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Who else thinks BB have miscalculated?
PorkchopExpress
10-01-2016
A loathsome and creepy as Winston is, a lot of people from all corners of society are seeing him as a victim while still being appalled by his views.

I don't think BB expected this and I reckon their arrogance has led them to overplay their hand.

I look forward to Emma Willia squirming when challenged on her conduct particularly.
yellowlabbie
10-01-2016
If you give it out you should expect to get it back. No sympathy from me.

Emma was probably told what questions to ask to be fair.
Fried Kickin
10-01-2016
Emma is just the mouthpiece for the earpiece she wears.

Also this time next week there will be something else that everyone is pretend upset by.
BabelBrook
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“If you give it out you should expect to get it back. No sympathy from me.

Emma was probably told what questions to ask to be fair.”

Her script was probably written as soon as he signed the contract.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
BB do what they like and don't care.
They know it will soon pass.
It would be great if everybody switched off but this won't happen. That would send
a great message to BB.
dekaf
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“A loathsome and creepy as Winston is, a lot of people from all corners of society are seeing him as a victim while still being appalled by his views.

I don't think BB expected this and I reckon their arrogance has led them to overplay their hand.

I look forward to Emma Willia squirming when challenged on her conduct particularly.”

Who's going to do that?
PorkchopExpress
10-01-2016
The press might call her out and I believe she's getting some heat in social media.
BabelBrook
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“The press might call her out and I believe she's getting some heat in social media.”

Like Rylan she can blame the trollls.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“The press might call her out and I believe she's getting some heat in social media.”

What other social media group are having ago at Emma?
An Thropologist
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by dekaf:
“Who's going to do that?”

Beat me to it.
PorkchopExpress
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Wainy84:
“What other social media group are having ago at Emma?”

Eh? Sorry, I don't understand the question.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress:
“Eh? Sorry, I don't understand the question.”

Sorry. I thought she was getting some heat on facebook, twitter aswell.
Penny Crayon
10-01-2016
i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.
dekaf
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.”

Good post. Well said Penny.

I think it's disgraceful how they, all of them, have acted.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.”

I like your post too.
DiamondDoll
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“Emma is just the mouthpiece for the earpiece she wears.

Also this time next week there will be something else that everyone is pretend upset by.”

In a nutshell.

All publicity is good publicity for Ch5.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“Emma is just the mouthpiece for the earpiece she wears.

Also this time next week there will be something else that everyone is pretend upset by.”

It was her attitude aswell.
nattoyaki
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“Her script was probably written as soon as he signed the contract.”

Yep.

Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.”

Many very good points here. For me it's the most blatant exploitation/manipulation ever - and as you say not just of Winston - they really did a number on John and that other gay chap. I don't watch BBOTS anymore and read he didn't handle it well either, but what a position to put Rylan in!

It's the biggest slap in the face for the public I've ever known from BB, setting it up like that and thinking we're stupid enough not to see it. I'm staggered.
An Thropologist
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.”

Good post Penny. I do hope this proves to be a watershed moment. We might get back to a BB that is rather more organic in its approach to drama.

As an aside - A pot that stirs from the inside would be brilliant for jam making.
Penny Crayon
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Wainy84:
“BB do what they like and don't care.
They know it will soon pass.
It would be great if everybody switched off but this won't happen. That would send
a great message to BB.”

Will it pass for Winston though? I know people are viewing him as arrogant and full of self importance. I'll be honest - I don't think he is at all.

He's clearly not very bright and all that posturing is a front. Someone probably once told him that Gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and he's just accepted that and never questioned it.

It disturbs me somewhat that he spoke last night about his mother stopping him from committing suicide - I'm not sure just how mentally stable he is. He has lived his life on the McKenzie boxing name (in the area that he's from and in the boxing fraternity) he struts around like Mr Big - in reality he knows that he really wasn't very successful in the ring - his two brothers were far superior boxers.

I don't think he's a very mentally strong person - I don't think this 'episode' will help him at all.

Maybe I'm over thinking but BB should be careful woth people's 'lives'.
Wainy84
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Will it pass for Winston though? I know people are viewing him as arrogant and full of self importance. I'll be honest - I don't think he is at all.

He's clearly not very bright and all that posturing is a front. Someone probably once told him that Gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and he's just accepted that and never questioned it.

It disturbs me somewhat that he spoke last night about his mother stopping him from committing suicide - I'm not sure just how mentally stable he is. He has lived his life on the McKenzie boxing name (in the area that he's from and in the boxing fraternity) he struts around like Mr Big - in reality he knows that he really wasn't very successful in the ring - his two brothers were far superior boxers.

I don't think he's a very mentally strong person - I don't think this 'episode' will help him at all.

Maybe I'm over thinking but BB should be careful woth people's 'lives'.”

I agree.
I meant that BB will think it will soon pass. The bad press.
An Thropologist
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Will it pass for Winston though? I know people are viewing him as arrogant and full of self importance. I'll be honest - I don't think he is at all.

He's clearly not very bright and all that posturing is a front. Someone probably once told him that Gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and he's just accepted that and never questioned it.

It disturbs me somewhat that he spoke last night about his mother stopping him from committing suicide - I'm not sure just how mentally stable he is. He has lived his life on the McKenzie boxing name (in the area that he's from and in the boxing fraternity) he struts around like Mr Big - in reality he knows that he really wasn't very successful in the ring - his two brothers were far superior boxers.

I don't think he's a very mentally strong person - I don't think this 'episode' will help him at all.

Maybe I'm over thinking but BB should be careful woth people's 'lives'.”

That is more or less the point Wonkey Donkey got to and why (if I read her explaination properly) she she could no longer watch the show in good conscience.

I too think they ride roughshod over people's lives. Winston is far from the first. I think they were cavallier and wreckless with many HMs before such as Linda Nolan, Hazel O Sullivan, Wolfie the list goes on.

Sure they have some idea of what they are getting into, Although they possibly don't know how they are going to be manipulated. And of course they get well paid for CBB. I am not sure that justifies the practise though.

It is one thing putting people into a testing and stressful environment and seeing how it plays out. It is quite another to seek out their Achilles heel or barely healed wounds and pick at them.

If a programme was aiired in which the physical wellbeing of people was sacrificed in the name of entertainment, I suspect there would be uproar. Yet playing fast and lose with their mental welfare seems to be acceptable.
BlueStreak
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“i think BB have over played their hand on this one. The blatant/deliberate manipulation is plain for all to see . Of course it's always gone on to some extent but it has been stirring the pot from the inside. This was clearly set up from the start - they ensured his quip about 'keeping his back against the wall' was given an airing and discussed and then they bought up stuff said three or four years ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with events/relationships within the house.

It has certainly opened my eyes. I love Emma and Rylan but to some extent they too have been used here - both of them were attacking the guy for something that was in no way related to BB itself. I hope given time they'll see this. They may well abhor his stance on Gay adoption etc. but - it was well known before he was invited onto the show. He hadn't bought it up nor had he been offensive towards the two gay men in the house.

This was a step too far IMO.”

Good post Penny. One I wholeheartedly agree with.

BlueStreak
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“That is more or less the point Wonkey Donkey got to and why (if I read her explaination properly) she she could no longer watch the show in good conscience.

I too think they ride roughshod over people's lives. Winston is far from the first. I think they were cavallier and wreckless with many HMs before such as Linda Nolan, Hazel O Sullivan, Wolfie the list goes on.

Sure they have some idea of what they are getting into, Although they possibly don't know how they are going to be manipulated. And of course they get well paid for CBB. I am not sure that justifies the practise though.

It is one thing putting people into a testing and stressful environment and seeing how it plays out. It is quite another to seek out their Achilles heel or barely healed wonds and pick at them.

If a programme was aiired in which the physical wellbeing of people was sacrificed in the name of entertainment, I suspect there would be uproar. Yet playing fast and lose with their mental welfare seems to be acceptable.”

Another good post. I totally agree with you.

Penny Crayon
10-01-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“That is more or less the point Wonkey Donkey got to and why (if I read her explaination properly) she she could no longer watch the show in good conscience.

I too think they ride roughshod over people's lives. Winston is far from the first. I think they were cavallier and wreckless with many HMs before such as Linda Nolan, Hazel O Sullivan, Wolfie the list goes on.

Sure they have some idea of what they are getting into, Although they possibly don't know how they are going to be manipulated. And of course they get well paid for CBB. I am not sure that justifies the practise though.

It is one thing putting people into a testing and stressful environment and seeing how it plays out. It is quite another to seek out their Achilles heel or barely healed wounds and pick at them.

If a programme was aiired in which the physical wellbeing of people was sacrificed in the name of entertainment, I suspect there would be uproar. Yet playing fast and lose with their mental welfare seems to be acceptable.”

We lost such a fantastic and wise poster in WD. I do miss her input on here.
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