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anyone else cold enough to roll their eyes at "the stardust is gone"?
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Kromm
13-01-2016
Or was it just me?

Feh.

It's a shame the man died, but that phrase was so cheesy and manipulatively emo.
onfencewithrach
13-01-2016
Everything about Angie is cheesy and cringeworthy. She reminds me of Michelle Visage with her self entitlement especially when taking the whole Winston situation so personally in regards to how long she's fought for gay rights "i didn't fight 30 years..." and then calling Jonathan an obnoxious American while being obnoxious herself and the whole "i want to save a female" line and the way she's handled various situations it's all one giant collage of facepalming.
shelleyj89
13-01-2016
I'll admit I did. It just came across as attention seeking. I don't think David and John got the relevance of it.
pope_tart
13-01-2016
I'm not sure.

From anyone else it would be cheesy, but that's probably how she remembers him. Her happiest times with him must have been in his Ziggy Stardust phase...perhaps that's just her nickname for him
HughOS
13-01-2016
Normally I'm ice cold to that kind of stuff but like the poster above me said, that's probably how she remembers him most. It's sad, he is a one in a generation talent
aggielane
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“I'm not sure.

From anyone else it would be cheesy, but that's probably how she remembers him. Her happiest times with him must have been in his Ziggy Stardust phase...perhaps that's just her nickname for him”

Thats exactly how I saw it
Heyyouoverthere
13-01-2016
I don't think it was meant to come across in that way at all. I think we are very cynical today when watching reality shows and tend to label everyone who makes a statement regardless of the generation they are from in the same way we label the young savvy ready to cream something from the slightest situation.
Kromm
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by pope_tart:
“I'm not sure.

From anyone else it would be cheesy, but that's probably how she remembers him. Her happiest times with him must have been in his Ziggy Stardust phase...perhaps that's just her nickname for him”

Those were the days they had threeways with Mick, as I recall. "Angie" got written, she herself joked a few years ago, when David was giving Mick a blowjob.

Oh, this is interesting. A video about David's appearances on US talk show host Conan O'Brian's show. It's worth watching because admittedly Bowie is pretty funny in these.

https://youtu.be/P4d8QrRJvsE
amelia_lee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“I'll admit I did. It just came across as attention seeking. I don't think David and John got the relevance of it.”

Everything she does is self serving and attention seeking. She literally doesn't care at all that he died, just how she can benefit from it.

However I do think both of them particularly would get that reference.
Kromm
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Everything she does is self serving and attention seeking. She literally doesn't care at all that he died, just how she can benefit from it.

However I do think both of them particularly would get that reference.”

The name of his most famous album, one of his biggest songs, a tour, and a movie?

I'd hope they would.
amelia_lee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“Those were the days they had threeways with Mick, as I recall. "Angie" got written, she herself joked a few years ago, when David was giving Mick a blowjob.

Oh, this is interesting. A video about David's appearances on US talk show host Conan O'Brian's show. It's worth watching because admittedly Bowie is pretty funny in these.

https://youtu.be/P4d8QrRJvsE”

She was one of the ones who purported the rumours it was about her.

However Keith Richards wrote most of the lyrics and he wrote it about heroin and coming off of it.
calamity
13-01-2016
I had mixed emotions over Angie last night..... First I felt she was a lonely woman who had lost her son....and who clung to the past...and the memories when she was with him.... Of course I could be wrong but then after she hung on to David and John asking if it was Ok not to tell the others but was bursting to tell the first person in the kitchen she met.... She seemed a bit let down that hardly anyone was there..... and who appears... poor dopey Tyf the fall guy for Angies news.....I felt so bad for Tyfanny as you could see it was all a big mixup... a real comedy farce actually.... you would think it was scripted..... then after the commontion the pampering of Angie, did no one ask why she never left after talking to her agent.... and hearing the news.... dont think so...... I dont blame Angie for staying but please please dont ham it up for votes or sympathy... its not working....
amelia_lee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“The name of his most famous album, one of his biggest songs, a tour, and a movie?

I'd hope they would.”

Yes, I wasn't even born then and I know all about it, if there was two people in the house who 'got it' it would be those two, no doubt.
mz fit
13-01-2016
Taking into consideration the things she's said about him over the years it's come across as false. She's making a meal out of it and I rolled my eyes and also threw out a 'what the H...'
The Finisher
13-01-2016
Cheesy or not, that comment pretty well summed it up imo.
An Thropologist
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by mz fit:
“Taking into consideration the things she's said about him over the years it's come across as false. She's making a meal out of it and I rolled my eyes and also threw out a 'what the H...'”

He wasn't exactly complimentary about her either. I think they married too young and while they initially had creative goals in common they were a bad match personlity wise.

But I didn't find the stardust comment cynical. Hundreds of people made similar tributes on Monday.
Jules_Thornley
13-01-2016
Poor Angie can't do right for wrong. I don't care what happened between them both (David B and her). Despite any issues she probably still remembers how she did care for him and this was a term of endearment harking back to once when their feelings weren't bitter or affected by their problems.

Christ the father of her son died, the man she did marry. She is allowed to react whatever way and feel compassion, sadness whatever..
aggielane
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“He wasn't exactly complimentary about her either. I think they married too young and while they initially had creative goals in common they were a bad match personlity wise.

But I didn't find the stardust comment cynical. Hundreds of people made similar tributes on Monday.”

I think people forget how young they were. We have total strangers grieving for him like they knew him, i think she is entitled to remember the man she married or even just the icon he became.
shelleyj89
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“However I do think both of them particularly would get that reference.”

Originally Posted by Kromm:
“The name of his most famous album, one of his biggest songs, a tour, and a movie?

I'd hope they would.”

Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Yes, I wasn't even born then and I know all about it, if there was two people in the house who 'got it' it would be those two, no doubt.”

I meant more from their reactions when she said it, it didn't seem to register with them.
Nesta Robbins
13-01-2016
She'd already expressed her own thoughts on losing David. Then saying "the stardust has gone" was simply how she felt the world/fans would feel.
Penny Crayon
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“I think people forget how young they were. We have total strangers grieving for him like they knew him, i think she is entitled to remember the man she married or even just the icon he became.”

Absolutely.

They were mad/crazy times but - those years made or defined who they were. I think 'the stardust has gone' was a very fitting and quite heart rending thing to say. I sort of felt something similar.

It wasn't cheesy - it was genuine IMO.
An Thropologist
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“I think people forget how young they were. We have total strangers grieving for him like they knew him, i think she is entitled to remember the man she married or even just the icon he became.”

The death of someone in your circle (past or present) can be a profound thing for anyone. How much you liked them or not is immaterial. In fact often the people who struggle most with the passing of someone they knew are those who were most at odds with them.

When someone you used to know dies it tends to propel you back to the time you knew them. This may provoke guilt, nostalgic feelings, re-open old wounds. It confronts us with the passage of time, of aging and of our own appraoching death. The death of someone who used to be significant may remind you of what might have been. It can close the door to secret dreams. Something that yesterday was a possiblity is suddenly never going to be possible. You will never again be able to say I am sorry.

Death stirs up a soup of emotion in most people. Angie included I am sure.
ForGodsSake
13-01-2016
Well I must be cringeworthy and cheesy as must my sister as we both said the same thing when we heard of his death.

Maybe you have to be a person of a "certain age" to feel an affinity with Angie and her loss over her ex husband.

I dunno.
japara
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“The death of someone in your circle (past or present) can be a profound thing for anyone. How much you liked them or not is immaterial. In fact often the people who struggle most with the passing of someone they knew are those who were most at odds with them.

When someone you used to know dies it tends to propel you back to the time you knew them. This may provoke guilt, nostalgic feelings, re-open old wounds. It confronts us with the passage of time, of aging and of our own appraoching death. The death of someone who used to be significant may remind you of what might have been. It can close the door to secret dreams. Something that yesterday was a possiblity is suddenly never going to be possible. You will never again be able say I am sorry.

Death stirs up a soup of emotion in most people. Angie included I am sure.”

I agree with you it has happened to me recently when I heard that someone I haven't seen for over 30 years had died, it was just a deep sadness that someone who was once very important to me had their life ciut short too soon.
ForGodsSake
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Poor Angie can't do right for wrong. I don't care what happened between them both (David B and her). Despite any issues she probably still remembers how she did care for him and this was a term of endearment harking back to once when their feelings weren't bitter or affected by their problems.

Christ the father of her son died, the man she did marry. She is allowed to react whatever way and feel compassion, sadness whatever..”

Amen to that.
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