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Were we all taken for fools last night??
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2shy2007
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“So the producers first thought when hearing about Bowie's death was "I know, let's get his ex-wife to play some jolly prank once we've got the nasty business of breaking the news of his death to her out of the way. She's bound to be in the mood for a secret task".”

I'm not saying it was a secret task , no way, but C5 cannot be trusted with BB , we know that people come and go out of the house, that C5 staff have been seen in the house , this is not BB as we knew it, it is a bastardised version and anything is possible. everything fell in to place rather too well.
BabelBrook
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by calamity:
“doubt it..”

Time will tell.
Deb Arkle
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“She was revelling in it, to start with when told, she had no real reaction at all, a former lover from 40 years ago, you may think, 'oh thats sad' and move on. if my ex from years ago died, I would hardly bat an eyelid. we all know she had an almost hatred of him, she was very bitter.”

You're not bitter about someone you feel nothing for. I'm pretty sure you're right about her milking it, but I do think she was also genuinely upset.
Kopite1763
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“The first thing you would say is' what ?? OUR David???? no way would you just take it as gospel especially after Angie said it was cancer, cancer cannot kill with no warning like that. the whole thing makes no sense at all , either Angie and Tiff are the thickest humans on the earth, or something had been suggested to them. I think that Angie, Tiff and David were in on it, at least.
These days on reality tv, you cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is scripted or suggested to them as a 'storyline'”

Do you seriously think that
too_much_coffee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“Do you seriously think that ”

I can only assume that half the posters on here are only about 15 years old judging from the way that they think that anyone responds to bereavement.

I have spent the last fifteen years saying unpleasant things about my ex (who was a cheating, thieving, violent alcoholic) but would still be sad and shocked to hear of his death.
Flora_McDonald
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“The first thing you would say is' what ?? OUR David???? no way would you just take it as gospel especially after Angie said it was cancer, cancer cannot kill with no warning like that. the whole thing makes no sense at all , either Angie and Tiff are the thickest humans on the earth, or something had been suggested to them. I think that Angie, Tiff and David were in on it, at least.
These days on reality tv, you cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is scripted or suggested to them as a 'storyline'”

She did say the equivalent of "our David????".. She said "David David????" To which Angie replied "Yes!" because he is "David David" to her. Tiffany saw that Angie's emotions were real, so believed her.

Cancer drugs cause blood clots, so cancer sufferers can die instantly because of the drugs. In any case, how would someone who is not a doctor know what all types of cancer look like? David is really pale, and doesn't look well. Someone I knew died of undiagnosed leukemia just days after I had seen her looking fit and healthy, although very pale, like David.
viva.espana
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“As I said on the other thread pushing the conspiracy theory approach: Just try to apply some critical thinking to the situation.

Ask the hows, asks the whys, see if it still holds water.

The suggestion, when broken down, is that this occured:

David Bowie died. Around two hours later his ex wife is called into the diary and informed of his passing... David and John are asked to come and sit with her... Then Big Brother tells them they've decided to play a joke on Tiffany... They want Bowies ex wife and mother of his child to tell her that David has died but not mention the surname so that Tiffany thinks its David Guest. Meanwhile they would like David Guest to lie on the bed with a sheet over his face and they would like John to go and have a shower whilst all this happens....
and all three of them agree to do exactly that.

Come on!!!”

Well quite. Apart from the absurd idea that Angie, David and John would go along with something so distasteful, how precisely in this uncritical thinking ridiculous scenario were they guaranteed Tiffany's reaction? Shall we just decide that Tiffany was also in on the action and part of this 'performance?

It is what it is. The mistaken id explains everything that followed.
benjamini
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“But it Didnt. It made the mix up look like comedy. There was no comedy surrounding Bowies death. Bowie had a sense of humour and would have laughed at the mix up. Even Bowie fans who don't like Big Brother have watched the clip online and said it was hilarious.

You make it sound like they are laughing over David Bowies death. The thing that made it funny is how far misunderstandings can go and what made it interesting is that you can't script real emotion.”

Coincidentally Jonathan is out there >>>>> speaking to the press and saying it did a disservice to the death of Bowie and that's why he left. Not that I'm a fan of his , he was always going to walk IMO.
Kopite1763
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“I can only assume that half the posters on here are only about 15 years old judging from the way that they think that anyone responds to bereavement.

I have spent the last fifteen years saying unpleasant things about my ex (who was a cheating, thieving, violent alcoholic) but would still be sad and shocked to hear of his death.”

I'm just surprised that folk are thinking it was a set up or some type of task

I would think the shock of hearing of the death of someone who you didn't even know was ill, would affect you even if you dislike this person.

............hugs to you..........or a biscuit if you're not the huggy type of person....
reader123
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“The turning on just made no sense, the way that Kristina as acting, you would think that she had physically attacked one of them.”

So many people have said that to me. There were a number of them who were a bit worried about the way Tiffany was acting, so I do think they have left a massive chunk out.
An Thropologist
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“Coincidentally Jonathan is out there >>>>> speaking to the press and saying it did a disservice to the death of Bowie and that's why he left. Not that I'm a fan of his , he was always going to walk IMO.”

Now Jonathan (doing my comedy) Cheban - at last that was funny. LMAO.
Bless You
13-01-2016
LOL at this thread.

One word...EDITING.
too_much_coffee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“I'm just surprised that folk are thinking it was a set up or some type of task

I would think the shock of hearing of the death of someone who you didn't even know was ill, would affect you even if you dislike this person.

............hugs to you..........or a biscuit if you're not the huggy type of person....”

Can I have a hug and a biscuit please? I like both
Kopite1763
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“Can I have a hug and a biscuit please? I like both ”

((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))

@@ <------- Biscuits.....................even throws in a Rich Tea........to dunk......if you are a dunker
too_much_coffee
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Kopite1763:
“((((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))))))))

@@ <------- Biscuits.....................even throws in a Rich Tea........to dunk......if you are a dunker ”

Perfect... I'd just made a pot of tea so ready to dunk.

Cup of tea on it's way across to you in return
Bacon&Eggs
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“She did say the equivalent of "our David????".. She said "David David????" To which Angie replied "Yes!" because he is "David David" to her. Tiffany saw that Angie's emotions were real, so believed her.

Cancer drugs cause blood clots, so cancer sufferers can die instantly because of the drugs. In any case, how would someone who is not a doctor know what all types of cancer look like? David is really pale, and doesn't look well. Someone I knew died of undiagnosed leukemia just days after I had seen her looking fit and healthy, although very pale, like David.”

This is why Tiff felt she'd been stitched up by Angie. Angie should have understood to say no not David David... David Bowie, but she didn't say it, either because she wasn't thinking straight (understandable) or because she was indeed trying to stitch Tiff up.

Bottom line is Tiff didn't lie when she said Angie told her David Gest had died. imo
ChoccyPeanuts
13-01-2016
It's not scripted, it's just that it's a house full of complete clowns who don't act in a realistic manner.
calamity
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“She was revelling in it, to start with when told, she had no real reaction at all, a former lover from 40 years ago, you may think, 'oh thats sad' and move on. if my ex from years ago died, I would hardly bat an eyelid. we all know she had an almost hatred of him, she was very bitter.”

If anyone took my only son from me Id curse him forever far less grieve over him.. Angie hammed it up quite well until it all went downhill.
tmj
13-01-2016
It's going to sound mean, but anybody who thinks Big Brother somehow planned this (and that Angie, John, David and perhaps Tiffany were in on it) is just not very smart.
BeeBumble
13-01-2016
It does seem a bit too coincidental but firstly as much as Angie may have hated David (Bowie) I don't think she would have agreed to make a mockery of his death. She might be estranged from her son but she's still his mother and is probably sensitive to not wanting to cause him anymore pain whilst he's grieving.

They'd had to have too many people comply to trust this never got out and if it got out the producers would be in serious shit like more serious than Shilpa Shetty race row. The show would likely to be cancelled altogether if not there'd certainly be many job losses. Also the whistlelbower would probably set to make a lot of money for selling the story so I think it'd be too risky even for the idiots who are currently running the show.

Also I don't think any of them are very good actors.

I am actually wondering if they were considering not airing it or keeping it underwraps like the Jay poo in the fridge incident. Because there was no videos, tweets or mention on BOTS about it until the telly mix summary before the show aired.
Skyrah
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Bacon&Eggs:
“This is why Tiff felt she'd been stitched up by Angie. Angie should have understood to say no not David David... David Bowie, but she didn't say it, either because she wasn't thinking straight (understandable) or because she was indeed trying to stitch Tiff up.

Bottom line is Tiff didn't lie when she said Angie told her David Gest had died. imo”

Angie did not say David Gest, she just said David

Tiff said Angie had said David Gest died of cancer.

So Tiff Lied
ChoccyPeanuts
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Angie did not say David Gest, she just said David

Tiff said Angie had said David Gest died of cancer.

So Tiff Lied ”

I doubt that she lied, just thought that's what she heard. The memory is a funny thing like that.
wazzyboy
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by ChoccyPeanuts:
“I doubt that she lied, just thought that's what she heard. The memory is a funny thing like that.”

I thought she said "DAVID David?" when Angie first told her and in her later recall she appeared to have meant by that David G and said so.
Bacon&Eggs
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Angie did not say David Gest, she just said David

Tiff said Angie had said David Gest died of cancer.

So Tiff Lied ”

Tiff asked for clarification of who had died "David David?" i.e our David i.e David Gest. Angie said yes.

If my memory of that is correct then from that point forward Tiff believed Angie had told her David Gest had died. If it was her belief then she couldn't have lied.
jez37
13-01-2016
*tin foil hat* thread....swiftly moving on.......
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