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Results:Did John attempt to bully Tiffany in tonight's episode?
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Did John attempt to bully Tiffany in tonight's episode?
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Originally Posted by DomJolly:
“he saw an opportunity to get rid of someone”
“he saw an opportunity to get rid of someone”
I agree. Despisable character.
Bully is a very strong word.
One thing I cannot STAND in BB, however, (and John is not the only one guilty of this over the years) is when housemates appoint themselves as the spokesperson of the house. "They don't want you to stay in here".... If "they" feel that way, then for God's sake, let "them" say it for crying out loud.
One thing I cannot STAND in BB, however, (and John is not the only one guilty of this over the years) is when housemates appoint themselves as the spokesperson of the house. "They don't want you to stay in here".... If "they" feel that way, then for God's sake, let "them" say it for crying out loud.
Thought he was the obvious winner. John took the high ground and uncalled for. Was big gameplan that's backfired.
Gemma however has come out of this very well the she advised Tiffany afterwards firm but fair. I think Gemma definitely is the one to beat. And most likely winner now
Gemma however has come out of this very well the she advised Tiffany afterwards firm but fair. I think Gemma definitely is the one to beat. And most likely winner now
Bullied? Pissing myself laughing. I think he was offended because someone in the house had lost somebody that was very important in their life and Tiffany kicked off on a a misunderstanding, was aggressive to the grieving woman instead of apologising and made it all about herself. This forum makes me laugh.
Originally Posted by fredthespider:
“Bullied? Pissing myself laughing. I think he was offended because someone in the house had lost somebody that was very important in their life and Tiffany kicked off on a a misunderstanding, was aggressive to the grieving woman instead of apologising and made it all about herself. This forum makes me laugh.”
“Bullied? Pissing myself laughing. I think he was offended because someone in the house had lost somebody that was very important in their life and Tiffany kicked off on a a misunderstanding, was aggressive to the grieving woman instead of apologising and made it all about herself. This forum makes me laugh.”
You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.
Originally Posted by casa_nova:
“Thought he was the obvious winner. John took the high ground and uncalled for. Was big gameplan that's backfired.
Gemma however has come out of this very well the she advised Tiffany afterwards firm but fair. I think Gemma definitely is the one to beat. And most likely winner now”
“Thought he was the obvious winner. John took the high ground and uncalled for. Was big gameplan that's backfired.
Gemma however has come out of this very well the she advised Tiffany afterwards firm but fair. I think Gemma definitely is the one to beat. And most likely winner now”
She did say she wanted her shoes back though
Joking aside - the fact that she said that and the fact that no one contradicted John in what he was saying is pretty much proof that the whole house did indeed want her out. There was obviously far more going on than we saw - I don't think it was over in a matter of minutes - I think her ranting and carrying on went on for most of the day.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“She did say she wanted her shoes back though
Joking aside - the fact that she said that and the fact that no one contradicted John in what he was saying is pretty much proof that the whole house did indeed want her out. There was obviously far more going on than we saw - I don't think it was over in a matter of minutes - I think her ranting and carrying on went on for most of the day.”
“She did say she wanted her shoes back though
Joking aside - the fact that she said that and the fact that no one contradicted John in what he was saying is pretty much proof that the whole house did indeed want her out. There was obviously far more going on than we saw - I don't think it was over in a matter of minutes - I think her ranting and carrying on went on for most of the day.”
I'm not sure I agree with that as the dislike of Tiffany seemed to move from being afraid 'roll eyes' of her to being sick of her not doing things for herself. Gemma even said when she read her the riot act in her inimitable way to forget the death thing as that was over and do more around the House for others. If they were genuinely frightened would they really all suddenly be in a huff about her not making them tea and toast enough
Also, Tiffany was by herself and calm for a significant period of the episode when she was being ignored by everyone albeit she did try to apologise.
The whole house didn't express fear either just Angie I think and she was in the middle of her own little melodrama.
Originally Posted by AndrewPd:
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
I very much agree with all you have written here.
Yes he did. He succeded to an extent.
He doesnt even know the full story though. Obviously diliked Tiffany before this.
He doesnt even know the full story though. Obviously diliked Tiffany before this.
Originally Posted by AndrewPd:
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
Yup. Totally agree
Get out of bed first love Gemma before you tell somene else to pull their weight around the house, also Tiffany should just stop trying to repair the relationship with other housemates she already apologised and there still cold, just do your own thing tbh. Tiffany thought David Gest had died and was actually traumitised by the thought especially since Angie finds it difficult to say David Bowie instead of just David. Just ,my thoughts.
Yes John did maybe Tiffany overeacted but it was justified, John tried to lead a full on eviction against her and alienate her in a house where all should feel welcome, I'd be pi$$ed I would full on bite back. Big Brother needs to add in another person for Tiffany frankly and give them immunity for the week.
She aologised even though she shouldn't of had to and even though it had nothing to do with John he butted in. Theres picking fights in the BB house with just shouting at each other and then theres bullying which hits closer to home, John did the latter.
Frankly I liked John better on BOTS all he does now is.try to act like hes above everyone else and just sits and judges other people when frankly he needs to look at himself.
Tiffany thought David Gest, someone she had gotten close to in the house had died of cancer of course she will go mental when Angie said that it wasn't him learn how to form a sentence that isn't misleading and stop hiding behind Darren Day. I feel sorry for Angie but why is Tiffany apologsing I'm confused.
Lastly, Kristina, Darling I love you but please just shut the f**k up, about stress for your baby, well don't f**king come on BB then what does she even comtribute besides washing and cooking shes like. Gail V2 but Gail started to come out of her shell and was more open and much better than Kristina quite frankly.
Yes John did maybe Tiffany overeacted but it was justified, John tried to lead a full on eviction against her and alienate her in a house where all should feel welcome, I'd be pi$$ed I would full on bite back. Big Brother needs to add in another person for Tiffany frankly and give them immunity for the week.
She aologised even though she shouldn't of had to and even though it had nothing to do with John he butted in. Theres picking fights in the BB house with just shouting at each other and then theres bullying which hits closer to home, John did the latter.
Frankly I liked John better on BOTS all he does now is.try to act like hes above everyone else and just sits and judges other people when frankly he needs to look at himself.
Tiffany thought David Gest, someone she had gotten close to in the house had died of cancer of course she will go mental when Angie said that it wasn't him learn how to form a sentence that isn't misleading and stop hiding behind Darren Day. I feel sorry for Angie but why is Tiffany apologsing I'm confused.
Lastly, Kristina, Darling I love you but please just shut the f**k up, about stress for your baby, well don't f**king come on BB then what does she even comtribute besides washing and cooking shes like. Gail V2 but Gail started to come out of her shell and was more open and much better than Kristina quite frankly.
BB should have issued him a formal warning to be honest for trying to bully and encourage the eviction of another housemate. He got off extremely lightly, but at least he hasn't a hope in hell of winning the show now.
Originally Posted by taywife:
“Wow. The "Bully" card out of the gates quite quickly.”
“Wow. The "Bully" card out of the gates quite quickly.”
It came out of the gates quickly because thats what it was Tiffany had thought Angie meant David Gest died of cancer if Angie learned how to speak properly the whole situation wouldn't have started and the only reason she went crazy is because she thought someone she hoad gotten so close in the house with had died of something so serious as Cancer which is perfectly justified.
However John came into someing that had nothing to do with him and try to make the other HM's alienate and practically all gang up on Tiffany when nominating that isn't on in House where all should feel welcome.
Sorry if people can't see that then you should've went specsavers.
But I'm glad the poll shows that most people can tell the difference between senseless shouting and fighting, and actual bullying. He should've been called to the Diary Room to be honest.
Originally Posted by Kick_Boxer:
“Yes he did! Without a doubt.”
“Yes he did! Without a doubt.”
Fully agree, someone also posted the transcript and Angie needs to learn to convey information properly.
I don't think so, but if they continue to ostracise her then I would think differently.
I feel like Tiffany was the one in the wrong today, but I don't like to see anyone ostracised from the group. I can understand the initial anger at her, but I think it depends on how things go in the follow days.
Also John was not there was the initial kick off so I think he saw Tiffany from her angry stance not the initial shocked stance. He is also a watcher of the show going by his BOTS appearances and I think to most people who are aware of the show we know that someone dying is not going to revealed in hush tones to a housemate by another housemate (to be honest though I think Tiffany should have realised this too, I know she's american and maybe not as aware of the UK show, but come on?!? There a BB USA right?).
I feel like Tiffany was the one in the wrong today, but I don't like to see anyone ostracised from the group. I can understand the initial anger at her, but I think it depends on how things go in the follow days.
Also John was not there was the initial kick off so I think he saw Tiffany from her angry stance not the initial shocked stance. He is also a watcher of the show going by his BOTS appearances and I think to most people who are aware of the show we know that someone dying is not going to revealed in hush tones to a housemate by another housemate (to be honest though I think Tiffany should have realised this too, I know she's american and maybe not as aware of the UK show, but come on?!? There a BB USA right?).
Originally Posted by Penfolds_place:
“I don't think so, but if they continue to ostracise her then I would think differently.
I feel like Tiffany was the one in the wrong today, but I don't like to see anyone ostracised from the group. I can understand the initial anger at her, but I think it depends on how things go in the follow days.
Also John was not there was the initial kick off so I think he saw Tiffany from her angry stance not the initial shocked stance. He is also a watcher of the show going by his BOTS appearances and I think to most people who are aware of the show we know that someone dying is not going to revealed in hush tones to a housemate by another housemate (to be honest though I think Tiffany should have realised this too, I know she's american and maybe not as aware of the UK show, but come on?!? There a BB USA right?).”
“I don't think so, but if they continue to ostracise her then I would think differently.
I feel like Tiffany was the one in the wrong today, but I don't like to see anyone ostracised from the group. I can understand the initial anger at her, but I think it depends on how things go in the follow days.
Also John was not there was the initial kick off so I think he saw Tiffany from her angry stance not the initial shocked stance. He is also a watcher of the show going by his BOTS appearances and I think to most people who are aware of the show we know that someone dying is not going to revealed in hush tones to a housemate by another housemate (to be honest though I think Tiffany should have realised this too, I know she's american and maybe not as aware of the UK show, but come on?!? There a BB USA right?).”
Yeah so hes judging Tiffany by her stance, theres a reaosn when people are angry and he should've realised that the only reason Angie got brownie points because her ex thats shes slagged of for years have died, Its Angies fault the person who causes the problem in the first place is why it happens if she learned to say the word Bowie after David everyone would've been calm and Tiffany wouldn't need to be alienated.
Also I think Tiffany said she already felt distant I think BB should do a twist where they evict a person and add im another one to balance out the odds and to actually spice things up and make them interesting.
Originally Posted by AndrewPd:
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
“You missed out the bit were Tiffany was very upset herself when she though David Gest had died.
Johns outrage was sanctimonious and self serving.
I will have to watch the Episode again in a years time to try and get a fresh perspective on it.
David and Angie hadn't seen each others for decades and she is also estranged form her son with him. It is not like she lost someone she was still married to or divorced a few years ago. She didn't need treating with Kid gloves and I don't know what to make of her reaction based on the previous state of her relationship with DB,
The moral outrage mob are a lynch mob.”
Put it this way if Nikki Grahame was in Tiffany's shoes and had a misunderstanding like that, then flipped out angrily thinking she had been lied to in the midst of things...the whole house would be taking her under their wing regardless. There is stereo typing i know alot of people like to be in denial about what's racist and what's not, but scientifically mist people stereo type on race, sex and age without even realising they are doing it. John's and Kristinas reaction says it all, everyone else is just following the mob
Originally Posted by fredthespider:
“Bullied? Pissing myself laughing. I think he was offended because someone in the house had lost somebody that was very important in their life and Tiffany kicked off on a a misunderstanding, was aggressive to the grieving woman instead of apologising and made it all about herself. This forum makes me laugh.”
“Bullied? Pissing myself laughing. I think he was offended because someone in the house had lost somebody that was very important in their life and Tiffany kicked off on a a misunderstanding, was aggressive to the grieving woman instead of apologising and made it all about herself. This forum makes me laugh.”
Yep completely agree. Tiffany has real anger issues and I wouldn't be surprised to see her act so aggressively again, probably resulting in her being removed from the house.
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“Yeah so hes judging Tiffany by her stance, theres a reaosn when people are angry and he should've realised that the only reason Angie got brownie points because her ex thats shes slagged of for years have died, Its Angies fault the person who causes the problem in the first place is why it happens if she learned to say the word Bowie after David everyone would've been calm and Tiffany wouldn't need to be alienated.”
“Yeah so hes judging Tiffany by her stance, theres a reaosn when people are angry and he should've realised that the only reason Angie got brownie points because her ex thats shes slagged of for years have died, Its Angies fault the person who causes the problem in the first place is why it happens if she learned to say the word Bowie after David everyone would've been calm and Tiffany wouldn't need to be alienated.”
People aren't always angry for a justifiable reason though. Tiffany flipped out and was totally wrong to do so. There is no argument about that. Do you honestly think Angie should have been the one apologising to Tiffany? You seem to have a real issue with Angie Bowie that is clouding your judgment on this.
Originally Posted by Mr_Lover_Man:
“Put it this way if Nikki Grahame was in Tiffany's shoes and had a misunderstanding like that, then flipped out angrily thinking she had been lied to in the midst of things...the whole house would be taking her under their wing regardless. There is stereo typing i know alot of people like to be in denial about what's racist and what's not, but scientifically mist people stereo type on race, sex and age without even realising they are doing it. John's and Kristinas reaction says it all, everyone else is just following the mob”
“Put it this way if Nikki Grahame was in Tiffany's shoes and had a misunderstanding like that, then flipped out angrily thinking she had been lied to in the midst of things...the whole house would be taking her under their wing regardless. There is stereo typing i know alot of people like to be in denial about what's racist and what's not, but scientifically mist people stereo type on race, sex and age without even realising they are doing it. John's and Kristinas reaction says it all, everyone else is just following the mob”
So the main reason everyone reacted angrily was because they are subconsciously racist? Tiffany was 100% in the right then was she?
Last edited by FunboyFandango : 13-01-2016 at 04:43
I've said no as i don't think he did 'bully' her.
He at first tried to talk to her reasonably abd she responded hysterically and nastily re Angie. The first time, perhaps understandable as i truly believe she did misunderstand but there was really no excuse once John and David (and possibly BB offscreen) had clarified exactly who had died.
Tiffany didn't want to admit she was wrong. Had misunderstood (understandably) the situation which did her no favours, and calling a recently bereaved woman names in an over the top fashion would make me wary to be around her too.
For all that, he is not the boss of the House. If the majority wanted her out, they should have gone to the Diary Room, as a group or one to one, to inform BB of that and let it go from there.
In that respect, he overstepped his authority.
He at first tried to talk to her reasonably abd she responded hysterically and nastily re Angie. The first time, perhaps understandable as i truly believe she did misunderstand but there was really no excuse once John and David (and possibly BB offscreen) had clarified exactly who had died.
Tiffany didn't want to admit she was wrong. Had misunderstood (understandably) the situation which did her no favours, and calling a recently bereaved woman names in an over the top fashion would make me wary to be around her too.
For all that, he is not the boss of the House. If the majority wanted her out, they should have gone to the Diary Room, as a group or one to one, to inform BB of that and let it go from there.
In that respect, he overstepped his authority.
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