I must admit I was a bit peed off on Angie's behalf when I saw Tiffany backtracking and saying Angie told her 'David Gest' and blaming a recently bereaved woman for her mistake and calling her 'an old witch', and I don't even know the woman. Now John is in there with her and obviously has some kind of relationship with her as he was chosen to look out for her after she got the news. So imagine how disgusted he would have been at Tiffany? I don't blame him for wanting her out in the heat of the moment. Watching BOTS he has calmed down today and they are talking it out.

I don't get why everyone is so quick to jump down John's throat when he was the one acting in the interests of the innocent party (Angie), whilst Tiffany was the one doing her best to drop Angie in it and paint herself as the victim.

she did kind of push forward towards Angie while Angie was being held by other HMs and not wishing to discuss anything with Tiffany

the way it was edited looked like Tiffany was spoiling for a row with Angie but I think Tiffany felt stitched up which was wrong of her but she's a brash American and that's a defensive knee jerk reaction

at least Angie explained it and they made up with eachother later , supported by David Gest

I have said before though,I think John should have butted out he didn't help he made Tiffany feel even more isolated and wound up and Tiffany tried to take it out on Angie later

Although the way it was edited the order of what really happended and timing of it all may have been very different in reality

John was acting as the self appointed head of the house

I for one still support him!

agree

hope someone in there sees John's true colours and he gets nominated soon
perhaps that will be Darren

Exactly. Even before this 'incident' he has always been full of himself. Mr Smug.

This is how I saw it.

The viewer saw the whole thing, but John was in the shower so all he saw was Tiffany going off on a women who he was earlier comforting over a very recent loss. I would be livid to be honest. I am not a John fan he can be a little holier than thou, but I see his point here in the heat of the moment.

Neither John nor Tiffany was appealingntonight. He showed a cold ruthlessness which surprised me because he's so self consciously charming.

And how do you know he was self appointed?

I didn't see anyone in the room disagreeing with him and all the others in the lounge were all pretty disgusted at Tiffany. It looked very much to me as he was speaking on behalf of all of them.

Tiffany said Angie had said David Guest. She actually used those words - whether she'd convinced herself or was simply lying I don't know but she did say it.

he's a strong character , he puts himself up everytime to speak for the group

He didn't speak for Nancy , Darren or David Gest from what I saw , they spoke to Tiffany themselves and were far more reasonable with her

he already had that chat with Darren when in the box at the start of the show on how to play the game or how to stay in the house, words to that effect, he has a game plan and by appointing himself each time to 'sort things out' on every slight thing that happens in there , he has become self-appointed spokesperson for the group hasn't he

It won't last long as I think the others don't always agree with him, I think they just let him and don't say anything so as not to stir the pot ,

he dismissed Christopher in all of that last night

He was extremely rude to Christopher just because he dared to not ostracise Tiffany.

The scene in the bathroom was uncomfortable, three of them against Tiffany. Tiffany had really lost the plot and calling Angie and 'old witch' was like I don't understand why one of them including John didn't just tell her to STFU and tell her that they all realise that she had made a big mistake but the biggest mistake she was making was not realising that DAVID BOWIE - DAVID BOWIE Angie's ex had died. Jesus christ we are talking deceased DAVID BOWIE. I just didn't get it. I am sure some dialog must have been lost in editing as a lot of what went on did not make sense at all, it was utter madness.

Whatever what went on there is no doubt that John is a total drama queen and in my opinion a very intimating man, smug and likes to be in control - I certainly would not like to cross him.

I do think that Big Brother should have intervened, when Angie was in the diary room when Tiffany was having a rant, they should have asked Angie is they could make an official announcement to the house as to the death of Bowie and could everyone have a little respect and be calm towards Angie at this difficult time.

You have to feel sorry for Angie also, for her to wanna stay in the house with this a bunch of nobodies and not leave to be with outside friends and family shows that she is a very lonely sad woman who probably doesn't have much going on for in the outside world?

yes she did
as i explained already
but to say it again............ that's how she interpretted what Angie said and thought it in her head and convinced herself that's what Angie had actually said,

she wasn't deliberately lying I think it just ran away with Tiffany , as imagine the shock as she really thought David Gest had just died in the bedroom next to her, why would she not believe Angie and it was real !

sensible post on this finally

Angie told David Gest and John she wanted it kept quiet
then soon as she came out diary room she told Tiffany, who misunderstood,so it went wrong from there,

shame the whole group weren't told about David Bowie at once to prevent all of that mess

as for last paragraph I think Angie is more escaping paparazzi and media by staying in than anything else.

Oh take your tinted goggles off and smell the pile of sh*t. Tiffany was mad because Angie needs to learn to speak properly she thought she meant David Gest, someone she got on well with and often went to for advice in the house had died of something as horrible as cancer, of course she will be mental she has every right and to expect her to keep quiet in a tight space such as the BB house is quite moronic don't you think?

John had then rallyed up the house and try to lead a full scale attempt to get rid of Tiffany, practically alienating her for a mistake that Angie caused. Making someone feel left out and ganging up on them through nominations last time I checked is called bullying, in a house where all should feel welcome especially if your spending weeks in there.

John seems to put himself in the middle of every row and act like he dosen't give a sh*t only to sit on the sofa and think hes above them and judge them.

John needs to go imo, have a taste of his own medicine.

Also perhaps Big Brother could've intervened instead of being non-existent, but its a bit idiotic thinking a reality tv show wouldn't use this to their advantage at the same time.

What did you expect the forum to do? Continue ball licking him for strutting around the house in a manner which suggests he's "The Boss" and that it's "HIS show". The man is an arrogant fool. Notice how he quickly tried to rally the house against Tiffany..but as he realised a few of his herd weren't prepared to isolate that particular individual, or group together and just about DEMAND! she be given the boot, he quickly about-turned and will be seen in tomorrow's show having a chat with her..pretending he's serious about building bridges...

Omg THANK YOU, what a smug little pratt.

How can you blame Angie for that? I don't think any reasonable person would think 'I need to clarify that David Bowie, not David Gest has died' before telling her. How could she possibly think Tiffany would be so stupid to think that David Gest would enter (or be allowed to enter) the house whilst terminally ill with cancer, and close to death no less! And not only that, Angie is the only one who knows he's died and is trying to keep it secret from everyone else, all the while David's body lies in the bedroom.

There's no way Angie would have anticipated that. The fault lies with Tiffany for getting the wrong end of the stick. I don't think anyone was particularly angry at her for misunderstanding. It was her reaction after she found out it was a mistake that got people's backs up.

Yes I do fully appreciate that she was shocked but how about cutting Angie some slack as she must have been pretty shocked too at the news she'd just been given.

All we can do is judge them on their behaviour after the misunderstanding was sorted. I can't really get my head around the ridiculous/petulant/OTT behaviour of Tiffany TBH. It takes a very self obsessed person to carry on making it all about them.

What? Tiffany didn't assume that she said she thought you were supposed to have no contact with the outside world as stated in the conract she said it herself and so she thought she only met the one David in the house and that's David Gest.

The fault still lies with Angie is it that hard to say David BOWIE.

And she was mad afterwards because she was traumitised thinking that she meant David Gest. Tiffany knew nothing next time she should be more clear or say her ex. She said it at the end herself that she should've said her ex.

I agree. Anyone can make a mistake. Her behaviour afterwards was so self centred it was incredible, especially when you consider someone had actually died. Tiffany was more concerned about herself which speaks volumes.

She did assume that. What other explanation could there be for David Gest dying from cancer whilst in the BB house? Either that or she thought he contracted a particularly aggressive form of cancer which killed him inside 24hrs which is even more ridiculous. Anyone with any sense would have clocked that this is Angie Bowie, who was married to David Bowie, and so realised that the no contact from the outside world rule would have been understandably relaxed on this occasion.

I think your guilty of seeing this through goggles as you seem to be cutting Tiffany an awful lot of slack, whilst not giving Angie an inch.

I love John but I think he over-reacted & because he is the alpha male, the rest of the house followed suit.

So glad that things have calmed down now as it was a simple mistake by Tiffany. For all anyone knew, a HM may have had cancer before entering the house & suddenly died? It's quite possible. Tiffany thought she heard something she didn't & Angie, who appears to be missing a few marbles, didn't explain very well. No need for Tiffany to leave & certainly no reason for other HMs to be scared of her? Unless they were scared her lack of tea making was life threatening?

obviously Angie was still shocked fgs
I never said anything about not appreciating how Angie felt,
I was talking about Tiffany's reaction

I more than appreciate that Angie was in a vulnerable upset state herself, so wasn't going to be in any state of mind to feel she had to explain fully which David had died, why would she ? but you should also appreciate that Tiffany naturally thought she had meant David GEST , especially as Angie said David's dead and he 'JUST' died

Tiffany's not that bright, and probably didn't even mentally register that it was David Bowie that had died in her head, if she even knew who he was

all Tiffany was concerned with was that it wasn't David Gest and she thought Angie had lied to her ,

but John has no excuse for being an arrogant **** to Tiffany "everyone wants you to leave" , what an up himself schmuck