards the women in the house which was just as bad

If someone chooses to go on the show - they have a reason to do so and if he thought that he could exploit it he has done so although as he kept saying it is the public who decide and if it hadn't have come up this week I am sure he would not have been able to have contained himself much longer and he would have been booted off for either his attitude or views very soon.”

yes. its the telly. Winston is a typical rightwing idiot party candidate. That eviction show was great telly.
exodus2u
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“Watching Emma and Rylan concluding that it was the "Child abuse" comment that was the main problem with Winston.

He made the comment in 2012!!! Long before Big Brother agreed to Hire him.

Dd he raise the comment in the house? NO BIG BROTHER DID!!


The whole situation was manufactured by Big Brother and anyone who can't see that truly has their heads in the clouds.”

Well said!
If Katie H can get to the final with some of the comments she's made outside the house it's total hypocrisy
SegaGamer
09-01-2016
Last night was evidence of how horrible this show can get at times.
Norn2
09-01-2016
katie hopkins wanted genocide of palestinians and compared them to sewer rats (ironic considering she looks like a rat herself). and she was in the final 2.

in comparison winston seems like an angel.
Cranberryapple
09-01-2016
Originally Posted by Norn2:
“katie hopkins wanted genocide of palestinians and compared them to sewer rats (ironic considering she looks like a rat herself). and she was in the final 2.

in comparison winston seems like an angel.”

Pity Emma didn't tackle her about this. Then again, when Emma gets 'pulled up' for liking /disliking someone, she bleats on about how she judges them on their time in the house.

Winston..............

Helen Woods was annihilated on here and most places for her 'past'. Did Emma mention it to her? Did she hell.
rhizo_mania
09-01-2016
exodus2u
Forum Member

If Katie H can get to the final with some of the comments she's made outside the house it's total hypocrisy

Norn2
Forum Member

katie hopkins wanted genocide of palestinians and compared them to sewer rats (ironic considering she looks like a rat herself). and she was in the final 2.

in comparison winston seems like an angel.

Both good points, but you know the way this show goes ether your in or like Winston your out.
wildpark
09-01-2016
Not CBB's finest hour - lashings of hypocrisy and virtue signalling, with a bit of mob rule thrown in for good measure. The UK is better than this, and so is Channel 5.
Penny Crayon
09-01-2016
Didn't Evander Holyfield make similar comments to a fellow HM whilst actually in the house? I don't remember the hostility and humiliating interview after that.

I certainly don't condone anyone for holding those views but this OTT reaction and appalling treatment after a very clear 'set up' may just be a step too far.

We all know things are manipulated and set up in the house but this was just so blatant - I don't think their is any justification on their part.
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