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Old 15-11-2016, 14:08
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Problem with that is, whatever spin they put on it, doesn't change that it was Lachlan who pulled the trigger, so even if they find evidence of her framing Andy, it won't get Lachlan off the hook - unless she falls on her sword and says it was her that did it....
It almost makes you wonder why they didn't just say Larry was showing Lucky how to clean the gun and it went off accidentally in t'first place.

Except that sl wouldn't really have filled at least 50 eps for them and the writers might actually have been required to write a decent sl.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:14
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Too many characters are just boring me now, Jai will forever be an absolute misery. Its amazing how the drug addict psychopath who locks people up in a human container can look down on someone like Rakesh (Who is only in this mess because he loves his son).

Diane, Jai, Kerry, Chas, Robert, Zak and Joanie can all do one.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:14
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It almost makes you wonder why they didn't just say Larry was showing Lucky how to clean the gun and it went off accidentally in t'first place.

Except that sl wouldn't really have filled at least 50 eps for them and the writers might actually have been required to write a decent sl.
Indeed - and wouldn't have included a handy reason for Andy to do a runner so they could temporarily write him out.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:17
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It almost makes you wonder why they didn't just say Larry was showing Lucky how to clean the gun and it went off accidentally in t'first place.

Except that sl wouldn't really have filled at least 50 eps for them and the writers might actually have been required to write a decent sl.
They couldn't really have done that though, since Lawrence was not on speaking terms with Lachlan and Chrissie up to the time of the shooting.
He only got on board with the framing of Andy when he found out about Andy sleeping with Bernice, making him just as culpable as Chrissie and Lachlan. Luckily we have Saint Rebecca who can see that all this is Chrissie's doing to stir up some extra drama.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:27
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They couldn't really have done that though, since Lawrence was not on speaking terms with Lachlan and Chrissie up to the time of the shooting.
He only got on board with the framing of Andy when he found out about Andy sleeping with Bernice, making him just as culpable as Chrissie and Lachlan. Luckily we have Saint Rebecca who can see that all this is Chrissie's doing to stir up some extra drama.
The police didn't know or care about that though. Lawrence goes to hospital with gunshot wound, hospital are obliged to report to Police, Chrissie explains the 'terrible accident', end of sl surely? Whatever family problems there were, none of them would've wanted any of their kin to be locked up over a simple accident.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:47
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The police didn't know or care about that though. Lawrence goes to hospital with gunshot wound, hospital are obliged to report to Police, Chrissie explains the 'terrible accident', end of sl surely? Whatever family problems there were, none of them would've wanted any of their kin to be locked up over a simple accident.
I guess that might have worked.

Would Lawrence have got behind that though, without the revenge on Andy in his mind?
That is what pushed him to corroborate Chrissie's story in the first place.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:52
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I guess that might have worked.

Would Lawrence have got behind that though, without the revenge on Andy in his mind?
That is what pushed him to corroborate Chrissie's story in the first place.
I thought it was more that they were desperate to protect Lachlan, (or Lawrence was) rather then revenge on Andy/Bernice - I know Chrissie wanted revenge but Lawrence didn't seem so bothered until Chrissie started laying it on to protect Lachlan...?
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:52
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I guess that might have worked.

Would Lawrence have got behind that though, without the revenge on Andy in his mind?
That is what pushed him to corroborate Chrissie's story in the first place.
Tbh I think it was more that Chrissie pushed him into corroborating it by guilt-tripping him into believing Lucky would be locked up and the key thrown away because of his unsavoury past if he didn't. Revenge on Andy was maybe an added bonus. All totally stupid whichever way you look at it.
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Old 15-11-2016, 14:54
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I thought it was more that they were desperate to protect Lachlan, (or Lawrence was) rather then revenge on Andy/Bernice - I know Chrissie wanted revenge but Lawrence didn't seem so bothered until Chrissie started laying it on to protect Lachlan...?
Tbh I think it was more that Chrissie pushed him into corroborating it by guilt-tripping him into believing Lucky would be locked up and the key thrown away because of his unsavoury past if he didn't. Revenge on Andy was maybe an added bonus. All totally stupid whichever way you look at it.
Ah, I did not remember that bit.

Still, I was enjoying the story until Rebecca showed up anyhow.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:15
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The biggest plot hole in this hole in this story was the part where chrissie screamed in his face that she had framed him for sleeping with Bernice. This was pure plot device which would never have happened for someone as cunning as she now is, from a character point of view all it did was put Lachlan in danger of being caught which is the one thing she was trying no to do. And without that confession any never would have figured out she framed him and wouldn't have grassed on Lachlan as he wanted to protect chrissie.

The whole Andy and chrissie was all plot device anyway and changed chrissie from my favourite character to my least favourite, watching her chase Andy around in stockings desperate for him and slobbering all over him for months on end was too cringey to bring her back from for me.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:19
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The biggest plot hole in this hole in this story was the part where chrissie screamed in his face that she had framed him for sleeping with Bernice. This was pure plot device which would never have happened for someone as cunning as she now is, from a character point of view all it did was put Lachlan in danger of being caught which is the one thing she was trying no to do. And without that confession any never would have figured out she framed him and wouldn't have grassed on Lachlan as he wanted to protect chrissie.

The whole Andy and chrissie was all plot device anyway and changed chrissie from my favourite character to my least favourite, watching her chase Andy around in stockings desperate for him and slobbering all over him for months on end was too cringey to bring her back from for me.
Couldn't agree more. I understand that any Soap or work of fiction, by definition, has to be a 'plot device' but there are ways and means and I don't expect the characters to go around practically wearing post-it notes on their foreheads screaming PLOT DEVICE in my face every night.
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Old 15-11-2016, 15:31
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Couldn't agree more. I understand that any Soap or work of fiction, by definition, has to be a 'plot device' but there are ways and means and I don't expect the characters to go around practically wearing post-it notes on their foreheads screaming PLOT DEVICE in my face every night.
Exactly, we can forgive plot devices such as people over hearing things to progress the story, as this is need to move the narrative at a reasonable pace. But the unforgivable one are like I listed which just make absolute no sense with in the context of the story. Similar to Diane throwing rock threw a window, what was her motivation or logic.

The one than annoys me at the minute is one that doesn't even progress any story and makes no sense whatsoever is the Barton brothers taxi firm. A taxi firm based in a remote village, with only three drivers one of which needs to be on the switchboard and two of the drivers have full time jobs elswhere while also juggling fatherhood and a social life. How much does this firm make then? Enough to cover the licences, not even close!.

If it takes minutes to deconstruct your stories then they should be hiring more talented writers,
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Old 15-11-2016, 16:10
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Exactly, we can forgive plot devices such as people over hearing things to progress the story, as this is need to move the narrative at a reasonable pace. But the unforgivable one are like I listed which just make absolute no sense with in the context of the story. Similar to Diane throwing rock threw a window, what was her motivation or logic.

The one than annoys me at the minute is one that doesn't even progress any story and makes no sense whatsoever is the Barton brothers taxi firm. A taxi firm based in a remote village, with only three drivers one of which needs to be on the switchboard and two of the drivers have full time jobs elswhere while also juggling fatherhood and a social life. How much does this firm make then? Enough to cover the licences, not even close!.

If it takes minutes to deconstruct your stories then they should be hiring more talented writers,
Absolutely - they should hire Kwynne!!

Last night's wall-to-wall Kerry has put me off watching at all. I might just read Kwynne's synopses for the rest of the week as I'm sure Kerry's going to be all over it every night.
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Old 15-11-2016, 17:38
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If enough people want next weeks spoilers from Soaplife I will provide them if really necessary , goodness knows where the ITV spoilers have gone.

Soaplife Spoilers for the week of Mon 28 Nov - 2 Dec ( yes your not seeing thing december already)

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With just a tidge of me
Thanks for the spoilers kwynne.

Sounds Ok, but seriously, I cannot believe

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Too many characters are just boring me now, Jai will forever be an absolute misery. Its amazing how the drug addict psychopath who locks people up in a human container can look down on someone like Rakesh (Who is only in this mess because he loves his son).

Diane, Jai, Kerry, Chas, Robert, Zak and Joanie can all do one.
All of those, yep. I usually like Diane, but this stuff is tosh. I liked Jai with Holly, but it was way too brief before we defaulted back to "bulldog chewing wasp" setting. Used to love Kerry, but they are making her a miserable unfunny cow.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:00
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According gto the 28 new spoiler pics and their blurb in DS
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:02
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According gto the 28 new spoiler pics and their blurb in DS
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What is that?
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:06
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Agency work, means your not guaranteed a wage. It's a ways making sure your work force have no legal rights
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:09
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They are contracts where no hours are guaranteed, they just get in touch when you are needed. You could be working 1 or you could be working 10. Also means you can't paid for overtime.

They are very unpopular. The opposition in parliament is always going on about it when they are criticising the government
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:10
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They are contracts where no hours are guaranteed, they just get in touch when you are needed. You could be working 1 or you could be working 10. Also means you can't paid for overtime.

They are very unpopular. The opposition in parliament is always going on about it when they are criticising the government
Liseh is already on it but she gets paid
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:11
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Liseh is already on it but she gets paid
As is Laurel. And everyone except Kerry at the moment. Can't see why it is unpopular with them
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:13
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They are contracts where no hours are guaranteed, they just get in touch when you are needed. You could be working 1 or you could be working 10. Also means you can't paid for overtime.

They are very unpopular. The opposition in parliament is always going on about it when they are criticising the government
Oh hell that sounds terrible, sounds like a good topical issue to cover though.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:28
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Oh hell that sounds terrible, sounds like a good topical issue to cover though.
There disgusting Mark I quit my job about six weeks ago. I was on a 40 a week hour contract doing earlier Monday-Friday so with hindsight it was a dumb move.

But the company use to employ people on these contracts they would get the bus into work for night shift and when they got in they would be told at the time the shift was due to start sorry don't need to today you can go home and not get paid a penny somtheymwould have lost money getting there, and to add insult to injury there was no night bus home.

Also they would contact you on your day off and expect you to come in for a sift and if they refused they would be punished by not getting any shifts for a few weeks.

The people that invented them are utter scum.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:28
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I notice tonight was The Hat's first written episode. And what a pile of tripe it was.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:30
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There disgusting Mark I quit my job about six weeks ago. I was on a 40 a week hour contract doing earlier Monday-Friday so with hindsight it was a dumb move.

But the company use to employ people on these contracts they would get the bus into work for night shift and when they got in they would be told at the time the shift was due to start sorry don't need to today you can go home and not get paid a penny somtheymwould have lost money getting there, and to add insult to injury there was no night bus home.

Also they would contact you on your day off and expect you to come in for a sift and if they refused they would be punished by not getting any shifts for a few weeks.

The people that invented them are utter scum.
That sounds terrible, I would think there would be laws against that type of thing.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:30
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Agency work, means your not guaranteed a wage. It's a ways making sure your work force have no legal rights
Not to worry, they've got Rishi on their side who quite clearly knows absolutely nothing whatsoever about Employment Law.
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