I dont get what happened between Tiff getting the wrong end of the stick and going a bit crazy and then everyone wanting her out - something else must have happened in between.

Anyone else find it strange as shown?

Yeah they were making comments about being in danger if she stayed but I'm not sure how they are in danger.

It definitely felt like there was more to it than we saw.

There's clearly been a lot of stuff going on that we've not been shown.

They were all whinging about Tiffany not pulling her weight around the house. That would probably have been a nom reason if she wasn't immune and if the David farce hadn't happened.

I'm confused as well. I think it was the aggressive way she was shouting at Angie when she realised David Gest wasn't dead. Angie recoiled.

You're right, OP. It doesn't make sense. There was a misunderstanding. Tempers flared. But then suddenly John's saying 'Everyone wants her out'. Either we've missed something pretty significant or ...??

Jonathan is on BOTS tonight so I hope he can tells us why.

Yes didn't add up. She wasn't physical at all?!

No it was most certainly weird. I am certain we are all missing some vital data.

The cynic in me thinks this may have been edited to maximise farce over objectivity.

It's a 45 minute show. There is 15 (or was at the time) housemates so you're looking at up to 360 HOURS of footage each day that needs to be edited down so we never get a full idea of what's gone on.

Tiffany was in the Diary Room for more than an hour as it was and yet we only saw her say about 2 lines from that huge chat.

Or to protect her. I think she must have been pretty bad TBH - I know BB clearly isn't bothered about things being in bad taste but maybe it was just too bad.

I'm with everyone. It definitely feels like something happened that we didn't see. If not, a load of those housemates, particularly John, are pretty horrible people.

Yes I know that but when you have a section like "we all want you out we dont feel safe" and Kristina adamant that she didnt want to stay if Tiffany does, you have to explain where this comes from if only for 30 seconds. The whole Jonathan leaving section could have been shortened.

You cant watch a program and follow it if you are seeing the fallout from something you have not been made aware of in the first place. I have watched BB since series one and never have I been left confused so often by things that are shown that appear to have no context as much as in this series

No you are quite right and some of their faces seemed genuinely fearful at times. Far more than would have been expected from what we saw of Tiffany; which was really just a lot of ranting.

I don't understand, either...and I can't see the point of editing anything bad out.

All this "I don't feel safe, "she must go" stuff just seemed like a mass hysterical over reaction. Only Nancy bothered to diffuse it like an adult.

I think a lot of them were just trying to look good.

And why did Angie tell her when she didn't have to? IT's not as if Tiff pushed her for info, she gave it easy, then missed off "Bowie".

On LF last night they were all exhausted and kept going on about what a horrible day it had been. Obviously it has to be edited down but I think it all went on longer, louder and harder than we saw. also Gemma telling her that she really can't carry on like that as people won't stand for it was quite telling.

I think some have come out looking bad tonight but I think their stance was possibly very justified. I think Tiffany took this as her cue to play the bitch/diva and it was inappropriate IMO when someone has suffered a bereavement.

I think it's only fair to be given a 'truer' representation.

Yes!
Kristina saying she didn't want to sleep in the same room...like tiffny was going to stab her in the night or something
Looks like something was said ...John suddenly saying she needs to leave the house

They did have to hold her back when Angie was crying. But Tiffany said she wasn't going to hit her. But it still wasn't nice to shout and square up to a crying woman.

Quite obvious that alot more went on than we saw, Kristina seemed genuinely scared along with Angie who seemed terrified of Tiff anywhere near her and the way in which Angie was being physically protected by the others.

Seems Tiff may have recieved quite a good edit considering.

I think they just over acted and acted badly, much like Tiffany did, but they didn't apologise.

Christopher also tried the mature and adult path later on trying to get people to listen to Tiffany so it could all be sorted out but his efforts were rejected.

Not that we saw ....
But as 1 hm had already left I guess they didn't want to chuck one out

At the risk of sounding harsh I believe Angie was milking it a bit when she realised the attention she could get out of it. Her initial reaction at the news of Bowie's death was honest, she hadn't seen him for years and its the end of an era etc. She was a bit of a drama queen when John and David came into the DR and about keeping it secret then immediately telling the loudest person in the house! I think it was mass hysteria from there on in, with all the HMs assuming that Angie must be going through this massive grief and overdoing the protection of her while Angie went along with it now she is in everyone's good books. Obviously a lot was edited but I think we got the gist, everyone just reacted way over the top to something not based on anything real. That became a 'dangerous' situation emotionally and was conveniently mass projected onto the main protagonist Tiffany (who I am sure is not seriously threatening or there would have been DR warnings we'd have seen).

All of this could have been avoided if they had just sent Federico BB4 in to tell them.

I didn't see Angie as milking it at all, her reaction to the passing of David in the DR was very honest but her distress after the event was because she was scared of the shouting and chaos that Tiff was causing, she seemed genuinely terrified of the Banshee screaming at her and calling her a liar. And I would guess that Tiff did get a warning in the DR, why else would she come out so meek and contrite?