Originally Posted by achro:
“Not just here. Social media hates him MORE than Tiffany. It's hilarious.”
“Not just here. Social media hates him MORE than Tiffany. It's hilarious.”
I find it bemusing and a bit scary myself.
I knew this forum would target John
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Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
John said Angie has had some news and he couldn't say any more and he said that and the others still looked bewildered as he didn't elaborate and tell them Angie had just heard David Bowie her ex husband had died and that Tiffany thought that she meant David Gest ,
it wasn't made clear by John and he could have diffused that situation for Tiffany but he didn't .
Tiffany went on the defensive
that's obviously the way she reacts when feeling cornered and ganged up on
she gave a nervous laugh and that was just how she reacted
John said to her "everyone wants you to leave" "you should leave", "the others are scared of you"
we saw no evidence to warrant the others to be scared of Tiffany, she thought to start that David Gest was lying in the bedroom dead, and couldn't handle that kind of information, it all happened very quickly by looks it all and everyone reacted OTT , but John was just plain nasty and smug , the guy likes to control situations in that house
and judging by who he's just nominated, he is playing the game and nominating in a calculating manipulative way , and thinking about himself and the competiton he may have in that house . I think he's the slyest in that house
Originally Posted by Ibiza_Lad:
“Majority on here have a habit of going after the 'father figures' and accusing them of being domineering bullies
I think John dealt with that very well actually”
“Majority on here have a habit of going after the 'father figures' and accusing them of being domineering bullies
I think John dealt with that very well actually”
I'm failing to see where John could be described as the "father figure" of the house.
And no, he did not handle that well. In any respect.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“Tiffany went on the defensive
that's obviously the way she reacts when feeling cornered and ganged up on
she gave a nervous laugh and that was just how she reacted
John said to her "everyone wants you to leave" "you should leave", "the others are scared of you"
we saw no evidence to warrant the others to be scared of Tiffany, she thought to start that David Gest was lying in the bedroom dead, and couldn't handle that kind of information, it all happened very quickly by looks it all and everyone reacted OTT , but John was just plain nasty and smug , the guy likes to control situations in that house
and judging by who he's just nominated, he is playing the game and nominating in a calculating manipulative way , and thinking about himself and the competiton he may have in that house . I think he's the slyest in that house”
“Tiffany went on the defensive
that's obviously the way she reacts when feeling cornered and ganged up on
she gave a nervous laugh and that was just how she reacted
John said to her "everyone wants you to leave" "you should leave", "the others are scared of you"
we saw no evidence to warrant the others to be scared of Tiffany, she thought to start that David Gest was lying in the bedroom dead, and couldn't handle that kind of information, it all happened very quickly by looks it all and everyone reacted OTT , but John was just plain nasty and smug , the guy likes to control situations in that house
and judging by who he's just nominated, he is playing the game and nominating in a calculating manipulative way , and thinking about himself and the competiton he may have in that house . I think he's the slyest in that house”
What? She lunged at Angie and Kristina said she was scared, the others agreed and Gemma CONFIRMED that the group in the bedroom (most of them) wanted her to leave.
It didn't happen quickly at all. And most of the aggression and shoutiness went on AFTER John had told everyone it was a mistake.
Liking to control is one thing, but trying to suggest it was somehow all down to him is laughable.
No one covered themselves in glory, and he shouldn't have been spokesperson, but Tiff's the one at fault here, MASSIVELY. And it was for her horrible behaviour AFTER John told everyone including her that she'd made a mistake.
Originally Posted by danielleh:
“I'm failing to see where John could be described as the "father figure" of the house.
And no, he did not handle that well. In any respect.”
“I'm failing to see where John could be described as the "father figure" of the house.
And no, he did not handle that well. In any respect.”
I think Darrens the competition to John
as Darrens coming across as very sensible and level headed
and John wants to be the alpha male in the house and he's appointed himself as head of the house , father figure is another term perhaps to describe how he sees himself
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
Completely agree, especially the BiB. She knew she'd made a horrific mistake but couldn't own up to it.
Originally Posted by dylan99:
“When he were stood there in his towel, if he just said david bowie has died, so when she told you david is dead..”
“When he were stood there in his towel, if he just said david bowie has died, so when she told you david is dead..”
It wasn't his news to tell
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“I must admit I didn't like the way he rejected Christophers attempts to get a group chat to sort it out.”
“I must admit I didn't like the way he rejected Christophers attempts to get a group chat to sort it out.”
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“I think Darrens the competition to John
as Darrens coming across as very sensible and level headed
and John wants to be the alpha male in the house and he's appointed himself as head of the house , father figure is another term perhaps to describe how he sees himself”
“I think Darrens the competition to John
as Darrens coming across as very sensible and level headed
and John wants to be the alpha male in the house and he's appointed himself as head of the house , father figure is another term perhaps to describe how he sees himself”
I agree.
Originally Posted by dylan99:
“When he were stood there in his towel, if he just said david bowie has died, so when she told you david is dead..”
“When he were stood there in his towel, if he just said david bowie has died, so when she told you david is dead..”
that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“from Tiffany's angle, she thought Angie had made it up that David Gest had died,
which is why she kicked off later , but
she apologised to Angie once she realised the truth and offered her condolences
John could have diffused all of that as he knew what news Angie had been told, yet he didn't say all of it to the HMs, only that Angie had been given some bad news and he could have explained what had happened to get heat off Tiffany whose reaction was shock and she didn't know how to handle that kind of information
john came out badly in all that
he was very nasty to Tiffany and what he told her in the bathroom was just plain bullying and not at all necessary , he tries to deliver things as if he's voice of reason , but what he did was fuel Tiffany being isolated by the group”
“from Tiffany's angle, she thought Angie had made it up that David Gest had died,
which is why she kicked off later , but
she apologised to Angie once she realised the truth and offered her condolences
John could have diffused all of that as he knew what news Angie had been told, yet he didn't say all of it to the HMs, only that Angie had been given some bad news and he could have explained what had happened to get heat off Tiffany whose reaction was shock and she didn't know how to handle that kind of information
john came out badly in all that
he was very nasty to Tiffany and what he told her in the bathroom was just plain bullying and not at all necessary , he tries to deliver things as if he's voice of reason , but what he did was fuel Tiffany being isolated by the group”
No she didn't. On LF last night Christina repeated over and over again that she couldn't believe that she'd waited until 2am to apologise.
Obviously her timing was out but it's clear it was very, very late in the day before she apologised. I think she was ranting and cussing for hours on end. all very unnecessary.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
How could he say it was David Bowie though when it was not for him to give a name. He said quite clearly that it was not David Gest.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
That's more or less what he did isn't it?
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
“that's it
that's all he had to do
but he didn't”
*bangs head on desk*! It wasn't his news to tell!!! John and David agreed that they would let Angie tell the others when she was ready.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“That's more or less what he did isn't it?”
“That's more or less what he did isn't it?
”
Yes he did, and Tiff heard, which is why she started getting aggressive about Angie lying to her and the rest of the nasty guff. For ages.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“No she didn't. On LF last night Christina repeated over and over again that she couldn't believe that she'd waited until 2am to apologise.
Obviously her timing was out but it's clear it was very, very late in the day before she apologised. I think she was ranting and cussing for hours on end. all very unnecessary.”
“No she didn't. On LF last night Christina repeated over and over again that she couldn't believe that she'd waited until 2am to apologise.
Obviously her timing was out but it's clear it was very, very late in the day before she apologised. I think she was ranting and cussing for hours on end. all very unnecessary.”
we didn't see all of that though did we so you're guessing about the 'cussing for hours on end' bit ! -
as Tiffany was being isolated from the group for so long, i'm not surprised it took so long to all calm down , she also spent a long time in the diary room and on her own ,
and the others were protecting Angie at the time too , so Tiffany probably couldn't get near enough to talk it out
Yeah I saw the comment by Kristina on LF last night yes,
but we didn't see the whole thing, and it's all edited , but even Angie said in tonight's show in diary room it was a 'comedy of errors' , and main thing in all of that was that Angie and Tiffany made up and all was forgiven
John was only HM to come out of all that looking like a ****
and he was being very dramatic as he is and very unnecessary imo
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
“No she didn't, that would have made it a rather funny non event for everyone. That's what she should have done.
John told them all 'wrong surname'. Tiff GOT that and John wasn't horrible at all. Don't rewrite what happened to clear Tiff and damn John.
She went nuts, shouting and accusing Angie of lying to her and calling her all sorts and then going to 'face her out' in a really aggressive way. That went on for a LONG time and she freaked the whole house out.
John was spokesperson, but they all said she was nuts and a couple said they were scared. He shouldn't have done that, but no way was it all him, and no way was it anyone's fault but Tiff's.
She couldn't get over herself and made it all about her. Awful.”
It was awful. Someone had just been informed of a death. The misunderstanding is one thing, but once cleared up have a bit of compassion and decency for someone who's just had upsetting news, instead of calling them a liar, calling them names, lunging at them and scaring them.
Originally Posted by Angie_Plasty:
“It was awful. Someone had just been informed of a death. The misunderstanding is one thing, but once cleared up have a bit of compassion and decency for someone who's just had upsetting news, instead of calling them a liar, calling them names, lunging at them and scaring them.”
“It was awful. Someone had just been informed of a death. The misunderstanding is one thing, but once cleared up have a bit of compassion and decency for someone who's just had upsetting news, instead of calling them a liar, calling them names, lunging at them and scaring them.”
I agree TIffany did lose it
i think she'd confused herself though
she's not really 'in the room' most of the time
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“we didn't see all of that though did we so you're guessing about the 'cussing for hours on end' bit ! -
as Tiffany was being isolated from the group for so long, i'm not surprised it took so long to all calm down , she also spent a long time in the diary room and on her own ,
and the others were protecting Angie at the time too , so Tiffany probably couldn't get near enough to talk it out
Yeah I saw the comment by Kristina on LF last night yes,
but we didn't see the whole thing, and it's all edited , but even Angie said in tonight's show in diary room it was a 'comedy of errors' , and main thing in all of that was that Angie and Tiffany made up and all was forgiven
John was only HM to come out of all that looking like a ****
and he was being very dramatic as he is and very unnecessary imo”
“we didn't see all of that though did we so you're guessing about the 'cussing for hours on end' bit ! -
as Tiffany was being isolated from the group for so long, i'm not surprised it took so long to all calm down , she also spent a long time in the diary room and on her own ,
and the others were protecting Angie at the time too , so Tiffany probably couldn't get near enough to talk it out
Yeah I saw the comment by Kristina on LF last night yes,
but we didn't see the whole thing, and it's all edited , but even Angie said in tonight's show in diary room it was a 'comedy of errors' , and main thing in all of that was that Angie and Tiffany made up and all was forgiven
John was only HM to come out of all that looking like a ****
and he was being very dramatic as he is and very unnecessary imo”
Meaning farcical, absurd, ridiculous....in other words not funny at all
Wait. When did Tiffany lunge at Angie? I never saw that. All I saw was Tiffany come into the kitchen area with a cup of tea and try to approach the ones crowded around Angie only for her to be turned away and she left again
Seeing him sabotage his own chances of winning the show was beautiful. He over-thinked the situation in trying to judge what the viewers would want to see but he completely over-stepped the mark with his treatment of Tiffany.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“No she didn't. On LF last night Christina repeated over and over again that she couldn't believe that she'd waited until 2am to apologise.
Obviously her timing was out but it's clear it was very, very late in the day before she apologised. I think she was ranting and cussing for hours on end. all very unnecessary.”
“No she didn't. On LF last night Christina repeated over and over again that she couldn't believe that she'd waited until 2am to apologise.
Obviously her timing was out but it's clear it was very, very late in the day before she apologised. I think she was ranting and cussing for hours on end. all very unnecessary.”
Her timing was ridiculously out. Live feed was from 12 to 1 so at the very latest it must have been just before midnight but anyway we saw Tiffany alone and quiet for quite some time during the day sitting outside. She was ready to apologise much earlier but Danielle told her to leave Angie as she needed to be alone and and we saw John poo poo the idea that Tiffany should talk to everyone during the day. Also Tiffany was fine when she came out of the loo and it was actually John's sneering face and nasty attitude that made her mad again.
There is no evidence to suggest that she was ranting and cussing for hours I'm afraid, far from it.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“what was she out of order about ?
she had a shock , and reacted to what she thought was Angie telling her David Gest was lying in the bedroom, dead.
Johns a stirring arrogant full of self-important manipulative ****
he'd string em all out to dry if he came out last man standing”
“what was she out of order about ?
she had a shock , and reacted to what she thought was Angie telling her David Gest was lying in the bedroom, dead.
Johns a stirring arrogant full of self-important manipulative ****
he'd string em all out to dry if he came out last man standing”
I think Tiffany is a massive drama queen looking for air time, she lied about Angie saying David GUEST for a start, GUEST was never mentioned at all only the name David! Plus even when she knew it was her ex husband that had died she refused to apologise and called Angie a bitch! Very disrespectful and you and others are turning this around on John when he was only being the spokesperson! It was obvious much more was said from Tiffany with how so many people were frightened of her foul temper and what was said. As usual BB producers only show what they want us to see!
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“What? She lunged at Angie and Kristina said she was scared, the others agreed and Gemma CONFIRMED that the group in the bedroom (most of them) wanted her to leave.
It didn't happen quickly at all. And most of the aggression and shoutiness went on AFTER John had told everyone it was a mistake.
Liking to control is one thing, but trying to suggest it was somehow all down to him is laughable.
No one covered themselves in glory, and he shouldn't have been spokesperson, but Tiff's the one at fault here, MASSIVELY. And it was for her horrible behaviour AFTER John told everyone including her that she'd made a mistake.”
“What? She lunged at Angie and Kristina said she was scared, the others agreed and Gemma CONFIRMED that the group in the bedroom (most of them) wanted her to leave.
It didn't happen quickly at all. And most of the aggression and shoutiness went on AFTER John had told everyone it was a mistake.
Liking to control is one thing, but trying to suggest it was somehow all down to him is laughable.
No one covered themselves in glory, and he shouldn't have been spokesperson, but Tiff's the one at fault here, MASSIVELY. And it was for her horrible behaviour AFTER John told everyone including her that she'd made a mistake.”
Here, here! Exactly this
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“How could he say it was David Bowie though when it was not for him to give a name. He said quite clearly that it was not David Gest.”
“How could he say it was David Bowie though when it was not for him to give a name. He said quite clearly that it was not David Gest.”
he could have
as it was obvious Angie had already told Tiffany and things were misunderstood by Tiffany so it was already out there anyway
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I think Tiffany is a massive drama queen looking for air time, she lied about Angie saying David GUEST for a start, GUEST was never mentioned at all only the name David! Plus even when she knew it was her ex husband that had died she refused to apologise and called Angie a bitch! Very disrespectful and you and others are turning this around on John when he was only being the spokesperson! It was obvious much more was said from Tiffany with how so many people were frightened of her foul temper and what was said. As usual BB producers only show what they want us to see!”
“I think Tiffany is a massive drama queen looking for air time, she lied about Angie saying David GUEST for a start, GUEST was never mentioned at all only the name David! Plus even when she knew it was her ex husband that had died she refused to apologise and called Angie a bitch! Very disrespectful and you and others are turning this around on John when he was only being the spokesperson! It was obvious much more was said from Tiffany with how so many people were frightened of her foul temper and what was said. As usual BB producers only show what they want us to see!”
she didn't lie
i think she just said aloud how she'd interpretted what Angie had said, that being , David Gest, which you can understand as he was the only DAVID in the house and who'd gone to the bedroom to sleep as he'd felt ill, it was Tiffany doing 2 + 2 and made 5
I think Tiffany didn't get a chance to catch her breath and the others rallied against her and damage was done
the way BB edited it leaves a lot of things unanswered but it was a huge misunderstanding but John treated her very badly
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