Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I agree 100%. Well put!”
“I agree 100%. Well put!”
and why she slags him off so much.
Angie deserved an oscar in the diary room.
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This thread is horrid, who are you to tell anyone how they should behave after someone they were married to/had children with dies.
I didn't see it as acting, she was the first to say she hadn't seen him in many years and wasn't trying to make out she was still close to him. Emotions don't just switch off because things ended badly with someone. She spent an important time of her life with the guy and had a child with him.
Originally Posted by calamity:
“and why she slags him off so much.”
“and why she slags him off so much.”
there's a lot of pain there
perhaps it's to do with she felt Bowie had stopped her seeing her son, and turned him against her over the years from a young age
it's all so complicated,there was no love lost between those two
they avoided eachother, it wasn't one sided,
it happens doesn't it
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“popping in to say to this..............................
(cr*p Penny's on form tonight)
”
“popping in to say to this..............................
(cr*p Penny's on form tonight)
”
And I'm just popping in to say - 'flattery don't wash no bo**ocks with me'
I just love that line - it's so much better than the one about buttering parsnips
Originally Posted by calamity:
“and why she slags him off so much.”
“and why she slags him off so much.”
My mother has been married to my father for 60 years, and has spent every single day of it slagging him off to his face, or behind his back to anyone who would listen. She behaved like a bitter, unforgiving person all her life and gave the impression that she'd have left him if she'd had more courage. Now he has Alzheimer's and she has refused to put him into residential care, and is devoting her life to looking after him, in spite of having a life-threatening heart condition which makes her extremely exhausted.
People and their relationships are extremely complex.
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“I see someone who is always putting on an act, someone who is self serving and someone who craves attention for herself.
I see her later in the house pretending to cry, make a lot of noise, yet no emotion or tears surface.
It's not what I want to see, as someone says above, I study behaviour/psyc, I am very good at objectifying other's behaviour and not projecting my own onto them, which is actually what most people do.
I can tell when people are lying or putting on an act or are not genuine.
I see what is there to see. It's all there in Angies behaviour.”
“I see someone who is always putting on an act, someone who is self serving and someone who craves attention for herself.
I see her later in the house pretending to cry, make a lot of noise, yet no emotion or tears surface.
It's not what I want to see, as someone says above, I study behaviour/psyc, I am very good at objectifying other's behaviour and not projecting my own onto them, which is actually what most people do.
I can tell when people are lying or putting on an act or are not genuine.
I see what is there to see. It's all there in Angies behaviour.”
Oh give over, you sound ridiculous.
Next time youre studying try googling "self awareness".
You are judging everyone who disagrees with your opinion as unable to be as observant or objective as you.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“there's a lot of pain there
perhaps it's to do with she felt Bowie had stopped her seeing her son, and turned him against her over the years from a young age
it's all so complicated,there was no love lost between those two
they avoided eachother, it wasn't one sided,
it happens doesn't it”
“there's a lot of pain there
perhaps it's to do with she felt Bowie had stopped her seeing her son, and turned him against her over the years from a young age
it's all so complicated,there was no love lost between those two
they avoided eachother, it wasn't one sided,
it happens doesn't it”
it does - and the years roll by and time passes and before you know it - it's too late to make amends. It's incredibly sad for all concerned.
Life really is too short but ..................as you say - it happens.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“there's a lot of pain there
perhaps it's to do with she felt Bowie had stopped her seeing her son, and turned him against her over the years from a young age
it's all so complicated,there was no love lost between those two
they avoided eachother, it wasn't one sided,
it happens doesn't it”
“there's a lot of pain there
perhaps it's to do with she felt Bowie had stopped her seeing her son, and turned him against her over the years from a young age
it's all so complicated,there was no love lost between those two
they avoided eachother, it wasn't one sided,
it happens doesn't it”
very true and we ll probably never know the full story.... I dont like Angie, but if her son was forced away from her then I feel for her....
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“My mother has been married to my father for 60 years, and has spent every single day of it slagging him off. She has been a bitter, unforgiving person all her life and she'd have left him if she'd had more courage. Now he has Alzheimer's and she has refused to put him into residential care, and is devoting her life to looking after him, in spite of having a life-threatening heart condition which makes her extremely exhausted.
People and their relationships are extremely complex.”
“My mother has been married to my father for 60 years, and has spent every single day of it slagging him off. She has been a bitter, unforgiving person all her life and she'd have left him if she'd had more courage. Now he has Alzheimer's and she has refused to put him into residential care, and is devoting her life to looking after him, in spite of having a life-threatening heart condition which makes her extremely exhausted.
People and their relationships are extremely complex.”
Yes, I can easily believe this.
When you spend life married, there is a shared experience and knowledge of each other that creates complex bonds.
People react differently. And are most unpredictable.
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“My mother has been married to my father for 60 years, and has spent every single day of it slagging him off. She behaved like a bitter, unforgiving person all her life and she'd have left him if she'd had more courage. Now he has Alzheimer's and she has refused to put him into residential care, and is devoting her life to looking after him, in spite of having a life-threatening heart condition which makes her extremely exhausted.
People and their relationships are extremely complex.”
“My mother has been married to my father for 60 years, and has spent every single day of it slagging him off. She behaved like a bitter, unforgiving person all her life and she'd have left him if she'd had more courage. Now he has Alzheimer's and she has refused to put him into residential care, and is devoting her life to looking after him, in spite of having a life-threatening heart condition which makes her extremely exhausted.
People and their relationships are extremely complex.”
Flipping Nora Flora
Sorry about your father
and your Mother's amazing
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Yes people are muti layered, but not all.
With certain personality types there is no other layer and it is all about what serves them best. Sociopaths do not have genuine feelings like the rest of us, this is where people can be misguided in thinking we all have human emotions.
Narcissists process things differently too, so not in the same way people here are describing her feelings.
We may all have different opinions on this, but this is what I see and believe. When she said that in the diary room, it was an act. The whole day was an act.”
“Yes people are muti layered, but not all.
With certain personality types there is no other layer and it is all about what serves them best. Sociopaths do not have genuine feelings like the rest of us, this is where people can be misguided in thinking we all have human emotions.
Narcissists process things differently too, so not in the same way people here are describing her feelings.
We may all have different opinions on this, but this is what I see and believe. When she said that in the diary room, it was an act. The whole day was an act.”
are you flunking your course?
If you were any form of student of behaviour you'd know that analysing a person from a few edited minutes of TV is not possible or wise.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“it does - and the years roll by and time passes and before you know it - it's too late to make amends. It's incredibly sad for all concerned.
Life really is too short but ..................as you say - it happens.”
“it does - and the years roll by and time passes and before you know it - it's too late to make amends. It's incredibly sad for all concerned.
Life really is too short but ..................as you say - it happens.”
so in true BBBOTS guest Psychologist/babble style
I will throw down the Asparagus (was going to have for dinner,but don't mind giving a miss) onto the tiled floor
and see what cards I'll be dealt with next
or i'll just see if the plants tell me who's going to be evicted on BB , Friday
Depends on the editing on tonight's show tho
Originally Posted by calamity:
“very true and we ll probably never know the full story.... I dont like Angie, but if her son was forced away from her then I feel for her....”
“very true and we ll probably never know the full story.... I dont like Angie, but if her son was forced away from her then I feel for her....”
That's better, a good move away from the stance you had a few hours ago,
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“Flipping Nora Flora
Sorry about your father
and your Mother's amazing”
“Flipping Nora Flora
Sorry about your father
and your Mother's amazing”
Thanks, Jack. It's very sad, but it has brought out the best in my mum.
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I've read that she had a problem with drugs at the time. In light of that, and the fact that you seem to have gleaned your information from the pages of the gutter press, your post makes you sound ridiculous.
I cannot stand it when people who *may* have picked up a pop psychology degree in some 3rd rate university pretend to be authorities on things they know absolutely nothing about. We see some of them on the BB panel - every week they wheel out a different "expert" with an opposite view from the last.”
“I've read that she had a problem with drugs at the time. In light of that, and the fact that you seem to have gleaned your information from the pages of the gutter press, your post makes you sound ridiculous.
I cannot stand it when people who *may* have picked up a pop psychology degree in some 3rd rate university pretend to be authorities on things they know absolutely nothing about. We see some of them on the BB panel - every week they wheel out a different "expert" with an opposite view from the last.”
Funny you are presuming things about me though, just from posts here, yet I cannot on Angie through various mediums.
I have read things before she had drug problems too. It shows an example of a personality type more then anything else.
The dignified thing for Angie to have done would have been to leave the house . You need to be with your family and friends when such an occurrence happens . You don't need to be sharing any grief with a whole load of strangers and tv cameras .
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“we're all watching her ,
we don't need to read what she does or did outside the house
you can't keep up an act and persona in BB HOUSE, you should know that, EVERY HM who goes in there will tell you that's impossible,
so everyone's judging her on what we see
Think you need to do some reading about her past - she was on drugs, he won custody of their son, that's it. - she was a mess , he was too , Anything else has been written on the threads about them , so it's all there to read.
None of that means she never had feelings for her son does it.
She has a daughter too (I think) , so she has been able to be a mother luckily for her”
“we're all watching her ,
we don't need to read what she does or did outside the house
you can't keep up an act and persona in BB HOUSE, you should know that, EVERY HM who goes in there will tell you that's impossible,
so everyone's judging her on what we see
Think you need to do some reading about her past - she was on drugs, he won custody of their son, that's it. - she was a mess , he was too , Anything else has been written on the threads about them , so it's all there to read.
None of that means she never had feelings for her son does it.
She has a daughter too (I think) , so she has been able to be a mother luckily for her”
Actually, people with personality disorders keep up an act their entire lives, a few weeks is nothing, their entire being is an act.
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“Thanks, Jack. It's very sad, but it has brought out the best in my mum.”
“Thanks, Jack. It's very sad, but it has brought out the best in my mum.”
puts things into perspective doesn't it
With Angie though, I think a few weeks , turned to months,then years, then decades and lifes so short, she couldn't make amends with her son, after all that time, they don't know eachother
so can't see it happening now, unless he offers an olive branch
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Actually, people with personality disorders keep up an act their entire lives, a few weeks is nothing, their entire being is an act.”
“Actually, people with personality disorders keep up an act their entire lives, a few weeks is nothing, their entire being is an act.”
ok
but she wouldn't be in the BB house if that were the case
she's just eccentric, an artist, a creative individual , who's very animated and vocal about her feelings
i think she's very readable, but there you go
age and experience is key !
Originally Posted by Paace:
“The dignified thing for Angie to have done would have been to leave the house . You need to be with your family and friends when such an occurrence happens . You don't need to be sharing any grief with a whole load of strangers and tv cameras .”
“The dignified thing for Angie to have done would have been to leave the house . You need to be with your family and friends when such an occurrence happens . You don't need to be sharing any grief with a whole load of strangers and tv cameras .”
why ?
she said she didn't want to make a drama out of it, she hadn't seen him for YEARS
and she had long chat with her Agent who broke the news to her , it wasn't on camera until long after she'd been told, can't blame her for still being bit emotional on being back in the house though.
glad she stayed
thought of being left with that younger lot who can't string a sentence together would end the show for me.
Only Gest and Angie and perhaps Darren for me are saving this show right now
Originally Posted by calamity:
“Id rather give the ex Mrs a makeover.. what is she all about...but yes she couldnt wait to tell and was so disappointed the kitchen was empty until she spied Tyfanny.”
“Id rather give the ex Mrs a makeover.. what is she all about...but yes she couldnt wait to tell and was so disappointed the kitchen was empty until she spied Tyfanny.”
Personally I think she was in shock
Originally Posted by MadBetty:
“Sorry but we have every right to judge when this unhinged woman has spent 40 years selling spiteful articles to whoever will print them about this man she now appears to cry over. Only the truly gullible would buy all that emoting.
Just came across this by Piers Morgan and he hits the nail bang on regarding this sick stunt they pulled last night.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3x8BlUbXj”
“Sorry but we have every right to judge when this unhinged woman has spent 40 years selling spiteful articles to whoever will print them about this man she now appears to cry over. Only the truly gullible would buy all that emoting.
Just came across this by Piers Morgan and he hits the nail bang on regarding this sick stunt they pulled last night.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3x8BlUbXj”
Am I the only one who thinks his interpretation of what happened is really funny?
Still chuckling from last night...sorry to all who think differently and I always thought I was cultured...oops...
Originally Posted by Lily Darling:
“You could be closer to the truth than some folk here realise. I read that she was known for throwing carefully stage-managed tantrums to bend people to her will, confuse a perceived enemy and seduce anyone who takes her fancy. I don't think that last bit about seduction applies at the moment in the BB house.”
“You could be closer to the truth than some folk here realise. I read that she was known for throwing carefully stage-managed tantrums to bend people to her will, confuse a perceived enemy and seduce anyone who takes her fancy. I don't think that last bit about seduction applies at the moment in the BB house.”
Thank you, this is what I am talking about too.
People may not realise, can be fooled by things, not understand.
A lot of people have written (not in the gutter press as some say) about her performances when things were not going her own way, Sometimes smiling at the other person during her crying performance to someone else.
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“why ?
she said she didn't want to make a drama out of it, she hadn't seen him for YEARS
glad she stayed
thought of being left with that younger lot who can't string a sentence together would end the show for me.
Only Gest and Angie and perhaps Darren for me are saving this show right now”
“why ?
she said she didn't want to make a drama out of it, she hadn't seen him for YEARS
glad she stayed
thought of being left with that younger lot who can't string a sentence together would end the show for me.
Only Gest and Angie and perhaps Darren for me are saving this show right now”
And look what happened by her staying- probably the biggest drama ever seen in the BB house and one that will be talked about for ever .
I'm thinking about what would be best for Angie . Seems you're more interested in her staying for entertainment .
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