Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“I loathe Ashley.”
“I loathe Ashley.”
I can't really get past his abuse of Sandy. Same goes for Thugden
Emmerdale - Past and Present (Part 10)
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Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.
”
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.
”
I'll have to totally disagree with you on that
What Ashley did to Sandy was abuse.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.”
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.
”
This is probably really awful, but the dog-murderer thing (and cat-murderer for Cain) always makes me laugh. We Brits, no one touches our animals.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wasn't watching ED during the time Ashley had his breakdown, so it doesn't hang heavy on my mind. But I can see why it would for others.
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.”
“Tbh, I think the Ash/Sandy thing was all blown totally out of proportion on here with silly ott terms such as 'father-beater' etc. Of course what he did was wrong, but he didn't 'beat' him - he shouted at him a few times and lashed out once at a time when he was under great stress for one reason or another, and at a man he had never had a good relationship with. Even Sandy recognises that and bears no grudge. Unfortunately it's just the way DS works - hell, some fms will never stop (incorrectly) calling Laurel 'dog murderer'.
Poor Tray was very hard done by with the Laurel/Moron thing, through absolutely no fault of his own, (hence Laurel came crawling back soon enough). I won't hear a word against him.
”
What got me was Ashley's neglect of Sandy when he was supposed to be his carer. But Sandy was also partly to blame for that since he could not admit to needing help.
He was left in bed all day where he wet the bed and that was heartbreaking for me.
I know people say that it was an excuse to get Laurel to fall for Marlon but I don't remember it like that. Hadn't she already moved in with Marlon when they found out?
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I'll have to totally disagree with you on that
What Ashley did to Sandy was abuse.”
“I'll have to totally disagree with you on that
What Ashley did to Sandy was abuse.”
I know, I said it was wrong - of course it was - but it's not what defines Ash as a character. It didn't suddenly make him a bad or irredeemable person. Anyone who has ever had to deal 24/7, without help, with an ageing relative whose faculties are failing and are becoming a serious danger to themselves and others knows how hard it is to behave like a saint.
(Of course it was yet another short term sl anyway - the lovely Sandeh has gone from peeing the bed, flooding the house and generally losing his marbles, to being pretty much back to his previous chipper self with all his mental faculties intact again. It's a miracle I tells you!!)
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“I know, I said it was wrong - of course it was - but it's not what defines Ash as a character. It didn't suddenly make him a bad or irredeemable person. Anyone who has ever had to deal 24/7, without help, with an ageing relative whose faculties are failing and are becoming a serious danger to themselves and others knows how hard it is to behave like a saint.
(Of course it was yet another short term sl anyway - the lovely Sandeh has gone from peeing the bed, flooding the house and generally losing his marbles, to being pretty much back to his previous chipper self with all his mental faculties intact again. It's a miracle I tells you!!)”
“I know, I said it was wrong - of course it was - but it's not what defines Ash as a character. It didn't suddenly make him a bad or irredeemable person. Anyone who has ever had to deal 24/7, without help, with an ageing relative whose faculties are failing and are becoming a serious danger to themselves and others knows how hard it is to behave like a saint.
(Of course it was yet another short term sl anyway - the lovely Sandeh has gone from peeing the bed, flooding the house and generally losing his marbles, to being pretty much back to his previous chipper self with all his mental faculties intact again. It's a miracle I tells you!!)
”
I grudgingly have to agree with this
This is exactly what annoys me about soaps. Characters that commit despicable acts are always redeemable if they're long term
I understand I kind of have to suspend disbelief and believe that people can change but I don't like it
I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I grudgingly have to agree with this
This is exactly what annoys me about soaps. Characters that commit despicable acts are always redeemable if they're long term
I understand I kind of have to suspend disbelief and believe that people can change but I don't like it”
“I grudgingly have to agree with this
This is exactly what annoys me about soaps. Characters that commit despicable acts are always redeemable if they're long term
I understand I kind of have to suspend disbelief and believe that people can change but I don't like it
”
I don't like it either, sorch but unfortunately these days, holding a grudge against any character is pretty much the death knell for your enjoyment of soaps. Sooner or later, for new plot devices, they will all do things which go against the grain of what you thought you've always 'known' about them and all you can do is go with the flow or say 'this is ridiculous' and switch off
I go with the flow for now, purely because there's nowt else to watch between 7 - 8pm of an evening, but I live in hope.
Originally Posted by EG21:
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
Great post EG, couldn't agree more.
Originally Posted by EG21:
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
Your post is a very thought provoking and well written but bib you just need to accept people have differing views.
Don't get me started on Robert either. Just because he wasn't mentioned in this context about the laughable redeeming of his character doesn't mean people don't think that's ridiculous..
I haven't been able to really like Ashley as a character since then and I don't think that I need to justify why.
You are of course entitled to disagree with me.
There's no doubt however that John Middleton is a wonderful actor.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Your post is a very thought provoking and well written but bib you just need to accept people have differing views.
Don't get me started on Robert either. Just because he wasn't mentioned in this context about the laughable redeeming of his character doesn't mean people don't think that's ridiculous..
I haven't been able to really like Ashley as a character since then and I don't think that I need to justify why.
You are of course entitled to disagree with me.
There's no doubt however that John Middleton is a wonderful actor.”
“Your post is a very thought provoking and well written but bib you just need to accept people have differing views.
Don't get me started on Robert either. Just because he wasn't mentioned in this context about the laughable redeeming of his character doesn't mean people don't think that's ridiculous..
I haven't been able to really like Ashley as a character since then and I don't think that I need to justify why.
You are of course entitled to disagree with me.
There's no doubt however that John Middleton is a wonderful actor.”
Not at all - Everyone is entitled to their opinion
I know what you mean
I think the way I've worded it comes across differently to what I mean!
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“I don't agree tbh, sheepie. Long-running slow burners like this can't dominate every ep - people get bored too easily. These things go on for years irl and not every day's a nightmare. People have perfectly normal spells for periods of time - they don't usually go from diagnosis to gibbering wreck overnight, so I think it's perfectly realistic. (And as viewers, we know the sl goes on until at least the end of the year, so there's more than enough time to show his ongoing and inevitable decline).”
“I don't agree tbh, sheepie. Long-running slow burners like this can't dominate every ep - people get bored too easily. These things go on for years irl and not every day's a nightmare. People have perfectly normal spells for periods of time - they don't usually go from diagnosis to gibbering wreck overnight, so I think it's perfectly realistic. (And as viewers, we know the sl goes on until at least the end of the year, so there's more than enough time to show his ongoing and inevitable decline).”
Yep - that's fair enough - but I've not encountered anyone with dementia - therefore I'm not aware that people have "perfectly normal spells" - and the show hasn't exactly clarified that for me either......................
Wouldn't take much in the narrative to the flesh that point out a bit eh?
Originally Posted by EG21:
“Not at all - Everyone is entitled to their opinion
I know what you mean I think the way I've worded it comes across differently to what I mean!”
“Not at all - Everyone is entitled to their opinion
I know what you mean
I think the way I've worded it comes across differently to what I mean!”
Your post was actually so eloquent it did actually make me think was I being completely unfair too
I think it was a very difficult subject matter for them to tackle to be fair.
Originally Posted by EG21:
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
“I understand why people can't get past Ashley abusing Sandy. What he did was terrible but he did everything he could to win back the trust of everyone. I don't think Ashley is a bad person in anyway.
Let's not forget - Ashley went through the heartache of losing baby Daniel, the whole baby swap, getting raped by Sally, Laurel cheating on him with Marlon... it's no wonder he eventually flipped. Sandy wasn't exactly innocent in the whole thing either - he undermined Ashley a lot, said a lot of harsh things against him about him not being a real man etc and it all boiled up.
The thing with Ashley is he does wrong but he sees the errors of his ways and tries to rectify it.
A lot of people have been commenting on his anger still boiling up but I do think this is part of the Dementia. People are saying his dementia seems to have disappeared but look at the way he instantly accused Laurel of drinking again, the way he shouted at Gabby. Like John Middleton says, Ashley has lost his filter so he just goes straight in all guns blazing instead of taking the time to think.
I think John's Middleton is a credit to Emmerdale. He can produce an array of emotion on screen.
I do laugh that people think Ashley isn't redeemable after what he did to Sandy yet think Robert has been redeemed into a Saint when he has done FAR worse things than Ashley has ever done.”
BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut”
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut
”
I preferred his hair longer and when he worked on the farm, like a silver Poldark
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut”
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut
”
That alone should be enough to redeem him, really.
No, I jest. Like I said, I totally get why people would have been put off his character. But I actually think his dark past adds an extra layer of tragedy to the story - he's a man with only a limited amount of time to put right any wrongs he's done, and make good.
He's honestly one of my fave things on the show right now.
Originally Posted by thejoyof_pat:
“I preferred his hair longer and when he worked on the farm, like a silver Poldark”
“I preferred his hair longer and when he worked on the farm, like a silver Poldark
”
Amazing.
Did he do topless scything?
Originally Posted by thejoyof_pat:
“I preferred his hair longer and when he worked on the farm, like a silver Poldark”
“I preferred his hair longer and when he worked on the farm, like a silver Poldark
”
Poldark - Robin Ellis - drool
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Amazing.
Did he do topless scything?”
“Amazing.
Did he do topless scything?”
I think it happened, he's seems the type.
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“Poldark - Robin Ellis - drool”
“Poldark - Robin Ellis - drool
”
Yes! I don't care that he contoured his abs. He's hawt! That lucky ginger coo.
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Amazing.
Did he do topless scything?”
“Amazing.
Did he do topless scything?”
Now that I would like to see (and I didn't even watch Poldark!!) Although I do prefer Ashley (and by extension John) with short hair - I'm not keen on the wild man of Borneo/dragged through a hedge backwards look. But it always amuses me how it's hardly ever referenced on a show - did any one even mention Ashley's haircut??? Cos that'd be a major topic of conversation in any of the villages I've ever been in - the vicar having a change of appearance = major source of gossip (although I suppose most of the villages I've been to don't have people being shot or helicopters being crashed by exploding oil cans to talk about either
)
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut”
“BIB: Sadly I think one reason is because Robert is 'young' and 'hot' and Ashley is middle aged. Being of a certain age I think Ashley is 'hot' though, particularly since he had his hair cut
”
I agree!
I think John M is a very handsome man. I met him once and thought the same in "real life"... very quiet and gentleman like.
I do much prefer the shorter hair though - it definitely makes him look younger.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“I'll have to totally disagree with you on that
What Ashley did to Sandy was abuse.”
“I'll have to totally disagree with you on that
What Ashley did to Sandy was abuse.”
Sandy was pretending to be bed-ridden, even wetting the bed, and Ashley was having to wait on him hand and foot. Ashley was stalked by that mad woman, and his wife cleared off with the cook from the pub. He had a breakdown and behaved in a way completely out of character, and, Instead of getting help for him, Bishop George sacked him. I am team Ashley.
Originally Posted by coopermanyorks:
“Hi Guys
I wonder if anyone can help me,
I have a picture of Emmerdale stars past and present ,three people in the picture I know two of them
http://i64.tinypic.com/5xj4fp.jpg
Martin Dale who played the Policeman in Emmerdale
Chris Chittell - Eric Pollard
and a third person,in the middle but does anyone know who he is
I am asking on behalf of Martin Dales Widow,Elizabeth Dale”
“Hi Guys
I wonder if anyone can help me,
I have a picture of Emmerdale stars past and present ,three people in the picture I know two of them
http://i64.tinypic.com/5xj4fp.jpg
Martin Dale who played the Policeman in Emmerdale
Chris Chittell - Eric Pollard
and a third person,in the middle but does anyone know who he is
I am asking on behalf of Martin Dales Widow,Elizabeth Dale”
Can anyone help ? , Thanks
Originally Posted by coopermanyorks:
“Can anyone help ? , Thanks”
“Can anyone help ? , Thanks”
No sorry, I have no idea (looks like a very old picture so I wouldn't remember even if I was watching at the time). Have you tried contacting the Emmerdale production office, or even Chris C,. himself - he always seems like a really nice man so I'm sure he'd be happy to help if he can and you're able to reach him.
It might also be worth asking on the main Emmerdale thread (if you haven't already) because I think there are a few more people who post on there than here.
I am sorry, I don't know who it is in that photo either.
Regarding Ashley, I think I had more sympathy for him because, having watched my family deal with my elderly grandparents, my grandparents did the same thing of refusing help under the guise of "We don't want to be a bother". Of course the fuss & bother from the preventable (and predictable) incidents that happened when they tried to cope on their own was many, many times the fuss & bother that the actual help would have been so it was very frustrating. What Ashley did was wrong, but I understand the emotions behind it. Not to mention that Sandy was cruel to him as well.
Andy I am more or less OK with because they've shown him struggling with his anger management issues once in a while since then - it's not something that was magically resolved. Still wouldn't want my sister to date him though.
Regarding Ashley, I think I had more sympathy for him because, having watched my family deal with my elderly grandparents, my grandparents did the same thing of refusing help under the guise of "We don't want to be a bother". Of course the fuss & bother from the preventable (and predictable) incidents that happened when they tried to cope on their own was many, many times the fuss & bother that the actual help would have been so it was very frustrating. What Ashley did was wrong, but I understand the emotions behind it. Not to mention that Sandy was cruel to him as well.
Andy I am more or less OK with because they've shown him struggling with his anger management issues once in a while since then - it's not something that was magically resolved. Still wouldn't want my sister to date him though.
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