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Old 16-04-2016, 14:35
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I think the problem is Andys painted as a good guy when he is anything but, I think he's never really been punished for his acts either. I thought Andy was about 8 when he was took in, Alough I may be way off with that.

Roberts a selfish scumbag but I do think he was made this way by jack and Andy, before Karl Davies took over as Robert he was a quite timid charcther who was pretty much bullied by jack and Andy for having aspirations outside of farming, I think that poison that was injected by them as a child is what caused him to turn out that way. I think after Sarah died Andy had the better family life as jack doted on him and pushed his other kids aside.
I see Andy as a character who tries to keep his head down, rather than an out and out good guy, but yes he is portrayed as a decent person. Certainly it' s what you' d think if you were to meet him in RL. I hate when a character is obviously supposed to be the hero of a story but it feels manipulated. I' ve never felt that way about Andy, but Marlon and Paddy on the other hand.....>:
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Old 16-04-2016, 14:40
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Andy was just shy of being a teen when he came to the Sugden's, he's done bad things but I don't think he is fundamentally a bad person, he knows his faults and does his best to control them so he can be the best father he can be.

Another thing about his arranging Rob's shooting, don't forget Rob had convinced everyone, except foghorn who lied to protect crybaby, that Andy was crazy blaming Rob for Katie's death, even his family thought he was mad so he was desperate for payback after the Police had believed Rob.

Also Jack didn't push Rob away, he didn't want to be a farmer so drifted away, then had an affair with Andy's wife, scared his sister so badly (to keep her quiet about the affair) she refused to speak and effectively killed Max King before fleeing the village.
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Old 16-04-2016, 16:30
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Andy was just shy of being a teen when he came to the Sugden's, he's done bad things but I don't think he is fundamentally a bad person, he knows his faults and does his best to control them so he can be the best father he can be.

Another thing about his arranging Rob's shooting, don't forget Rob had convinced everyone, except foghorn who lied to protect crybaby, that Andy was crazy blaming Rob for Katie's death, even his family thought he was mad so he was desperate for payback after the Police had believed Rob.

Also Jack didn't push Rob away, he didn't want to be a farmer so drifted away, then had an affair with Andy's wife, scared his sister so badly (to keep her quiet about the affair) she refused to speak and effectively killed Max King before fleeing the village.
Is Robert entitled to payback for his mum by attempting to kill him? What about Pete what is Pete allowed to get away with in terms of revenge against Andy.

I agree Robert was/is a horrible charcther but my point was Jack and helped make him this way, the things you listed were after he became so bitter about jack and Andys treatment, if you watch the episodes from 2001 where Robert was played by Christopher smith he was a decent kid who's life was being made hell by Andy goading him constantly and jack basically backing Andy up .

on top of this he then finds out Andy was the one who killed his mum yet he is the one who is sent away while grieving for her, when he comes back he finds Andy happy in a relationship with a gorgeous girl, I'm not surprised he became do bitter and twisted.
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Old 16-04-2016, 17:32
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Debbie was underage doesn't matter how willing she wa also if you rewatched the first time he slept with Tracey she was reluctant but she had just been kicked out the B and B, Andy made it clear if she didn't put out he would kick her out.

Shooting jack was an accident because he was trying to kill someone else, and if killing
His mum was forgivable as his intention was not to kill, then Robert never meant to kill Katie so surely by that logic he has to forgive. Not that I'm trying to argue Robert isn't despicable, I just think Andys worse.
The difference is, if Andy had known his mum was in the barn he would never have set it on fire, whereas Robert was clearly going to shut Katie up one way or another. He's just lucky the floor gave way, but if it hadn't, he'd have made sure she wasn't going to go telling or showing anyone what she knew. When she fell his actions weren't of panic and horror or to call an ambulance like a normal person would, he was calculatingly cold, indifferent and unmoved. He's like Tracy Barlow on Corrie, only interested in what's in it for him and has absolutely no remorse or normal human emotions whatsoever. Whatever Andy has done wrong he does feel guilt and remorse for it.

You cannot compare child abuse to battery, and saying Aaron is like a his rapist is completely ridiculous
Not comparing them, just saying Waaaron is equally deserving of a prison cell as Gordon. Not for the same reasons, but he certainly deserves to be behind bars.
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Old 16-04-2016, 17:37
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The difference is, if Andy had known his mum was in the barn he would never have set it on fire, whereas Robert was clearly going to shut Katie up one way or another. He's just lucky the floor gave way, but if it hadn't, he'd have made sure she wasn't going to go telling or showing anyone what she knew. When she fell his actions weren't of panic and horror or to call an ambulance like a normal person would, he was calculatingly cold, indifferent and unmoved. He's like Tracy Barlow on Corrie, only interested in what's in it for him and has absolutely no remorse or normal human emotions whatsoever. Whatever Andy has done wrong he does feel guilt and remorse for it.



Not comparing them, just saying Waaaron is equally deserving of a prison cell as Gordon. Not for the same reasons, but he certainly deserves to be behind bars.
He shown a bit of guilt but granted he was more concerned with getting away with it, I don't Andy ever felt real guilt for the thins he does either, it's more self to pity than anything after he spent months smacking jo around if he felt real guilt he would have admitted to police what he had done.
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Old 16-04-2016, 20:07
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He shown a bit of guilt but granted he was more concerned with getting away with it, I don't Andy ever felt real guilt for the thins he does either, it's more self to pity than anything after he spent months smacking jo around if he felt real guilt he would have admitted to police what he had done.
But didn't the show decide that happened because he was going through some kind of mental breakdown?
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Old 16-04-2016, 21:04
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But not once did either think ' I want some money. I' ll just go and intentionally beat some someone into a coma for it.'
Cain never intentionally killed anyone. Is it worse that he intimidated some women than if he' d done that to men? Especially when some if the women involved were just as bad if not worse than him?

Andy was very young himself when he had sex with Debbie, quite understandably blamed Robert for Katie's death and wanted to kill him.

The difference between them and Ross is the context for why they' ve done these things, the character development that has seen Cain struggle with his darker side and Andy try to control his anger, and the knowledge that both came from the kind of backgrounds that could easily make them grow up into violent men. The back story and character development for Ross have not been so well done. Additionally, neither are regarded as ' just troubled kids' by their families but as adults who have to take some responsibility for themselves.

Aaron on the other hand is portrayed as being entirely innocent, a victim of his own terrible childhood circumstances, who never faces censure for the things that he has done. There IS a nice person under all of it, I suspect, but it' s buried under the self pity. There' s nothing which makes him more likeable, like humour or occasional gentleness, he' s always on the defensive. It' s understandable but it' s not entirely believable that he would be regarded as a saint.
I wouldn't agree that Aaron is portrayed as being entirely innocent. He most certainly is not. Neither would I agree that he never faces censure for the things that he's done.

I admit that here are a number of matters for which Aaron has not been held to account: his part in Charity's chop shop (minor), the Home Farm raid (lesser role), bottling James (but this seems to have been forgiven), destroying evidence at the scene of Katie's death (lesser role and unlikely to come out) and the warehouse raid assault (the worst offence), it remains to be seen whether any of them will come back to haunt him.

However, it is not true to say that Aaron is always excused. He was tried and sentenced for assaulting Jackson, he was tried and acquitted (correctly) for the murder of Jackson, he pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice over the garage fire and was given a suspended sentence. In addition, he was imprisoned on remand for a significant number of weeks for something that he didn't do, namely the shooting of Robert.

Others, though, get off scot free for far more serious crimes, for example Ross & Andy. Both of these characters entered into a conspiracy to commit murder (which implies the highest level of intent, completely cold blooded pre-planned killing). Both of them carried through their side of the bargain, but Ross' victim, Robert, recovered and Andy bottled out and rescued his victim, Pete. However, it was only a matter of luck that Robert didn't die, and Pete too, for that matter. In addition, Ross has a number of cold blooded assaults to his name and he hasn't been held to account for any of them. It has to be mentioned that Robert hasn't been held to account for any of his crimes either: instigating the home farm raid, the manslaughter of Katie by an unlawful and dangerous act, possession and discharge of an illegal fire arm (twice) on one occasion occasioning injury (to Paddy), assaulting Paddy (grain pit) and bribing a false witness.

So, whilst Aaron has quite a few issues for which he needs to be held to account, it's not true to say that he never faces censure. That honour falls to others!
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Old 16-04-2016, 21:25
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But didn't the show decide that happened because he was going through some kind of mental breakdown?
It did which was a pathetic cop out, he should have still confessed to what he did, he also got aggressive and controlling with another girlfriend called Adele to the point she left the village yet this is completely forgotten about
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Old 17-04-2016, 15:42
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The difference is, if Andy had known his mum was in the barn he would never have set it on fire, whereas Robert was clearly going to shut Katie up one way or another. He's just lucky the floor gave way, but if it hadn't, he'd have made sure she wasn't going to go telling or showing anyone what she knew. When she fell his actions weren't of panic and horror or to call an ambulance like a normal person would, he was calculatingly cold, indifferent and unmoved. He's like Tracy Barlow on Corrie, only interested in what's in it for him and has absolutely no remorse or normal human emotions whatsoever. Whatever Andy has done wrong he does feel guilt and remorse for it.



Not comparing them, just saying Waaaron is equally deserving of a prison cell as Gordon. Not for the same reasons, but he certainly deserves to be behind bars.


Now that the police have been told, in court, that Aaron is gulty of grievous assault, and that Gordon lied for him, will the police re-open the case?
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Old 17-04-2016, 15:47
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Now that the police have been told, in court, that Aaron is gulty of grievous assault, and that Gordon lied for him, will the police re-open the case?
Were they told that?

I'm sure Gordon just used the fact that they were apparently together, during the time of the assault, to make Aaron look like a liar when he said he didn't socialise with his dad.

Mind you, I was bordering on falling asleep through boredom during the court scenes so I might have missed something.
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Old 17-04-2016, 16:06
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Old 17-04-2016, 20:43
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Old 17-04-2016, 20:45
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Old 17-04-2016, 20:46
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does anyone think that Cain and Holly will do the nasty and Ross finds out. Blackmails Cain for Debbie's details - thus Ross' temporary exit (Michael Parr will be climbing Mount Everest in October)
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Old 17-04-2016, 20:49
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If Cain and holly get together I will become a robron fan
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Old 17-04-2016, 20:56
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If Cain and holly get together I will become a robron fan
Don't give them ideas
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Old 17-04-2016, 21:05
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does anyone think that Cain and Holly will do the nasty and Ross finds out. Blackmails Cain for Debbie's details - thus Ross' temporary exit (Michael Parr will be climbing Mount Everest in October)
I hope not. The Debbie and Ross pairing needs to die IMO.
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Old 17-04-2016, 21:09
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I hope not. The Debbie and Ross pairing needs to die IMO.
If Charley has took twelve months maternity, it sound like they would be back filming at around the same time then. Maybe he goes to find her and brings her back
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Old 17-04-2016, 21:09
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I hope not. The Debbie and Ross pairing needs to die IMO.
The writers would be crazy to just give up on them as a couple. They won best affair last year so they're popular. The actors Michael & Charley are fond of the pairing too.
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Old 17-04-2016, 21:12
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If Charley has took twelve months maternity, it sound like they would be back filming at around the same time then. Maybe he goes to find her and brings her back
The weird thing is, I've seen one article from Charley Webb stating she took an extended maternity leave, but then another article posted around 2 weeks later saying she wants to come back soon

I hope Debbie stays away a bit longer to be honest, she seems to almost constantly have the big storylines, the break from her has been refreshing. I don't particularly dislike the character, but she is a hypocrite and Cain treats her like she could do no wrong. Hopefully Ross moves on with someone else by the time Debbie gets back.
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Old 17-04-2016, 21:33
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My Ruby!!!

I really liked her.

Bleddy helicopter. It ruined everything.
Indeed. I have still not gone back to ED full-time after what happened to Ruby. Although Kate Oates has left, I shall not become a full-time ED viewer until Chrissie's time reaches its conclusion. I have seen no clues of such a development being imminent though.
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Old 17-04-2016, 22:07
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I hope not. The Debbie and Ross pairing needs to die IMO.
Too right!

Ross needs a much more convincing partner (if the producers must insist that he has one, rather than keeping him single and fabulous) who does not drag him down, plot-wise; he should get back with Carly, for example.
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Old 19-04-2016, 12:52
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Soaplife spoilers for the week of 2-6th May

A long awaited sad event incoming.

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Old 19-04-2016, 12:57
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Soaplife spoilers for the week of 2-6th May

A long awaited sad event incoming.

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Ah, sad.

But BIB: Oh easy squeezy pleasy

Won't happen though.

Well at these those spoilers don't have any bloody Robron, or the Weeper himself. Excellent, I can come back.
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Old 19-04-2016, 13:07
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Ah, sad.

But BIB: Oh easy squeezy pleasy

Won't happen though.

Well at these those spoilers don't have any bloody Robron, or the Weeper himself. Excellent, I can come back.
So Aaron has a new/old Boyfriend, found his sister, been vindicated and his hated father is in prison yet
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What an utterly pathetic Runt

Except change the R in Runt for a letter much earlier in the Alphabet
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