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Old 12-01-2016, 23:33
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You and I have no idea how much unreleased material is still available. Of anyone's.
Yes I do ? and you seem to be blaming some sort of herd mentality on the fact that some people who were born between 1960 and 2015 might enjoy a David Bowie record
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Old 12-01-2016, 23:42
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Blackstar was already on the way to being No 1 before his death
I'm not saying Blackstar will be number one because of his death. I'm saying more people will be buying it.

Look, I'm a huge Bowie fan so I don't want anyone thinking I'm knocking him or trying to deny his well deserved success. I'm commenting purely on the trend the OP describes.
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Old 12-01-2016, 23:43
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Even Cilla Black, who hadn't been relevant or in the spotlight for years and who supposedly many people hated, had songs shooting up the charts when she died.

I am not being negative. I'm not denying artists the success they deserve or trying to be down on people in general but I honestly feel there is undeniably a very obvious trend when it comes to this kind of thing.
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Old 13-01-2016, 00:20
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It's not negativity at all. I was a huge fan of Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston and this time Bowie...to see every Tom, Dick and Harry suddenly loving their songs/movies/whatever products directly after they die simply bemuses me greatly.

I think the fact that this does happen EVERY SINGLE TIME an artist dies these days does speak volumes for the herd mentality argument...how else do you explain it?

I don't think anyone is saying Blackstar isn't a great album and doesn't deserve to do well on its own merits...certainly not me. But the fact that it is THE thing to do now to rush off to iTunes and get an artist to number one directly after their death is a fad and one I can't relate to.
It will sell well, due to it already selling well as already pointed out. It's not been out long. It is ridiculous to slate fans for buying his newest heavily promoted album, simply because he died.

David Bowie is also in a very different league from Cilla Black.
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Old 13-01-2016, 00:55
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I think there are a lot of people who used to own all the early records on vinyl and are now spurred to replace them with CDs or mp3s. It has made me investigate some of the ones I missed, and although I still don't like the first three of the 1990s (what he admits was his Phil Collins period), I love Hours and after taking the trouble to listen to it properly, I now realise what a great album Outside was.

Blackstar is up there with one of his best, although the title track owes a huge debt to the more obscure of Scott Walker's output – something that I feel sure was intentional.
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Old 13-01-2016, 02:23
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Something else that's probably quite common is that people no longer have access to certain albums because of changed circumstances.

There's various albums that I'm very familiar with from having lived in a shared student house years ago. We couldn't afford to buy everything we liked for ourselves, so we'd all buy different albums and share them. And the same happens when people divorce or separate - the music often goes with the departing flatmate or spouse. People don't usually rush to replace these "lost" albums, because they don't have the same excitement that new releases have.

So often it's a death that acts like a nudge, and you remember that you used to listen to (insert album name here) and you haven't heard it for years, and you'd like to have it again in shiny new vinyl or a remastered CD with bonus tracks, and why not pick up a couple of the later albums that you never got round to because you were living a different sort of life by then.

It's all quite natural and logical.
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Old 13-01-2016, 06:48
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Even Cilla Black, who hadn't been relevant or in the spotlight for years and who supposedly many people hated, had songs shooting up the charts when she died.

I am not being negative. I'm not denying artists the success they deserve or trying to be down on people in general but I honestly feel there is undeniably a very obvious trend when it comes to this kind of thing.
It's mainly because it becomes relevant again for a short period of time, the artists music is everywhere...people will pick up on snippets, full songs...and think I quite like that sound and then will start looking at what the artist has previously done.

An example for me would have been The Doors film...knew nothing about them, saw the film, loved the music and then started buying the albums....but I have got to like what I am hearing, certainly didn't buy Cilla, Whitney or MJ.
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Old 13-01-2016, 07:24
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It is ridiculous to slate fans for buying his newest heavily promoted album, simply because he died.
That is not what I've been doing in any way, shape or form at all and I don't know if you are misreading what I'm saying on purpose just to argue, or what.

The OP, Doghouse Riley and I are clearly not talking about people who are already fans of these artist - that's the point of the thread. We are also clearly not wishing ill to these artists, we simply feel we have noticed a trend...that's it. Obviously people are free to disagree but some seem not like the fact that this opinion has been expressed in the first place.
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Old 13-01-2016, 07:30
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It's mainly because it becomes relevant again for a short period of time, the artists music is everywhere...people will pick up on snippets, full songs...and think I quite like that sound and then will start looking at what the artist has previously done.

An example for me would have been The Doors film...knew nothing about them, saw the film, loved the music and then started buying the albums....but I have got to like what I am hearing, certainly didn't buy Cilla, Whitney or MJ.
Thank you, dearmrman.

Now I wonder why other posters haven't just responded in a similar fashion but instead have chosen to get a bit personal and argue? Oh well that's forums for you.
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Old 13-01-2016, 08:31
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I think there are a lot of people who used to own all the early records on vinyl and are now spurred to replace them with CDs or mp3s. It has made me investigate some of the ones I missed, and although I still don't like the first three of the 1990s (what he admits was his Phil Collins period), I love Hours and after taking the trouble to listen to it properly, I now realise what a great album Outside was.

Blackstar is up there with one of his best, although the title track owes a huge debt to the more obscure of Scott Walker's output – something that I feel sure was intentional.
Which 3 are those? Black Tie, Outside & Earthling are his first 3 solo albums of the 90's. Hours.. is far more Phil Collins that those, if fact Hours.. is pretty much pure adult contempary.
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Old 13-01-2016, 08:54
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Which 3 are those? Black Tie, Outside & Earthling are his first 3 solo albums of the 90's. Hours.. is far more Phil Collins that those, if fact Hours.. is pretty much pure adult contempary.
I agree. I quite liked Black Tie, White Noise. It was the first decent album he had released for some time and was certainly quite highly praised by critics. Personally for me it wasn't until he released Heathen in 2002 that he released another good album.
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Old 13-01-2016, 09:02
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I buy music I like including stacks of stuff by dead people!
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Old 13-01-2016, 10:26
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I LOVE David Bowie and have most of the stuff of his I liked. I would not re-buy anything though now.

I think its a sign of respect when people do.
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Old 13-01-2016, 10:29
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Even Cilla Black, who hadn't been relevant or in the spotlight for years and who supposedly many people hated, had songs shooting up the charts when she died.

I am not being negative. I'm not denying artists the success they deserve or trying to be down on people in general but I honestly feel there is undeniably a very obvious trend when it comes to this kind of thing.
I didn't get the Cilla one. The ONLY song of hers I have liked is La La I love you (from the Please Sir!) soundtrack.

Would not go out and buy an artist's song I have never bought from before just because they had passed.

I'd have to have been a fan previously to think about doing that.
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Old 13-01-2016, 10:59
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Like the OP and Doghouse Riley, I also put it down to herd mentality, for the most part but I'm sure there are also plenty of people who do just hear the songs and decide they like them enough to buy/try more of the artist's work to be fair.
That is not what I've been doing in any way, shape or form at all and I don't know if you are misreading what I'm saying on purpose just to argue, or what.

The OP, Doghouse Riley and I are clearly not talking about people who are already fans of these artist - that's the point of the thread. We are also clearly not wishing ill to these artists, we simply feel we have noticed a trend...that's it. Obviously people are free to disagree but some seem not like the fact that this opinion has been expressed in the first place.
It is a reply to yourselves first describing fans who bought the record (now he's passed) as having a herd mentality, its not argumentative. I just threw it back to yourselves, and also stated why it wasn't and how ridiculous it was to assume so.
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Old 13-01-2016, 11:16
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It is a reply to yourselves first describing fans who bought the record (now he's passed) as having a herd mentality, its not argumentative. I just threw it back to yourselves, and also stated why it wasn't and how ridiculous it was to assume so.
You seem to be absolutely determined to keep an argument going about this and I can't be bothered. I've made my point more than clearly and politely enough.
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Old 13-01-2016, 11:19
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I didn't get the Cilla one. The ONLY song of hers I have liked is La La I love you (from the Please Sir!) soundtrack.

Would not go out and buy an artist's song I have never bought from before just because they had passed.

I'd have to have been a fan previously to think about doing that.
I understand. I'm the same way.

I'm really not sure why certain other posters are trying to act like I've written something nasty because I didn't mean to be insulting (I don't think to suggest there is a "herd mentality" in society is automatically an insult), I was just agreeing with the OP and others.
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Old 13-01-2016, 11:25
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I bought Bowie's Greatest Hits album yesterday.

Obviously a lot of his music was being played on TV and Radio, it reminded me how great it is, I realised I didnt own any other than on compiation albums and put it right.

No kneejerk reaction, herd mentality or whatever you want to call it. Its sad it took that for me to buy it though. Incidentally I have no interest in buying his new album.
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Old 13-01-2016, 11:26
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I'm really not sure why certain other posters are trying to act like I've written something nasty because I didn't mean to be insulting (I don't think to suggest there is a "herd mentality" in society is automatically an insult), I was just agreeing with the OP and others.
Because it's a fallacy to claim it's "herd mentality". People are buying the music because they want to, whether they are old or new fans. They are not buying it because other people are.
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:00
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His new album is likely to sell more than "The Next Day" simply because the two singles from it have had much, much more airplay and exposure than the singles from "The Next Day". I hadn't heard either single up until Monday but now I know 'Lazarus' at least off by heart. Who knows, maybe if it hadn't been played over and over I would have never got round to listening to the album
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:10
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I bought Bowie's Greatest Hits album yesterday.

Obviously a lot of his music was being played on TV and Radio, it reminded me how great it is, I realised I didnt own any other than on compiation albums and put it right.

No kneejerk reaction, herd mentality or whatever you want to call it. Its sad it took that for me to buy it though. Incidentally I have no interest in buying his new album.
Why do you have no interest in buying his new album?
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:11
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You seem to be absolutely determined to keep an argument going about this and I can't be bothered. I've made my point more than clearly and politely enough.
I was responding to your posts??
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:21
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Why do you have no interest in buying his new album?
Ive heard nothing from it.
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:38
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Ive heard nothing from it.
You can hear some tracks on youtube or some of the more decent radio stations have played some tracks off it.
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Old 13-01-2016, 12:40
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Ive heard nothing from it.
Title track Blackstar

https://youtu.be/kszLwBaC4Sw

Lazarus

https://youtu.be/y-JqH1M4Ya8
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