Angie's ex David Bowie has died

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Dix

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by Toggler:
“I quite agree with you. I understand she has already been saying unflattering stuff about David which has been in the media, so I guess the old fame seeker has been will stay in there milking his death for all it's worth - after all who is she??”

For one thing David's son is also Angie's, so that counts for something, as do all the old memories of their good times, as they must have had some.

meadows76

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“That means he was 20 and not a child when they married. She didn't raise him or probably even live with him past the odd holiday. Of course his fathers death changed things. He would have seen her as part of seeing his father and now she is peripheral. You don't generally go to your ex-step-mum's for Christmas!

Even If they got along (which we don't know) they are bound to drift apart.becsuae they aren't really family. They are ex-step-family - which is different. Both will move on and prioritise their own family as is natural.”

They are not ex step family. David died. Ex is when people split up.

I have adult step children and I will ALWAYS consider them part of my family. If my OH died the only empty chair at the Christmas table would be his, the step kids and grandchildren would still be round as they have been every year in the past 10.

tuppencehapenny

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“That means he was 20 and not a child when they married. She didn't raise him or probably even live with him past the odd holiday. Of course his fathers death changed things. He would have seen her as part of seeing his father and now she is peripheral. You don't generally go to your ex-step-mum's for Christmas!

Even If they got along (which we don't know) they are bound to drift apart.becsuae they aren't really family. They are ex-step-family - which is different. Both will move on and prioritise their own family as is natural.”

That's a really strange idea. You seem to be imposing your very limited notions of step-parents and children on to a situation you know nothing about. How on earth can you claim to know how Duncan J saw his father's wife?

The long-time step-parents I know have formed close relationships with their spouse's adult children, and also their children.

robbleona

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“David didn't have a good word for Angie either for years ...

But that's not the point, BB needs to do the right thing and tell Angie. Out of respect Angie needs to leave the house.
Angie maybe estranged from her son, but doing the right thing now may start to heal the rift between them.”

I would agree. First, BB must tell her. Second, the right thing to do now (for herself too) would be to leave. Otherwise she will be judged harshly.

RIP DAVID BOWIE...a true icon and a real star.

Sasparella

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by robbleona:
“I would agree. First, BB must tell her. Second, the right thing to do now (for herself too) would be to leave. Otherwise she will be judged harshly.

RIP DAVID BOWIE...a true icon and a real star.”

BIB, only by judgemental people that want to impose what THEY would do onto someone else. Different people have different coping mechanisms. Neither you nor I know what happened to make the situation that exists today between Angie, David and Duncan. Watching her on CBB, the lady looks as if drugs and alcohol scrambled her brains rather, she seems to have a hard shell which maybe she hides behind and maybe she doesn't want to go out of the house and face it all until she's had time to process it herself.

viva.espana

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by robbleona:
“I would agree. First, BB must tell her. Second, the right thing to do now (for herself too) would be to leave. Otherwise she will be judged harshly.

RIP DAVID BOWIE...a true icon and a real star.”

^ Only by a limited few who think they own the rights to how people should react in these circumstances.

The rest of us will respect whatever decision she makes.

An Thropologist

11-01-2016

I certainly shan't be judging her.

I just wish I could get hold of a copy of the rules so I knew which women whose husbands dump them are entitled to some compassion and which are not.

Nosaer

11-01-2016

Apparently she is staying

Helenbemerry

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“😂😂😂. I think you'll find that Michael Jackson had a pretty long career. Due to starting performing as s child.

And are you really arguing that Bowies musically had a greater range? Seriousl!! He did pop, rock & electronic.

MJ had his Motown era, pop, R&b, rock etc it's bizarre to say Bowie had a larger range.”

No one is disputing that Michael Jackson had a long, successful career and was very talented but I will argue that David Bowie had a greater musical range and was far more influential - An Thropologist summed it up beautifully and far better than I could in one their posts.

Dangermoose

11-01-2016

Why should anyone judge her? What business is it of anybody's?

missfrankiecat

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“Then he was hardly that influential was he....? Because loads of people try to sound and dance like MJ. And that is a measure of how influential he was”

It really, really isn't. Bowie influenced (and still influences) art, film, fashion, zeitgeist, as well as music. Countless artists cite Bowie as an influence in different musical styles, whereas Jackson's legacy - huge though it is - is much more limited in genre. Other legends - like McCartney, the Stones and Dylan are all paying tribute in a way they did not for Jackson.

duckylucky

11-01-2016

BBC 1 are showing a Bowie special right now

cah

11-01-2016

RIP David Bowie ,a true musical legend x

As for Angie .she's damned whatever she does

Kabuki

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“This sounds mad I'm going to have to give DS a miss for a couple of hours getting weepy here.

Turned on the TV this morning, must have kept TV on ITV last night, first thing I read was David Bowie has Died, I'm getting at a age now, where celebrity's I grew up with are passing away”

Me too! This is where we realise our own mortality! Not that I'm afraid to die, just get sad over loved ones I might leave behind.

Kabuki

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“At least she has time in there to reflect and chat away to David Gest about her memories, i'm surprised she's staying, but guess they were together many many years ago, 35 or something like that, it's her son I imagine who's forefront of her mind , but she's pretty powerless there too, as she's not part of their circle , so perhaps staying in that house will be therapeutic for her.

Hope the younger ones are supportive towards her, particularly Tiffany loud mouth. but most of them won't know anything about David B anyway.”

I would have been more surprised if she had left! By her own admission there is no love lost between them, and if her son sees her as a negative influence in his life, then why would she want to leave the BB house? She would fade into the background and It's not like she would be invited to the funeral. She sees an opportunity to get airtime I should imagine. Personally I think she is as nutty as a fruitcake! :P

mmpfb

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I certainly shan't be judging her.

I just wish I could get hold of a copy of the rules so I knew which women whose husbands dump them are entitled to some compassion and which are not.”

I believe it is written in law that it is ultimately *always* the women's fault. Did you not know this?

jack_blair

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“Popularity is based on individual and personal taste, being influential in the music business isn't - you don't have to like someone's music for them to be influential. Personally I like them both but would see David Bowie as the more influential due to his wider range of music and he also has spanned generations”

no, I disagree
both musicians influenced.
There's no definitive poll stating which one influenced more than the other, and so the fact you think Bowie was more 'influential' is based on your 'personal individual opinion' only. MJ's music has been listened to by generations too.

jack_blair

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by Kabuki:
“I would have been more surprised if she had left! By her own admission there is no love lost between them, and if her son sees her as a negative influence in his life, then why would she want to leave the BB house? She would fade into the background and It's not like she would be invited to the funeral. She sees an opportunity to get airtime I should imagine. Personally I think she is as nutty as a fruitcake! :P”

I like that she's eccentric, makes her interesting to watch on CBB
She's probably in there for the money primarily and whatever comes out of CBB a bonus to her, I wouldn't jump to suggest she's staying for airtime,arn't they all ? and they have no control what BB shows of them.

I think she's staying as she's not going to be going to the funeral and as she said on tonight's clip, she has seen him for many years,but still, it seemed genuine heartfelt reaction that she was upset, no surprise.

Penny Crayon

11-01-2016

Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“no, I disagree
both musicians influenced.
There's no definitive poll stating which one influenced more than the other, and so the fact you think Bowie was more 'influential' is based on your 'personal individual opinion' only. MJ's music has been listened to by generations too.”

I think it really is an 'age' thing.

I understand that Elvis broke new ground and was innovative in his time - whilst I understand it - I didn't experience it.

I experienced David Bowie and he really did 'blow my mind' as a teenager - his influence and the 'newness' really shouldn't be underestimated. He continued to push boundaries.

Michael Jackson was fab but - IMO - he simply expanded and improved an existing genre - as I say - maybe it's an age thing.

Helenbemerry

11-01-2016

I know MJ's music has been listened to by generations, I'm not disputing that at all.

The point I am trying to make is that Bowie had a bigger influence on other musicians, styles of music, stage presence, fashion, ideas ahead of his time, etc. That has got nothing to do with my personal opinion.

PeterWD

12-01-2016

Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“I like that she's eccentric, makes her interesting to watch on CBB
She's probably in there for the money primarily and whatever comes out of CBB a bonus to her, I wouldn't jump to suggest she's staying for airtime,arn't they all ? and they have no control what BB shows of them.

I think she's staying as she's not going to be going to the funeral and as she said on tonight's clip, she has seen him for many years,but still, it seemed genuine heartfelt reaction that she was upset, no surprise.”

She may be better off in the BB House than outside. In the House she has the full time support of David Gest who underneath his quirky exterior seems to be a sane, sensible and understanding man. She will also have private access to psychological support provided by BB. While she's in the House she is free from harassment by journalists.

I know nothing about her friends outside the house, but they are unlikely to be able to offer that sort of support.

I wish her well.

And finally, while she's in the House she cannot give into the temptation of bingeing on drink and drugs.

What name??

12-01-2016

Originally Posted by Helenbemerry:
“The point I am trying to make is that Bowie had a bigger influence on other musicians, styles of music, stage presence, fashion, ideas ahead of his time, etc. That has got nothing to do with my personal opinion.”

I think it has everything to do with the personal opinions and backgrounds of those claiming this. If you listen to difference genres of music or more international music then ones Influence is more visible whereas Bowie is quite pop/rock Eurocentric.

Crawley Cutie

12-01-2016

Originally Posted by What name??:
“That means he was 20 and not a child when they married. She didn't raise him or probably even live with him past the odd holiday. Of course his fathers death changed things. He would have seen her as part of seeing his father and now she is peripheral. You don't generally go to your ex-step-mum's for Christmas!

Even If they got along (which we don't know) they are bound to drift apart.becsuae they aren't really family. They are ex-step-family - which is different. Both will move on and prioritise their own family as is natural.”

She is not his ex step-mother. That would only be the case, after divorce from his father.

Imran is also the mother of his teenage half-sister. They were D.B's immediate family. Why should they drift apart

calamity

12-01-2016

Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“She is not his ex step-mother. That would only be the case, after divorce from his father.

Imran is also the mother of his teenage half-sister. They were D.B's immediate family. Why should they drift apart ”

I saw some photos of Iman with her older daughter from before Bowie...she must be in her 30s now Id think... who knows what kind of arrangement they have.. I did see photos of David with his son and they seemed happy in recent photos..http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...father-7155277 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...er-battle.html

exodus2u

12-01-2016

This. My sympathy goes to his current wife Iman, young daughter Lexi as well as his son Duncan - who DB has quoted 'Brought him such happiness'.

Angie's first conversation about David was negative and she accused him of turning her son against her. she said she didn't care about him and only wanted to work when they split. Who knows what happened but it says something when a court awards custody to the rock n roll Daddy and not the Mother.

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