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Makes you wish you were alive in the 70's
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jackol
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by nathanbrazil:
“This is one of the sad things about PC culture. When Gilbert O'Sullivan was in the charts singing 'Clair' it was celebrating the innocence of childhood and the entirely wholesome love of a father for a daughter.

Now, any act that released such a song would sound like a lament from a heinous kiddie fiddler.”

They werent father and daughter. Clare was the daughter of a friend of Osullivans
nathanbrazil
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by jackol:
“They werent father and daughter. Clare was the daughter of a friend of Osullivans”

Yes, I know that. If you read what I said it was that the song was a celebration of that relationship. I never claimed C|lair was GS's daughter.
nathanbrazil
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“lol..true.... there are other songs that wouldnt be allowed now (ok from the 60's) 'good morning little schoolgirl' and 'little children' for eg..”

And others that would, today, be re branded into something the writers probably did not intend. The most famous example being Jailhouse Rock -

"Number 47 said to number 3
You're cutest jailbird I ever did see
I sure would be delighted with your company
So come and do the jailhouse rock with me."


Today, that sounds like a blatantly gay love song!
mushymanrob
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by nathanbrazil:
“And others that would, today, be re branded into something the writers probably did not intend. The most famous example being Jailhouse Rock -

"Number 47 said to number 3
You're cutest jailbird I ever did see
I sure would be delighted with your company
So come and do the jailhouse rock with me."


Today, that sounds like a blatantly gay love song!”

lol... indeed.... maybe it was?..
LaVieEnRose
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“because it could be construed a bit pervy...

ps it was only a light hearted comment ”

But it's not in the least "pervy". You have illustrated nathanbrazil's comments perfectly.
LaVieEnRose
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by nathanbrazil:
“And others that would, today, be re branded into something the writers probably did not intend. The most famous example being Jailhouse Rock -

"Number 47 said to number 3
You're cutest jailbird I ever did see
I sure would be delighted with your company
So come and do the jailhouse rock with me."


Today, that sounds like a blatantly gay love song!”

I thought that's what it was about anyway
suncity
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by jackol:
“They werent father and daughter. Clare was the daughter of a friend of Osullivans”

Huh, learn something new every day.
WinterFire
14-01-2016
My first ever concert was being taken along to a Frank Zappa concert when I was 12.

In hindsight, I have decided that was a rather cool first concert to attend.
nathanbrazil
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“I thought that's what it was about anyway ”

Maybe it was. All I'm sure about is that if someone had explained it to Elvis, or Colonel Parker, in that context no way would EP have recorded the song.
welwynrose
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by WinterFire:
“My first ever concert was being taken along to a Frank Zappa concert when I was 12.

In hindsight, I have decided that was a rather cool first concert to attend.”

One of my first was Bowie at the Three Tuns
callmediva
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“As I have said before in the future the 70s will be recognised as the greatest decade for popular music - Glam, Prog, Funk, Disco, Punk, Electronic..... the 60s idealism tempered with a bit of 70s realism, perfect.

Bowie, Bolan, Roxy, Sex Pistols, Dr Feelgood, The Clash, Oldfield, Genesis, Eno, Numan, Wonder, Gaye, Blondie, Abba, Kate Bush, Siouxsie, Marley, Jackson, Kraftwerk, Donna Summer, Bee Gees, Earth, Wind and Fire.......

I was lucky enough to live through it.”

it's very telling that most of those (if they're still with us) are still producing new music. I doubt most of todays artists will still be around in 10 years time nevermind 40
mushymanrob
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“But it's not in the least "pervy". You have illustrated nathanbrazil's comments perfectly.”

EXACTLY! thats what i was intending to do!
LaVieEnRose
14-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“EXACTLY! thats what i was intending to do! ”

No, what you said was "There are other songs that wouldnt be allowed now (eg) .....'Good Morning Little School Girl' and 'Little Children'."

I certainly agree with you as far as the first song is concerned, as it is clearly about an older man making sexual approaches to an underage girl. This song would not be acceptable today.

However, you put the innocuous 'Little Children' into the same category, which suggests to me that you hadn't paid attention to the actual content of the song. I often see the same kneejerk reaction to songs which use expressions such as baby, little girl etc as endearments (a long-standing convention in popular music, as you know).

All too often people indoctrinated by the PC society object not to what a song is about, but what they think it is about, based on the title or a few words. But there's no reason a song should be banned on that basis.
mushymanrob
15-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“No, what you said was "There are other songs that wouldnt be allowed now (eg) .....'Good Morning Little School Girl' and 'Little Children'."

I certainly agree with you as far as the first song is concerned, as it is clearly about an older man making sexual approaches to an underage girl. This song would not be acceptable today.

However, you put the innocuous 'Little Children' into the same category, which suggests to me that you hadn't paid attention to the actual content of the song. I often see the same kneejerk reaction to songs which use expressions such as baby, little girl etc as endearments (a long-standing convention in popular music, as you know).

All too often people indoctrinated by the PC society object not to what a song is about, but what they think it is about, based on the title or a few words. But there's no reason a song should be banned on that basis.”

stop digging!
LaVieEnRose
15-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“stop digging!”

It's not me that's in a hole, mate
PeteA
15-01-2016
Originally Posted by jmclaugh:
“Don't get too carried away there was a lot of dross in the 1970s, for just one example google chirpy chirpy cheep cheep.”


But...but...but...Sally Carr in hotpants!

Stirring stuff for a 13 year-old at the time
nathanbrazil
15-01-2016
Originally Posted by PeteA:
“But...but...but...Sally Carr in hotpants!

Stirring stuff for a 13 year-old at the time ”

I'll see your Sally and raise you one Dana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUr8t9aMLY
Sammmymack
16-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“No, what you said was "There are other songs that wouldnt be allowed now (eg) .....'Good Morning Little School Girl' and 'Little Children'."

I certainly agree with you as far as the first song is concerned, as it is clearly about an older man making sexual approaches to an underage girl. This song would not be acceptable today.
”

"Don't stand so close to me" by the police perhaps falls into this category retrospectively even though at the time every schoolgirl wanted him as her teacher especially for a lift home in the rain.
LaVieEnRose
16-01-2016
Originally Posted by Sammmymack:
“"Don't stand so close to me" by the police perhaps falls into this category retrospectively even though at the time every schoolgirl wanted him as her teacher especially for a lift home in the rain.”

It's the opposite, though - it's the man trying to discourage the approaches of the girl. One with a similar theme is 'Young Girl' by Union Gap. The men in these songs are not making the running, it's the girls. These songs are about resisting temptation when you know giving in will land you in big trouble.
barbeler
16-01-2016
There's a good cross section of the music here: http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/reading-75.html

The 1975 line-up was a classic, with headliners for the three days being Hawkwind, Yes and Wishbone Ash. There were a few non-descript acts, but the Heavy Metal Kids were brilliant.

The 1976 one wan't so good. The reggae acts didn't go down at all well amd there were horrible bands like Black Oak Arkansas and Ted Nugent. The atmosphere had changed by then and I remember John Peel trying to calm everybody down by getting the entire crowd to chant "John Peel's a ladyfrontbottom"(amended for the sake of politeness). It seems the people of Reading were not amused.
SepangBlue
17-01-2016
As a teenager in the 60's I lapped up all music, everything from pop and rock through blues and even some jazz, into the early 70's with Moody Blues, Genesis, King Crimson, Yes, Pink Floyd, early Queen ....

And then it all went wrong ... punk came along and shat on it all. I absolutely hated that period - 'songs' that were shouted, instruments that were bashed and battered but seldom played well - and to this day I can't abide anything with a 'punk' label. Why they felt they had to 'rebel' I can't imagine, everything was going along just fine thank you!

The only reason I'd want to revisit the mid-70's is to meet my wife all over again.
barbeler
17-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“It's the opposite, though - it's the man trying to discourage the approaches of the girl. One with a similar theme is 'Young Girl' by Union Gap.”

I was in a pub a while ago when that song was played over the bar speakers. I was gob-smacked to hear those lyrics again. I think they washed over me at the time, but you'd get locked up for bringing a song like that out these days.
LaVieEnRose
17-01-2016
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“I was in a pub a while ago when that song was played over the bar speakers. I was gob-smacked to hear those lyrics again. I think they washed over me at the time, but you'd get locked up for bringing a song like that out these days.”

Why would you "get locked up"? The poor bloke in the song is doing his best to obey the law. He's setting a moral example, telling the fourteen-year-old* minx to clear off home and stop putting temptation his way, the hussy

*Oh wait, they were American, weren't they. So she could be anything up to 21 depending on state laws at the time
barbeler
17-01-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“Why would you "get locked up"? The poor bloke in the song is doing his best to obey the law.”

'You'd better run girl' sounds quite threatening to me.

Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe
You're old enough
To give me Love
And now it hurts to know the truth

Whaoo-oh-oh
Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
Beneath your perfume and make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know
That it's wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes

Whaoo-oh-oh
Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
So hurry home to your Mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
'Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far

Whaoo-oh-oh
Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl
You're much too young, girl
LaVieEnRose
17-01-2016
Originally Posted by barbeler:
“'You'd better run girl' sounds quite threatening to me.”

Threatening? !! He's just telling her to go home: "hurry home to your Mama". He's a responsible law-abiding person but he's afraid he might weaken.

I don't quite get why people seem to think this kind of situation mustn't be mentioned. It's just a bit of human drama reflecting experiences that countless young people have had in every generation. This song was a favourite of my mum's, and I think she'd be shocked that people were shocked by it today!
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