I've noticed, rewatching, Series 9 had like a blue tinge to it and series 8 like gold I know this is kinda irrelavant but I actually wonder what Colour Palett they'll use next, what do you think?
What Colour Pallet do you think Series 10 will be?
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As someone who worked as a BBC Television "colourist" for many years (although sadly never on Doctor Who!), it could be no more significant than the fact that the two series were graded by different people, rather than a deliberate stylistic decision.
A lot depends on how it's lit in the first place of course, and as I think I'm right in saying that the directors of photography varied throughout both series, if there was any consistency in the colour "palette" used, it was all achieved in post production.
If they were aiming for a lighter tone generally in every respect on series 9 compared with series 8, I would have expected a warmer look on the latter rather than a colder look. If it was the other way around I would be surprised if it was deliberate.
The post production colour grading is usually overseen by the DoP and/or the director, who were different on different episodes. Sometimes there is an edict from the series producers to go for a particular "look" but I doubt if that was the case here.
A lot depends on how it's lit in the first place of course, and as I think I'm right in saying that the directors of photography varied throughout both series, if there was any consistency in the colour "palette" used, it was all achieved in post production.
If they were aiming for a lighter tone generally in every respect on series 9 compared with series 8, I would have expected a warmer look on the latter rather than a colder look. If it was the other way around I would be surprised if it was deliberate.
The post production colour grading is usually overseen by the DoP and/or the director, who were different on different episodes. Sometimes there is an edict from the series producers to go for a particular "look" but I doubt if that was the case here.
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“As someone who worked as a BBC Television "colourist" for many years (although sadly never on Doctor Who!), it could be no more significant than the fact that the two series were graded by different people, rather than a deliberate stylistic decision.
A lot depends on how it's lit in the first place of course, and as I think I'm right in saying that the directors of photography varied throughout both series, if there was any consistency in the colour "palette" used, it was all achieved in post production.
If they were aiming for a lighter tone generally in every respect on series 9 compared with series 8, I would have expected a warmer look on the latter rather than a colder look. If it was the other way around I would be surprised if it was deliberate.
The post production colour grading is usually overseen by the DoP and/or the director, who were different on different episodes. Sometimes there is an edict from the series producers to go for a particular "look" but I doubt if that was the case here.
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“As someone who worked as a BBC Television "colourist" for many years (although sadly never on Doctor Who!), it could be no more significant than the fact that the two series were graded by different people, rather than a deliberate stylistic decision.
A lot depends on how it's lit in the first place of course, and as I think I'm right in saying that the directors of photography varied throughout both series, if there was any consistency in the colour "palette" used, it was all achieved in post production.
If they were aiming for a lighter tone generally in every respect on series 9 compared with series 8, I would have expected a warmer look on the latter rather than a colder look. If it was the other way around I would be surprised if it was deliberate.
The post production colour grading is usually overseen by the DoP and/or the director, who were different on different episodes. Sometimes there is an edict from the series producers to go for a particular "look" but I doubt if that was the case here.
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Oooh, also you worked as a colourist how was it like?
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“Very good indeed years ago, not so great in the latter years (I retired in 2009).
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“Very good indeed years ago, not so great in the latter years (I retired in 2009).
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Wow Cool did you get anything when you left like any merchandise?
Don't want to worry people, but they're in pre production at the moment, and a source has told me that the Sixth Doctor's costume has been mysteriously removed from the Cardiff Bay exhibition.....
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“Don't want to worry people, but they're in pre production at the moment, and a source has told me that the Sixth Doctor's costume has been mysteriously removed from the Cardiff Bay exhibition.....”
“Don't want to worry people, but they're in pre production at the moment, and a source has told me that the Sixth Doctor's costume has been mysteriously removed from the Cardiff Bay exhibition.....”
Oh thats a good sign, lets hope filming starts soon like end of Feb or beginning of March.
We could yet see a full series that ends say the week before Christmas! Or even ending with a Christmas day final!
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“I've noticed, rewatching, Series 9 had like a blue tinge to it and series 8 like gold I know this is kinda irrelavant but I actually wonder what Colour Palett they'll use next, what do you think?”
“I've noticed, rewatching, Series 9 had like a blue tinge to it and series 8 like gold I know this is kinda irrelavant but I actually wonder what Colour Palett they'll use next, what do you think?”
I always saw it as the other way around myself - apart from the opening credits of course. Series 8 had a lot of blue, whilst Series 9 was a lot more...dusty...almost beige or something? Just my observations as someone who has worked in colour grading a little bit (though in photography rather than TV production or anything) - it's always fascinating to hear what different people take from the same product/series.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“Don't want to worry people, but they're in pre production at the moment, and a source has told me that the Sixth Doctor's costume has been mysteriously removed from the Cardiff Bay exhibition.....”
“Don't want to worry people, but they're in pre production at the moment, and a source has told me that the Sixth Doctor's costume has been mysteriously removed from the Cardiff Bay exhibition.....”
No doubt a revival of the gay agenda, with all those inevitable rainbows
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“Wow Cool did you get anything when you left like any merchandise?”
“Wow Cool did you get anything when you left like any merchandise?”
Sadly no!
How about a natural pallet instead of this need today to desaturate or change colour in picture for movies and TV shows. It gets on my nerves when they do this.
Originally Posted by pferreira:
“How about a natural pallet instead of this need today to desaturate or change colour in picture for movies and TV shows. It gets on my nerves when they do this.”
“How about a natural pallet instead of this need today to desaturate or change colour in picture for movies and TV shows. It gets on my nerves when they do this.”
I would like a natural no pallet too but they like coating it in paint for some reason now but since were stuck with it I'd like it to be orangey.
I remember Dallas season 10 (1986/87) was positively yellow. There were even letters read on on the BBC's Points of View programme about it.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.
Off topic, but the Dallas issue was caused by suddenly having to buy the episodes from the States on videotape instead of film.
When it was film the BBC ran the films live to air and graded them on the fly, and we just made them look as natural as we could.
When the Americans stopped making them (and other series too) as complete films, we had to have converted video tapes which looked generally awful, not just the grading!
Tape grading was very primitive compared with film grading in those days, but some were so bad we had to try and correct them. A prime example was Twin Peaks, where all the episodes were horribly red, and we had to take at least some if it out!
When it was film the BBC ran the films live to air and graded them on the fly, and we just made them look as natural as we could.
When the Americans stopped making them (and other series too) as complete films, we had to have converted video tapes which looked generally awful, not just the grading!
Tape grading was very primitive compared with film grading in those days, but some were so bad we had to try and correct them. A prime example was Twin Peaks, where all the episodes were horribly red, and we had to take at least some if it out!
That was it! I knew it was something to do with video tapes but couldn't recall what it was. Well remembered Dave-H!
I believe Dallas season 10 also inspired Matt Groening's original concept art for The Simpsons
I believe Dallas season 10 also inspired Matt Groening's original concept art for The Simpsons
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I remember Dallas season 10 (1986/87) was positively yellow. There were even letters read on on the BBC's Points of View programme about it.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.”
“I remember Dallas season 10 (1986/87) was positively yellow. There were even letters read on on the BBC's Points of View programme about it.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.”
I think lighter and brighter too, but not blinding bright just so it dosen't seem so like Grandma just died.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I remember Dallas season 10 (1986/87) was positively yellow. There were even letters read on on the BBC's Points of View programme about it.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.”
“I remember Dallas season 10 (1986/87) was positively yellow. There were even letters read on on the BBC's Points of View programme about it.
Turns out it was something technical to do with the transfer of each episode from the US format to the UK format or something. Anyone, it was a technical issue rather than a style choice. But goodness that whole season was SO yellow.
For season 10 of Doctor Who - not sure about a colour, but certainly lighter and brighter. They're not going to win back those 1.5m viewers with another gloomy looking season like 2015.”
This is off topic also, but is slightly relevant to the OP's question. I remember when I watched both Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows movies, the picture looked darker than the other HP movies, plus a bit misty.
Dunno if the director wanted that look deliberately, but I found it difficult to watch at times.
Shame to end the Harry Potter film series like that.
Originally Posted by tiggerpooh:
“This is off topic also, but is slightly relevant to the OP's question. I remember when I watched both Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows movies, the picture looked darker than the other HP movies, plus a bit misty.
Dunno if the director wanted that look deliberately, but I found it difficult to watch at times.
Shame to end the Harry Potter film series like that.”
“This is off topic also, but is slightly relevant to the OP's question. I remember when I watched both Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows movies, the picture looked darker than the other HP movies, plus a bit misty.
Dunno if the director wanted that look deliberately, but I found it difficult to watch at times.
Shame to end the Harry Potter film series like that.
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The Harry Potter films gradually got tonally darker as they went along, not just in terms of plotting but in terms of colour pallet. You only need to look at the film logos to see that representation - they gradually went from vivid gold, to silver, to a dull stone grey, to a dark black stone hue.
In an old photography job of mine, it was a bit of a well established daft joke that there was secretly a ninth Harry Potter film but nobody could find it as it was too dark to see.
In reflection I think the Harry Potter series is a complete mess. Stunning actor assemblage, but otherwise it's all over the place. The first film really frustrates with its "holy cricket!" approach to being British, not helped by young actors who hadn't come into their own. Whilst the later films got darker, but in a way that felt like they were constantly trying to replicate the success of Alfonso Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban - generally regarded as the strongest and most visually stunning in the series - rather than actually carve out their own identity.
I don't rate David Yates at all as a director. He directed the final four films in the series and there is something very conservatively bland about them. They lost the magic of the earlier films and Hogwarts felt like any old boarding school for the middle classes. Not to have a rant about that
I was disappointed when he was confirmed for the new Fantastic Beasts film as well.Someone once suggested him on a thread here though as an ideal candidate for directing an episode of Doctor Who. I really don't think he'd be anything special beyond being a slightly familiar name to some.
Originally Posted by Abomination:
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Someone once suggested him on a thread here though as an ideal candidate for directing an episode of Doctor Who. I really don't think he'd be anything special beyond being a slightly familiar name to some.”
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Someone once suggested him on a thread here though as an ideal candidate for directing an episode of Doctor Who. I really don't think he'd be anything special beyond being a slightly familiar name to some.”
Yates himself maybe? He did announce he was making a Doctor Who movie a few years ago.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Yates himself maybe? He did announce he was making a Doctor Who movie a few years ago.”
“Yates himself maybe? He did announce he was making a Doctor Who movie a few years ago.”
As a seperate issue, I think I completely repressed that notion from my memory
Originally Posted by Abomination:
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In reflection I think the Harry Potter series is a complete mess. Stunning actor assemblage, but otherwise it's all over the place. The first film really frustrates with its "holy cricket!" approach to being British, not helped by young actors who hadn't come into their own. Whilst the later films got darker, but in a way that felt like they were constantly trying to replicate the success of Alfonso Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban - generally regarded as the strongest and most visually stunning in the series - rather than actually carve out their own identity.
I don't rate David Yates at all as a director. He directed the final four films in the series and there is something very conservatively bland about them. They lost the magic of the earlier films and Hogwarts felt like any old boarding school for the middle classes. Not to have a rant about that I was disappointed when he was confirmed for the new Fantastic Beasts film as well.
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In reflection I think the Harry Potter series is a complete mess. Stunning actor assemblage, but otherwise it's all over the place. The first film really frustrates with its "holy cricket!" approach to being British, not helped by young actors who hadn't come into their own. Whilst the later films got darker, but in a way that felt like they were constantly trying to replicate the success of Alfonso Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban - generally regarded as the strongest and most visually stunning in the series - rather than actually carve out their own identity.
I don't rate David Yates at all as a director. He directed the final four films in the series and there is something very conservatively bland about them. They lost the magic of the earlier films and Hogwarts felt like any old boarding school for the middle classes. Not to have a rant about that
I was disappointed when he was confirmed for the new Fantastic Beasts film as well.”
Totally agree. Yates decisions on the movies were plain weird and made no sense.
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