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I posted this yesterday, but I think the title I used was a little cryptic and thus no one realised what it was about. At least I think that might explain why so few people commented either way on the night and day difference in handling virtually the same situation. So I thought I'd repost it with a more descriptive title.

Not only was St Emma not mortiified to the point of being rude and dismissive of her interviewee (in Holyfields case) - But she didn't even feel the need to mention his homophobic comments.

In contrast to shutting Winston off "This isn't Boxing" when he tried to tell here his experience of boxing crowds helped him deal with the BB crowd - She ironically almost immediately asks Evander how his experience compares to Boxing!!

Not looked for it yet, but I'd guess Rylan was magically able to put any contempt for Evanders comments aside too.

If this is not rock solid evidence that Winstongate was a set up, then I don't know what is

I saw it yesterday - I also alluded to Hollyfield the other night.

I agree that this has been set up to 'spice' the show up. Evanders comments were kind of swept under the carpet as I don't think it would have 'suited' the agenda to deride and humiliate a US star in the way that they've done to Winston.

I think people may be finding me contradictory on this chain of events but I do think it's possible to feel a bit sorry for Winston but also understand how John is feeling.

Personally I think BB should hang their heads in shame. This was obviously planned - I can't help feeling incredibly uncomfortable at the way Winston has been used - I cringed when he called that meeting and then went on to dig himself into an even bigger hole.

He has some very antiquated and homophobic views but I don't think he's a bad man.
It's clear that he hasn't had much formal education and isn't too bright - does no one else think it's a bit shameful to ridicule and humiliate him in this way?

Why did Evander get away with it?

Spot on, Its not a case of agreeing with or sticking up for Winston.

Those comments were offensive in 2012, Winston is 100% responsible for any hurt they cause back then.

But any hurt caused by them in 2016 by "winstongate" is solely down to Channel 5/ Big Brother.

does no one else think it's a bit shameful to ridicule and humiliate him in this way?

In answer to that yes.

I disagree with Winston and his views totally and it was right he went on Friday.

However, I don't think it was right to treat him in the manner in which he was treated. He has his views and he's entitled to them however unacceptable I find them. His views were obviously known to Channel 5 before he was asked to participate on the show. If those views were acceptable enough to invite him on the show, then why berate him constantly on his exit for those views?

I'm a huge Rylan fan, but I was really disappointed in the way Rylan conducted himself in that interview with Winston. Rylan more of less twerking his backside right under Winston's nose was a taunt imo. Totally unnecessary.

Both interviews were unpleasant to watch. There wasn't any need to keep hammering the point home about gay adoption/child abuse constantly by Emma.

Winston has his opinions and whilst I most certainly don't agree with them, I have to accept his opinions even though I don't share them.

He's a total nobody even compared to the 'nobodiest' of the rest of them (which is saying something!).

The only reason he was sent in was for this imo.

BB has reached a new low.

yes bb are never consistent.
iirc he said he didn't agree with gay marriage or the gay lifestyle because it states it's wrong in the bible.
danielle the christian glamour model said the same thing, both got away with it.

if winston said the same thing, he may have gotten away with it. but it was the child abuse comment that really got him in trouble

The thing is - he never said it or anything like it in the house. It was three years before.

Evander Holyfield said his comments on live TV in the house - do you not think that's a tad hypocritical on BB's part. They chose to bring Winson's comments into the house with the specific purpose of stirring up controversy - and then what followed was designed to cause maximum humiliation.

Holyfield was an expensive and had to tread carefully due to possibly lawsuits .

Winston wasn't so they could stick the boot in

I was wondering whether people were remembering Evander. The contrast is striking.

Comments (0.40 in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmiTmHbtw4g

Eviction (reception at 6.45, interview at 7.45)
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With Winston it was just a feeding frenzy. He's not imposing and has no fan base so he's an easy target.

The thing is that even from the point of view of supporting gay people it was counterproductive. Bigots of all stripes like to portray themselves as the victims of 'fascist lefties' and it really doesn't help to have the ageing buffoon shouted over in interviews after he's already been told that his views are 'disgusting' umpteen times.

He's not a significant political figure, whatever he believes. He has the same chance of becoming Mayor of London that I have of becoming Emperor of the Moon.

Seeing as the only hint of any potentially homophobic comments actually spoken by Winston inside the house were about him saying that he didn't want to sleep in the same bed as another man, and Emma's interview supposed to being about his experience inside the house, it's all a bit ridiculous and over the top.

Anything else was what BB were aware of before he went into the house, so therefore his interview with Emma had nothing to do with his BB experience.
Which is a ludicrous situation.
Rather than Winston's comments being deemed to be unacceptable by BB I'd say that they were very desirable indeed in respect to the line which BB wanted to pursue.

Big Brother and the eviction interview are supposed to be about what an individual's experience is like inside the bubble of the BB house. That's supposed to be the point of it.
It's meant to be about examining the behaviour of human beings inside a house sealed off from anything in the outside world.

I agree with all of this.

as much as I despise the man and his views, it is obvious the only reason for him being in there was for ch5 to bring up these quotes and use them for maximum effect.

after seeing his vt, i did wonder why the hell they were putting him in.
he is the type of person who should never be in the house in the first place.

The show is trash tv... and the producers knew fine well what they were doing bringing Winston into the house... I only watch glimpses as its a waste of time.

The sad truth is, Winston is a nobody and as such can be treat like he was.

Evander, while saying just as offensive things, and actually inside the house (something BB had to force out of Winston) was not an easy target in the way Winston was.

It is rather telling how passionate Emma apparently is about homophobia though and she didn't even question Evander on it, nor did she mention Winstons entrance VT slur. It was all focus on the drama that BB themselves created based on an old comment.

Hypocrites and bullies, all of them.

totally agree.. a shower of no character wasters who could have spoke up and said what they really believed.. as i dont for one minute think they all think gays having babies is fine...They seemed to all want to be modern and PC.. whatever that is.

Don't forget Alexander O'Neal's 'faggot' comment to Perez Hilton. I think he was given a warning, but not the character assassination Winston was subjected to.

Of course, none of this hypocrisy will bother Channel 5, it's audience figures that they are interested in.

When you put it like that Alexander O'Neal's comment inside the house was much much worse than anything Winston said in there by a long way.

Not that I think it's Emma's place to use the eviction interview as a kangaroo court to condemn anyone. Especially if it's about being a moral judge over something that a contestant said 3 years before they went into the BB house. The eviction interview is to simply ask questions about the contestant's experience in there, that's it. I don't need some BB lackey telling me what I ought to think on moral issues.

I don't need Channel 5 or silly celebrities literally educating me on what's morally right or wrong thank you very much Channel 5.

That particular time has now passed unfortunately

Ever since its been on this channel, the rule book is no longer existent as they bend the rules as they see fit and hide behind the change the rules at anytime clause

Everything that was BB as most of us knew is gone forever

Diary room conversations being private - gone
Normal nominations - All but gone
No contact with outside world - Gone
Fun and laughter - Gone

That just shows them up for the complete hypocrites and fakes they are, especially Rylan and Emma. I remember on the final BOTS of that series and Alexander was treated like some sort of minor deity, it was all "Oh, Alex, he's such a legend", even Rylan was proclaiming him to be a "legend'. And all this after the faggot comment.

In fact, I think it was because of the faggot comment that he was such a "legend". Because, of course, it was only Perez it was directed at, and the attitude throughout that series was 'Perez deserves everything he gets, bullying, homophobic abuse, it's all fair game because he asked for it'. Rylan should be forced to rewatch that show and then Fridays, I think that would force him to confront his own behaviour and double standards.

Winstons own words and I have to agree.

Part of the plan? When asked if he felt he was set up, he added of the show: 'That was their plan. They could've waited with that, they know that speaking about these issues are very emotive, in my view anyway'

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I don't think there's much else to say in response to it being set up. I mean this is BB, of course it was.
The show is totally unfair nowadays. He's not the first housemate to put his foot in it or say something stupid and suffer the consequences and he won't be the last.

One thing I'm curious about is the idea of shaming someone on what their opinions are, like they are some kind of dirty secret. I mean if I had strong opinions on something I'd be happy to express them, even if it meant being in the minority and getting shouted at.
The idea of people hiding behind their religion or faith, removing their own free will and a sense of responsibility for these views, is really strange to me.

If I was Winston I'd be like "Sorry 'bout it but this is what I think". Not "Boohoo I can't help it".

It seemed to me that she was virtue signalling.

If she genuinely cared then she would have had a problem with Evander and Alexander but she didn't. Perhaps homophobia is more of a hot topic this year or something.

Perhaps. Or perhaps big expensive American bookings are treated more leniently. Or perhaps because he was once a member of UKIP and they are seen as fair game by most of the media.

Jim Davidson has plenty of form on controversial comments/views and he went onto win. Did BB do anything similar with Jim?

No they didn't reveal to the house what Jim had said about Brian Dowling for example. But perhaps they should have, it would've been funny to see the reaction of his housemates.