The numbers have spoken. John is a bully and is now the villain.

Because people who know the show, know that's a situation where they'll remove someone.

It's the truth

I don't like using 'bully', but watching him specifically and for no real reason make it his mission to whip up a frenzy against her in the group makes me feel he was bullying her. He singled her out and asked her to leave. He took nothing and tried desperately to make it into something. He's been posturing himself to do that since the start...it'll be interesting if he thinks about his actions or if BB gives him a hint (tweet from a viewer) or somethihng so he changes tactics.

I didn't watch it, but generally if you have to ask the question, the answer is usually no.

Agree. It was Tiffany's aggressive attitude which John was reacting to. There were people in the house who were genuinely scared by her behaviour. John did not bully Tiffany. If anyone was doing the bullying, it was Tiffany towards Angie.

That's my feelings too - I watched thinking - Scared of her?

There is definitely a group bullying mentality amongst sobs of the housemates John, Danirlla and Kristina.

And what is funny is that Daniella was originally calling for Angie to go - when she thought she'd lied about David Guest being dead.

Big Brother should have removed Tiffany from the house. At least John had the balls to tell her to go, but she is too stupid to do the right thing.

Its interesting when he was emotionally bullying Winston everyone thought he was great. Now he's acting the same way with someone else suddenly people wake up.

They always say we see a lot about a person in how they deal with people they don't like.

I didn't like the way he immediately slammed down the idea of them all having a chat and saying she has to go, that seemed a bit OTT but does have me wondering what the hell is she doing (tiff) at other times that have got the hm's so fed up, it can't be just the dead davids...

I'v never known housemates to seemingly behave so disproportionately toward a fellow housemate, there's more to it, has to be. I wouldn't call John or any of them Bullies personally, despite appearances to the contrary. I do wonder what the hell happened on last nights show.

If you've been watching the edit evolve over the C5 generation you'll be aware of how context to rows vanishes into the etha, we see the "what", but the "why" is missing. It's been getting steadily worse every BB/CBB.

That bathroom scene where John, Johnathan and the Essex girl had it out with Tiff was cut to f*ck imo, i suspect, in reality, it was a convo where they discussed why they wanted her out in sufficient detail to make Tiffany realize she had done wrong (if indeed she had), that's just how people are, they seek to justify their punitive actions when they feel they have "right" on their side. What made the cut though, was the other stuff, it looked to me like three witch hunter generals surrounding their prey and passing judgement. Tiff the innocent damsel in distress, typical Saint & Sinner story telling through narrative driven editing.

But maybe the "more to it" isn't that at all, maybe the Housemates are trapped in a hysteria bubble created by their reaction to Winston being blessed by the baying crowed a few nights ago, also the theme's quietly working it's magical effect in the background, what is the theme again, something to do with acting up?

There's more to it, and it's got my Sherlocks all in a tither

I agree there maybe something we haven't seen.Much has been made of Tiff's fiestiness -and here we see her backed into a corner by some pretty vile housemates over a situation she hasn't chosen to be in, and can't work out how the hell she's ended up there!
I absolutely wouldn't blame her if she blew up and unleashed hell on them!

Perhaps this happened.

I haven't watched last nights episode yet, but I can't imagine Tiffany being bullied... not many can shout or swear as loud as she can.

There seemed to be a large chunk of action edited out from last night's show. It went from the farcical misunderstanding, to Tiffany being public enemy No.1

No, get a grip. He is just an annoying arsehole. Tiffany can more than defend herself.

My feelings entirely.

Some people here don't seem to remember much of the show. I posted this in another chat thread:

Tiffany had calmed down when she left the diary room, but had not changed her attitude towards Angie at all, and was refusing to do so the entire day. The HMs spent the entire day trying to talk her around to no avail, and by the evening, they were totally pissed off with her. At one point it became pretty clear that the group had decided that they would walk out if BB didn't tell Tiffany to leave. They wanted Tiffany to revise her attitude towards Angie, but Tiffany was point blank refusing to do so.

John basically was just stating what everyone was thinking. He said it first, but had he not, one of the others would have said it, because they immediately backed him up. They were not bullying Tiffany by refusing to let her off with the bad behaviour. It took the refusal to have a group chat to finally get her to climb down and apologise to Angie.

As it was she threw a very insincere sounding apology at Angie, who thankfully was generous enough to make up the shortfall and build the rest of their bridge. Tiffany should have followed that up with an apology to the entire group for ruining their day and negating their prolonged attempts at peace-making. It was plain how strongly everyone felt when Tiffany offered to make them a drink, and they practically refused in unison. They were all hurt and upset, and I don't blame them. I hate bullying in any form, but I don't think they were bullying her. Their reaction was all too human. A cursory apology to one person which comes hours late does not make everything hunky-dory with everyone else. Tiffany should have offered a more sincere apology to Angie, then apologised to the whole group for spoiling the entire day, and also made clear that regardless of the initial misunderstanding, she was entirely in the wrong for her behaviour for the rest of the day. Angie's situation is desperately sad, and it should have been a day for love, compassion, caring and shared reminiscences. TIffany made it all about herself. It's not that easily forgiven, to be honest. She has an awful lot of growing up to do.

Well said Flora.
The initial misunderstanding took place during the day, and Gemma's little pep talk to Tiffany in the garden asking her to go inside and offer to help with the washing up or make tea, in an attempt to build bridges, took place in the wee small hours of the morning, so there was a huge chunk of "action" that we were not privy to.

This. If anyone knows the show, John does.

come on, Tiffany hasn't made John a cup of tea all week let alone wash up or mop the floor, that sort of behaviour deserves all the persecution and intolerance that he can muster

I dunno, they all seemed pretty hyped and probably said stuff in the heat of the moment, as humans do.

From watching that episode all I can surmise is that a chunk of Tiff's behaviour didn't make the edit. I know they're drama queens, however, it was all so OTT they've got to have left something out.

And that awful sneering face he uses.

I have no idea why so many D-list celebs out there love him, maybe it's because he makes them laugh with his bitchy comments. Ohhhhhh I've just thought, maybe John wants to be the HBIC

Well, since the problem started first thing in the morning, and everyone had finished eating their evening meal by the time she was willing to come to talk to everyone about it, it seems pretty obvious to me that they had had a whole day of her refusing to climb down from her position of accusing Angie of being a bitch and setting her up by saying that David Gest had died. It was totally appalling behaviour and led to Jonathon leaving, and the rest threatening to leave, as the natural instinct is to show some respect to the dead and give support to the bereaved, rather than call the bereaved person a bitch and rail at them, and behave like such a prima donna that the entire focus of attention is on themselves, rather than the person who has died.

However I think you are right. We've only seen minutes out of what must have been a horrible day for them all.

I'm glad you brought this up. I thought I misheard her saying this as nothing was put on here about it. One minute Angie 'had to go' next minute Tiffany 'had to go!! Who the hell do they think they are?

Angie wasn't recently bereaved. David Bowies wife and children were.

Check out Jonathan on Lorraine ( there's a clip on here ) the 'carry on' did not lead him to leave!! He's been thinking about leaving since Friday. In fact he hasn't really got a good word to say about Angie. More or less said she had no right being upset as she divorced from David Bowie over 30 yrs ago.