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Emmerdale - Past and Present (Part 10)
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samcains90
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“It's irrelevant "when" the rape storyline was first being "talked" about.


What came to the screen was a storyline where a character's father was turned into an incestual child rapist, and THAT was used as a romantic backdrop with a character who tried to murder his mother.


Its pretty sick when you think about it.”

Ryan Hawley himself has said that the rape storyline was done to get Robron back together in an interview.
EG21
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by kaiserbee:
“One only had to take a look at EDs official Twitter posts last night to understand why some of us are repulsed by this whole Robron crap.”

Emmerdale's Twitter and Facebook feed was absolutely ridiculous last night. Hardly anything about the trial or what this whole storyline is meant to be about. It was all about Robron which just goes to show the whole abuse has just been to put these two characters together which is revolting.

They blatantly promote Danny Miller over any other cast member. No other storyline gets the attention that this one has. You'd forget John and Dominic were nominated for Best Actor too since they get next to no attention.

Sorry - I just don't get it. Robron fans swear it's not about the whole idea of a "fanfiction fantasy" of two boys getting it on but all the comments I have mostly read have been about them hugging/kissing NOTHING about the actual trial itself with! Even Emmerdale were promoting the "#THATkiss" on Twitter last night.

I'm sick fed up of these two and all the limelight they get.
kaiserbee
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Oh that was so cringeworthy.

I would look forward to them disappearing now that they're a couple, like every other couple, but that's not going to happen is it?”

Surely Miller is due an extended break, if only to recover from "his hardest storyline EVER" and all the sobbing?
kaiserbee
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by EG21:
“Emmerdale's Twitter and Facebook feed was absolutely ridiculous last night. Hardly anything about the trial or what this whole storyline is meant to be about. It was all about Robron which just goes to show the whole abuse has just been to put these two characters together which is revolting.

They blatantly promote Danny Miller over any other cast member. No other storyline gets the attention that this one has. You'd forget John and Dominic were nominated for Best Actor too since they get next to no attention.

Sorry - I just don't get it. Robron fans swear it's not about the whole idea of a &quot;fanfiction fantasy&quot; of two boys getting it on but all the comments I have mostly read have been about them hugging/kissing NOTHING about the actual trial itself with! Even Emmerdale were promoting the &quot;#THATkiss&quot; on Twitter last night.

I'm sick fed up of these two and all the limelight they get.”

"Double YASS #Robron #emmerdale"

"WAIT...did #Robron just reunite? *scary face *loveheart*#emmerdale"

And not forgetting the MOST IMPORTANT thing:

"Vote for @DannyBMiller at the @SoapAwards now #Emmerdale"

One can only hope the show can move on now the trial is over. And the Press Team is replaced by grown ups.
ianradioian
15-04-2016
Although used as a serious storyline, the abuse of Aaron has the flip side of allowing the writer's to respond ( rightly or wrongly) to the fanbase that robron have. I didnt realise until some other posters were talking about it, how big on the internet that this is, and looked for myself.
As a soap, naturally itv will boost audience figures or appreciation by plugging it for all its worth.
I don't have a problem with Robron other than they seem to have changed Roberts dark psychotic character once again ( and I was enjoying dark robert) to suit luvved-up gay coupling. Im a gay man myself, and im just like all you straight guys out thete with the same likes and dislikes etc.. the only difference is im not interested in what you get up to bed, as you are not interested in what i do either!

It would be nice in a soap if you just saw a normal gay couple, without being a thug, psychotic, murdering etc...but itll never happen!
Scriptwriters know they can get a lot of mileage out of gay characters, and the younger audiences love them,both lads and girls.
cyrilandshirley
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by samcains90:
“Oh that was so cringeworthy.

I would look forward to them disappearing now that they're a couple, like every other couple, but that's not going to happen is it?”

I've got an assassin on speeddial can "disappear" them for a couple of hundred nicker.

Note to people who take things very seriously: this is a JOKE.

Originally Posted by kaiserbee:
“"Double YASS #Robron #emmerdale"

"WAIT...did #Robron just reunite? *scary face *loveheart*#emmerdale"

And not forgetting the MOST IMPORTANT thing:

"Vote for @DannyBMiller at the @SoapAwards now #Emmerdale"

One can only hope the show can move on now the trial is over. And the Press Team is replaced by grown ups.”

Gordon Bennett. I never follow the official account. Now I know why. They sound like demented 7 year olds.

Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“It would be nice in a soap if you just saw a normal gay couple, without being a thug, psychotic, murdering etc...but itll never happen!
Scriptwriters know they can get a lot of mileage out of gay characters, and the younger audiences love them,both lads and girls.”

Why not though? I'd love that! Depending on the characters, obviously.
kwynne42
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“I've got an assassin on speeddial can "disappear" them for a couple of hundred nicker.

Note to people who take things very seriously: this is a JOKE.



Gordon Bennett. I never follow the official account. Now I know why. They sound like demented 7 year olds.



Why not though? I'd love that! Depending on the characters, obviously.”

They probably actually are 7
sheepiefarm
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“It would be nice in a soap if you just saw a normal gay couple, without being a thug, psychotic, murdering etc...but itll never happen!
Scriptwriters know they can get a lot of mileage out of gay characters, and the younger audiences love them,both lads and girls.”

Who's asking for normal

Characterisation and narratives written within the boundaries of "reasonable" human existence would be acceptable.

If this storyline had been written with a heterosexual couple - where a guy had an affair with another woman whilst married, manipulated her into covering up a murder*, hired a professional killer to have her own mother killed, tried to have her "father figure" suffocated in a grain pit, then tied her to a radiator and threatened to shoot her - NOT A SINGLE VIEWER would be saying - oh poor man, it's because he loves her so much he's done all that - if the show had then introduced this childhood abuse story and made her a victim of abuse by her own father and had said male character be her "rock" whereby the conclusion to the rape story was them hugging & kissing.

There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about them hugging & kissing.
There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about "chemistry"


Its the hypocrisy of using gay characters in THIS way - knowing full well that there is a cult worldwide m/m shipping audience who will eagerly write off all the murder, abuse, deceit and manipulation and applaud the show for doing so because they get their "fix" of homoerotic action and love story.

I don't ask for "normal" behaviour - but I do ask that this OTT fanfiction is NOT shown as being "normalised" behaviour for gay characters.
Oldnjaded
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“They probably actually are 7”

I very occasionally look at the Appreciation Thread on here and tbh I was seriously shocked to see that quite a few of them actually have small children of their own.

Don't reply, kwynne - it can only get us in trouble.
Windy_City
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“I very occasionally look at the Appreciation Thread on here and tbh I was seriously shocked to see that quite a few of them actually have small children of their own.

Don't reply, kwynne - it can only get us in trouble.”

???? Really is that necessary. Why comment about the fans. Stick to the fictional characters maybe.
Oldnjaded
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Who's asking for normal

Characterisation and narratives written within the boundaries of "reasonable" human existence would be acceptable.

If this storyline had been written with a heterosexual couple - where a guy had an affair with another woman whilst married, manipulated her into covering up a murder*, hired a professional killer to have her own mother killed, tried to have her "father figure" suffocated in a grain pit, then tied her to a radiator and threatened to shoot her - NOT A SINGLE VIEWER would be saying - oh poor man, it's because he loves her so much he's done all that - if the show had then introduced this childhood abuse story and made her a victim of abuse by her own father and had said male character be her "rock" whereby the conclusion to the rape story was them hugging & kissing.

There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about them hugging & kissing.
There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about "chemistry"



Its the hypocrisy of using gay characters in THIS way - knowing full well that there is a cult worldwide m/m shipping audience who will eagerly write off all the murder, abuse, deceit and manipulation and applaud the show for doing so because they get their "fix" of homoerotic action and love story.

I don't ask for "normal" behaviour - but I do ask that this OTT fanfiction is NOT shown as being "normalised" behaviour for gay characters.”

BiBs : All true, but playing devil's advocate a bit here, surely that says more about that minority of fanw*nk viewers than anything else? ED's and ITV's only, repeat only, interest is in attracting publicity and hence advertisers. Can they really be blamed for cynically supplying what appears to be a clear demand from that noisy minority?
Oldnjaded
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Windy_City:
“???? Really is that necessary. Why comment about the fans. Stick to the fictional characters maybe.”

Simply pointing out the unlikelihood of said fans being 7 years old.
Andybear
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by kaiserbee:
“One only had to take a look at EDs official Twitter posts last night to understand why some of us are repulsed by this whole Robron crap.”

I've just posted a message on Twitter, using #Emmerdale, saying exactly what I think. I'm now expecting to get loads of abuse from the Robron fans which I shall have a laugh at
Mark_Washingto1
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“Although used as a serious storyline, the abuse of Aaron has the flip side of allowing the writer's to respond ( rightly or wrongly) to the fanbase that robron have. I didnt realise until some other posters were talking about it, how big on the internet that this is, and looked for myself.
As a soap, naturally itv will boost audience figures or appreciation by plugging it for all its worth.
I don't have a problem with Robron other than they seem to have changed Roberts dark psychotic character once again ( and I was enjoying dark robert) to suit luvved-up gay coupling. Im a gay man myself, and im just like all you straight guys out thete with the same likes and dislikes etc.. the only difference is im not interested in what you get up to bed, as you are not interested in what i do either!

It would be nice in a soap if you just saw a normal gay couple, without being a thug, psychotic, murdering etc...but itll never happen!
Scriptwriters know they can get a lot of mileage out of gay characters, and the younger audiences love them,both lads and girls.”

What about Sean and Billy on Corrie? I know people on here despise Sean for some unknown reason but him and Billy are pretty normal and don't have all the RobRon or SteDan type drama. Personally I prefer the couples with all the drama nice couples are boring.

I also agree with what others are saying, the child abuse story seems to have be done to reunite RobRon and IMHO the abuse just didn't fit with Aaron's history. If they wanted to reunite them they could have done it in another way. Also I almost died when Robert claimed he was a different man now a week after his Kim Tate imitation I hope they don't make Aaron continue to be Robert's victim, Aaron can be pretty devious in his own right and I'd like to see him gain back his strength and not put up with any more BS from Robert.
Andybear
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by ianradioian:
“Although used as a serious storyline, the abuse of Aaron has the flip side of allowing the writer's to respond ( rightly or wrongly) to the fanbase that robron have. I didnt realise until some other posters were talking about it, how big on the internet that this is, and looked for myself.
As a soap, naturally itv will boost audience figures or appreciation by plugging it for all its worth.
I don't have a problem with Robron other than they seem to have changed Roberts dark psychotic character once again ( and I was enjoying dark robert) to suit luvved-up gay coupling. Im a gay man myself, and im just like all you straight guys out thete with the same likes and dislikes etc.. the only difference is im not interested in what you get up to bed, as you are not interested in what i do either!

It would be nice in a soap if you just saw a normal gay couple, without being a thug, psychotic, murdering etc...but itll never happen!
Scriptwriters know they can get a lot of mileage out of gay characters, and the younger audiences love them,both lads and girls.”

BIB: Emmerdale did it with Ruby and Ally but look what happened there!
cyrilandshirley
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“BIB: Emmerdale did it with Ruby and Ally but look what happened there!”

My Ruby!!!

I really liked her.

Bleddy helicopter. It ruined everything.
kwynne42
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Simply pointing out the unlikelihood of said fans being 7 years old.”

Unless the 7 year olds have hacked into their parents accounts


In the tradition of such things that was a joke.
kwynne42
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“My Ruby!!!

I really liked her.

Bleddy helicopter. It ruined everything. ”

Yes it didn't fall on either Aaron or Dross.
cyrilandshirley
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Yes it didn't fall on either Aaron or Dross.”

Or Moanie Joanie.
Andybear
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“My Ruby!!!

I really liked her.

Bleddy helicopter. It ruined everything. ”

I agree on both points, I thought Ruby was great and wasn't happy when she got killed. I thought she, Ally, Sean and Amelia made a lovely family unit, one of the more 'normal' ones! Which of course is why it all broke apart. ED doesn't like 'normal' families.
Mark_Washingto1
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Or Moanie Joanie. ”

I think you will be getting your wish about Joanie pretty soon
cyrilandshirley
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Andybear:
“I agree on both points, I thought Ruby was great and wasn't happy when she got killed. I thought she, Ally, Sean and Amelia made a lovely family unit, one of the more 'normal' ones! Which of course is why it all broke apart. ED doesn't like 'normal' families.”

Andybear, I think thee and me are two of the only members of the Spencer Family Fan Club. I actually still miss Sean.

Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I think you will be getting your wish about Joanie pretty soon”

What, that she be horribly mashed by a passing helicopter blade?

Don't get my hopes up.
Mark_Washingto1
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Andybear, I think thee and me are two of the only members of the Spencer Family Fan Club. I actually still miss Sean.



What, that she be horribly mashed by a passing helicopter blade?

Don't get my hopes up. ”

Putting spoilers together that I've seen and others have posted on here it looks like
Spoiler
there will be some type of fire coming up soon, now I saw a rumor several weeks back on instagram that a member of a new engaged couple would leave the other for dead. So my guess is there will be a fire at the factory with both Lisa and Joanie trapped in it, Zack will try to save them both but will only be able to save Lisa.
rollockingbat
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“So - there you have it - the Rape & Redeem story is reaching its conclusion - unsurprisingly the "Redemption" half of the story has become more important than the Rape part of it.

The trial of child rapist Gordon Livesy has been dull to say the least - and he will probably get convicted on the testimony of a 14 year old character we've only known for 5 minutes. A character who's only known both protagonist AND victim for a couple of months.

But hey-ho - this entire incestual childhood rape story has been nothing more than a cheap cover-story.
Turn a character's father into a rapist to redeem a murderous boyfriend.

The Homoerotic fanfiction of Robron continues.................................”

Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“If this storyline had been written with a heterosexual couple - where a guy had an affair with another woman whilst married, manipulated her into covering up a murder*, hired a professional killer to have her own mother killed, tried to have her "father figure" suffocated in a grain pit, then tied her to a radiator and threatened to shoot her - NOT A SINGLE VIEWER would be saying - oh poor man, it's because he loves her so much he's done all that - if the show had then introduced this childhood abuse story and made her a victim of abuse by her own father and had said male character be her "rock" whereby the conclusion to the rape story was them hugging & kissing.

There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about them hugging & kissing.
There would not be a worldwide fandom squeeing about "chemistry"”

From memory, I think I often share differing viewpoints from you Sheepie, but have to say you've well and truly hit the nail on the head for me with these two posts. In particular, the trial scenes haven't generated any exciting writing and have been mainly uninteresting and predictable considering what a big storyline this had the potential to be.

Originally Posted by Francy:
“Except that Danny Miller said he was told about the child rape storyline when he was contracting his return, way before any Robron happened and way before there was a Robert to redeem. So no, the incestual rape storyline wasn't concocted to reunite Robron, although the writers obviously chose to kill two birds with one stone.”

You do remember that Robert rejoined the cast a couple of months after Aaron returned right? Right after they'd cleared up the pesky nonsense of sending him away to France. Robert then returned and was inexplicably thrown into the relationship with him that led to Katie's death before the end of the year. I'm pretty certain that that would have been planned before the actors started filming their return scenes and is likely the entire reason they brought Robert back to begin with. I think it's perfectly reasonable that the rape story was always their intention to reunite and redeem the pair knowing that the Katie story would leave them both (particularly Robert) on shaky ground. And if it wasn't, they've not done a very good job of showing otherwise.

As an addition to that, have we still had any inclination as to what happened with Robert considering he showed no sexual interest in males in the past? Have we had any acknowledgement of his own realisation and experiences? I would have thought Chrissie would have pushed for some more answers in all honesty.

Originally Posted by kaiserbee:
“"Double YASS #Robron #emmerdale"

"WAIT...did #Robron just reunite? *scary face *loveheart*#emmerdale"

And not forgetting the MOST IMPORTANT thing:

"Vote for @DannyBMiller at the @SoapAwards now #Emmerdale"

One can only hope the show can move on now the trial is over. And the Press Team is replaced by grown ups.”

Yikes. Seems they're still trying to prove Emmerdale isn't an old person's soap by going a little bit too far the other way then.

Just an additional 2p on the story as well - but I really think this story is (rightly or wrongly - hard to tell with the material he's been given) showing Danny Miller up to be a one-note actor as well. Every scene he's either miserable, angry, teary-eyed or exhaling and nodding/shaking his head. They really need to give him something else to do afterwards that can prove his versatility.
kwynne42
15-04-2016
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Putting spoilers together that I've seen and others have posted on here it looks like
Spoiler
there will be some type of fire coming up soon, now I saw a rumor several weeks back on instagram that a member of a new engaged couple would leave the other for dead. So my guess is there will be a fire at the factory with both Lisa and Joanie trapped in it, Zack will try to save them both but will only be able to save Lisa.
”

Spoiler
Actually Belle gets it on with Dr bailey in the Factory no doubt the traditional shag spot on the office floor and knock over a candle which starts a fire which causes Lisa and Rishi to put it out I think or they die or something. Joanie no where near.
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