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Results:Who is Shirley's true love?
Buster
26 (30.95%)
Phil
33 (39.29%)
Kevin
4 (4.76%)
Vinnie
1 (1.19%)
Herself
20 (23.81%)
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Who is the love of Shirley's life? EastEnders
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Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
Nice statement!
Originally Posted by Whiskyrum:
“Herself”
“Herself”
I agree though I think Buster offers her stability and is right for her in a way that Phil isn't.
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.”
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
there are no words
I think a part of Shirley will always love Phil and a part of Phil will always love Shirley but they work better with their current partners. Phil and Shirley will always be drawn together because of their similarities, but it is also those similarities that make them toxic. I think Phil does love Sharon and Shirley does love Buster too though. Sometimes you can love more than one person just in different ways. Shirley and Buster make a good couple, we just need to see more of them. Sharon and Phil need work but Dom has made it clear that they are endgame, I don't think he would split them up? If they split Sharon and Phil up completely then Sharon would be a lone character again and I don't think she works in that capacity. The current set up is fine, imo.
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“I think a part of Shirley will always love Phil and a part of Phil will always love Shirley but they work better with their current partners. Phil and Shirley will always be drawn together because of their similarities, but it is also those similarities that make them toxic. I think Phil does love Sharon and Shirley does love Buster too though. Sometimes you can love more than one person just in different ways. Shirley and Buster make a good couple, we just need to see more of them. Sharon and Phil need work but Dom has made it clear that they are endgame, I don't think he would split them up? If they split Sharon and Phil up completely then Sharon would be a lone character again and I don't think she works in that capacity. The current set up is fine, imo.”
“I think a part of Shirley will always love Phil and a part of Phil will always love Shirley but they work better with their current partners. Phil and Shirley will always be drawn together because of their similarities, but it is also those similarities that make them toxic. I think Phil does love Sharon and Shirley does love Buster too though. Sometimes you can love more than one person just in different ways. Shirley and Buster make a good couple, we just need to see more of them. Sharon and Phil need work but Dom has made it clear that they are endgame, I don't think he would split them up? If they split Sharon and Phil up completely then Sharon would be a lone character again and I don't think she works in that capacity. The current set up is fine, imo.”
I agree 100%.
Shirley and Phil will always love each other as friends and there might be stronger feelings but I'm not sure yet. I've no doubt that they loved each other in the past but they have moved on after a horrendous year in 2014. They obviously care for each other like close friends and have some sort of affection because they were engaged in 2012 and have a few years' history together.
I think Shirley loves Buster and their heart to heart talk last summer was very moving/heartfelt because it was an emotional journey for Shirley and Buster when she broke down in his arms and I thought his response was very mature/understanding. I am feeling underwhelmed with the lack of Shirley and Buster scenes on their own because we don't seem to get any more development from them. It appears that Buster is a supporting character and it's a pity, to be frank, because they still have lots of fans judging from the feedback on social media. I want to be proved wrong about Buster's current status but there are lots of characters who are underdeveloped. In conclusion, I still feel there is a lot of potential for Shirl and Buster
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.”
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
That person is (still) living in an alternative reality then, I see.
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.”
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
I remember talking to that fan a few years ago but wow she has some strong views and she's very ummmmm passionate about a couple that might never get back together.
BIT IN BOLD - Ben appeared first, not Shirley
Originally Posted by jamesc_715:
“I agree 100%.
Shirley and Phil will always love each other as friends and there might be stronger feelings but I'm not sure yet. I've no doubt that they loved each other in the past but they have moved on after a horrendous year in 2014. They obviously care for each other like close friends and have some sort of affection because they were engaged in 2012 and have a few years' history together.
I think Shirley loves Buster and their heart to heart talk last summer was very moving/heartfelt because it was an emotional journey for Shirley and Buster when she broke down in his arms and I thought his response was very mature/understanding. I am feeling underwhelmed with the lack of Shirley and Buster scenes on their own because we don't seem to get any more development from them. It appears that Buster is a supporting character and it's a pity, to be frank, because they still have lots of fans judging from the feedback on social media. I want to be proved wrong about Buster's current status but there are lots of characters who are underdeveloped. In conclusion, I still feel there is a lot of potential for Shirl and Buster”
“I agree 100%.
Shirley and Phil will always love each other as friends and there might be stronger feelings but I'm not sure yet. I've no doubt that they loved each other in the past but they have moved on after a horrendous year in 2014. They obviously care for each other like close friends and have some sort of affection because they were engaged in 2012 and have a few years' history together.
I think Shirley loves Buster and their heart to heart talk last summer was very moving/heartfelt because it was an emotional journey for Shirley and Buster when she broke down in his arms and I thought his response was very mature/understanding. I am feeling underwhelmed with the lack of Shirley and Buster scenes on their own because we don't seem to get any more development from them. It appears that Buster is a supporting character and it's a pity, to be frank, because they still have lots of fans judging from the feedback on social media. I want to be proved wrong about Buster's current status but there are lots of characters who are underdeveloped. In conclusion, I still feel there is a lot of potential for Shirl and Buster
”
Definitely agree.
Shirley and Phil will always have a rapport, they were friends for a long time and they did have a relationship. I think they love each other but perhaps aren't 'in' love with each other. If that makes sense? That bond will always be there, it has survived a lot but I think they have moved on from each other to an extent, perhaps knowing that they bring out the worst in each other? It might not be forever but I think this is the case. They are on a more even ground now and so I would like their friendship to be reexplored without having Shirley chasing after Phil, especially now she has Buster. The friendship between them has always been a good one.
I agree, I think Shirley loves Buster. and vice versa. They have this history that we are yet to know about, I don't know if that's intentional or whether it is due to their underdevelopment as a couple. Either way I would like to find out more. The scenes they have had together as a couple have been really good, especially when the main focus hasn't been on Dean, and their H2H in the B&B last year was touching and really affirmed the affection between them. I like the stability Buster provides Shirley and how he is able to talk to her and bring out her nicer side. I have seen a lot of good comments on Social Media about Shirley and Buster, it's just a shame that we don't see them that much. Hopefully they will have a storyline together this year that doesn't involve affairs, or Dean. I have been underwhelmed by the lack of development for them, and for Buster as a character in his own right too. There is buckets of potential there, if only tptb would look into it more. Perhaps they have been neglected slightly because of the amount of focus upon Dean last year? I'd like to see more of Buster with Shirley and the Carters, and perhaps an old prison mate/rival or family member turning up for him? Just not secret children, they haven't even developed his relationship with Mick yet.
I also think that Dom likes Sharon and Phil. There was so much talk about Sharon becoming Mitchell matriarch that I can't see them taking her away from that dynamic completely and alienating her. Without the Mitchells, Sharon will be a lone character (aside from Gavin). They need to work on her relationship with Phil if they want it to last. Perhaps they intend to split them up and set out to put Sharon and Phil on an even keel also?
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“Definitely agree.
Shirley and Phil will always have a rapport, they were friends for a long time and they did have a relationship. I think they love each other but perhaps aren't 'in' love with each other. If that makes sense? That bond will always be there, it has survived a lot but I think they have moved on from each other to an extent, perhaps knowing that they bring out the worst in each other? It might not be forever but I think this is the case. They are on a more even ground now and so I would like their friendship to be reexplored without having Shirley chasing after Phil, especially now she has Buster. The friendship between them has always been a good one.
I agree, I think Shirley loves Buster. and vice versa. They have this history that we are yet to know about, I don't know if that's intentional or whether it is due to their underdevelopment as a couple. Either way I would like to find out more. The scenes they have had together as a couple have been really good, especially when the main focus hasn't been on Dean, and their H2H in the B&B last year was touching and really affirmed the affection between them. I like the stability Buster provides Shirley and how he is able to talk to her and bring out her nicer side. I have seen a lot of good comments on Social Media about Shirley and Buster, it's just a shame that we don't see them that much. Hopefully they will have a storyline together this year that doesn't involve affairs, or Dean. I have been underwhelmed by the lack of development for them, and for Buster as a character in his own right too. There is buckets of potential there, if only tptb would look into it more. Perhaps they have been neglected slightly because of the amount of focus upon Dean last year? I'd like to see more of Buster with Shirley and the Carters, and perhaps an old prison mate/rival or family member turning up for him? Just not secret children, they haven't even developed his relationship with Mick yet.
I also think that Dom likes Sharon and Phil. There was so much talk about Sharon becoming Mitchell matriarch that I can't see them taking her away from that dynamic completely and alienating her. Without the Mitchells, Sharon will be a lone character (aside from Gavin). They need to work on her relationship with Phil if they want it to last. Perhaps they intend to split them up and set out to put Sharon and Phil on an even keel also?”
“Definitely agree.
Shirley and Phil will always have a rapport, they were friends for a long time and they did have a relationship. I think they love each other but perhaps aren't 'in' love with each other. If that makes sense? That bond will always be there, it has survived a lot but I think they have moved on from each other to an extent, perhaps knowing that they bring out the worst in each other? It might not be forever but I think this is the case. They are on a more even ground now and so I would like their friendship to be reexplored without having Shirley chasing after Phil, especially now she has Buster. The friendship between them has always been a good one.
I agree, I think Shirley loves Buster. and vice versa. They have this history that we are yet to know about, I don't know if that's intentional or whether it is due to their underdevelopment as a couple. Either way I would like to find out more. The scenes they have had together as a couple have been really good, especially when the main focus hasn't been on Dean, and their H2H in the B&B last year was touching and really affirmed the affection between them. I like the stability Buster provides Shirley and how he is able to talk to her and bring out her nicer side. I have seen a lot of good comments on Social Media about Shirley and Buster, it's just a shame that we don't see them that much. Hopefully they will have a storyline together this year that doesn't involve affairs, or Dean. I have been underwhelmed by the lack of development for them, and for Buster as a character in his own right too. There is buckets of potential there, if only tptb would look into it more. Perhaps they have been neglected slightly because of the amount of focus upon Dean last year? I'd like to see more of Buster with Shirley and the Carters, and perhaps an old prison mate/rival or family member turning up for him? Just not secret children, they haven't even developed his relationship with Mick yet.
I also think that Dom likes Sharon and Phil. There was so much talk about Sharon becoming Mitchell matriarch that I can't see them taking her away from that dynamic completely and alienating her. Without the Mitchells, Sharon will be a lone character (aside from Gavin). They need to work on her relationship with Phil if they want it to last. Perhaps they intend to split them up and set out to put Sharon and Phil on an even keel also?”
An excellent post I would just add that Buster treats Shirley very well.
They are a true couple.
Unlike the Philth who has emotionally or physically abused every partner that he has ever been lucky enough to have (including slapping Sharon in the Vic - but the writers forgot all about that in recent episodes).
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.”
“Statement by the Phirley society…..
‘Phil and Sharon are not soulmates. People need to get with that fact. Phirley always get loads of tweets. So many people want them together. Shirley appeared first in Friday’s montage and looked at Phil’s BEDROOM. Would you look at someone’s bedroom if you only saw them as a friend? She would have looked at Buster’s flat aka her flat if he was her true love. Duh. Phil said it was too late with Kathy, Sharon and Ben. This proves that there’s still hope for them, not that she’s not even on his radar. The fact Shirley was included in the montage proves that they will get back together, it’s not to give the pointless cretin more airtime. She was FIRST to appear. It is sooo obvious that Phil does love Shirley. It cannot be anymore obvious!! They showed Shirley FIRST. We, the Phirley society, are the most confident that we have been in a long, long time that a Phirley reunion is imminent. They’re NOT just FRIENDS. Ok. There is no doubt that they’re true love personified. He also ripped up his wedding picture which is akin to a divorce in soapland. Phirley are so complex lol, this will help you all to understand the complexity of their relationship. #Phirl4Eva’
I’m glad they have cleared that up.
”
Utterly brilliant Dj
I voted 'herself' as Shirley always thinks first about Shirley and everyone else (including her small children) could go to hell.
A close second is vodka. Even when she learned that her son was a rapist, her first move was to go to the shop and buy vodka and ciggies.
Buster is a non-entity and will always come second to Phil in Shirely's estimation. Sooner or later he will get it into his thick head that he is a substitute for Phil - the man who publicly said that having sex with Shirley made him physically sick - and will leave her.
And somehow I don't think she will care.
A close second is vodka. Even when she learned that her son was a rapist, her first move was to go to the shop and buy vodka and ciggies.
Buster is a non-entity and will always come second to Phil in Shirely's estimation. Sooner or later he will get it into his thick head that he is a substitute for Phil - the man who publicly said that having sex with Shirley made him physically sick - and will leave her.
And somehow I don't think she will care.
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“An excellent post I would just add that Buster treats Shirley very well.
They are a true couple.
Unlike the Philth who has emotionally or physically abused every partner that he has ever been lucky enough to have (including slapping Sharon in the Vic - but the writers forgot all about that in recent episodes).”
“An excellent post I would just add that Buster treats Shirley very well.
They are a true couple.
Unlike the Philth who has emotionally or physically abused every partner that he has ever been lucky enough to have (including slapping Sharon in the Vic - but the writers forgot all about that in recent episodes).”
The writing for Phil and Shirley was inconsistent and that was a problem. If they addressed Phil's inability to function as part of a couple then I wouldn't be opposed to them reuniting in future.
I wonder whether Phil's cirrhosis and the death of Peggy will change him?
I actually reckon it's Phil.
Although she has feelings for Buster, I don't think she actually "loves" him, not in the way she did Phil. He has a way of getting to her. And even lately we have seen her getting involved in his drama, she can't keep away from him, no matter how vile he is to her.
She was quick enough to wallop Carol and throw Buster out a few months back, when she thought they'd slept together.
She would be initially angry, but I think she'd take Phil back time and again, even after he shagged his own auntie (eww)
Although she has feelings for Buster, I don't think she actually "loves" him, not in the way she did Phil. He has a way of getting to her. And even lately we have seen her getting involved in his drama, she can't keep away from him, no matter how vile he is to her.
She was quick enough to wallop Carol and throw Buster out a few months back, when she thought they'd slept together.
She would be initially angry, but I think she'd take Phil back time and again, even after he shagged his own auntie (eww)
Originally Posted by Keibro:
“I actually reckon it's Phil.
Although she has feelings for Buster, I don't think she actually "loves" him, not in the way she did Phil. He has a way of getting to her. And even lately we have seen her getting involved in his drama, she can't keep away from him, no matter how vile he is to her.
She was quick enough to wallop Carol and throw Buster out a few months back, when she thought they'd slept together.
She would be initially angry, but I think she'd take Phil back time and again, even after he shagged his own auntie (eww)”
“I actually reckon it's Phil.
Although she has feelings for Buster, I don't think she actually "loves" him, not in the way she did Phil. He has a way of getting to her. And even lately we have seen her getting involved in his drama, she can't keep away from him, no matter how vile he is to her.
She was quick enough to wallop Carol and throw Buster out a few months back, when she thought they'd slept together.
She would be initially angry, but I think she'd take Phil back time and again, even after he shagged his own auntie (eww)”
I would only accept a Phil and Shirley reunion if Phil chose Shirley and they remained on equal. Otherwise it would just be going around the same on tedium again.
Shirley loves Buster, but I can't say whether it is in the same league as Phil. Though I think Phil does love Shirley too, he just won't admit it.
Originally Posted by lolamonroe:
“Guys who is Vinnie”
“Guys who is Vinnie”
Vinnie Monks was one of Shirley's partners a few years back. He was played by Bobby Davro.
Shirley needs to accept that Phil will always love Kathy and Sharon more than her. Friday's episode showed Phil devastated after his breakup with Sharon and he mentioned about Kathy and Sharon to Peggy. Not Shirley. He also told Louise that he thought Sharon was the one and no-one has come close. But he genuinely loved Kathy a lot.
If Shirley dumps Buster for Phil, she's not going to be in a stable relationship with him. He will always treat her like crap and he'll be drawn to Sharon and Kathy all the time IMO.
If Shirley dumps Buster for Phil, she's not going to be in a stable relationship with him. He will always treat her like crap and he'll be drawn to Sharon and Kathy all the time IMO.
Originally Posted by wizardt:
“Shirley needs to accept that Phil will always love Kathy and Sharon more than her. Friday's episode showed Phil devastated after his breakup with Sharon and he mentioned about Kathy and Sharon to Peggy. Not Shirley. He also told Louise that he thought Sharon was the one and no-one has come close. But he genuinely loved Kathy a lot.
If Shirley dumps Buster for Phil, she's not going to be in a stable relationship with him. He will always treat her like crap and he'll be drawn to Sharon and Kathy all the time IMO.”
“Shirley needs to accept that Phil will always love Kathy and Sharon more than her. Friday's episode showed Phil devastated after his breakup with Sharon and he mentioned about Kathy and Sharon to Peggy. Not Shirley. He also told Louise that he thought Sharon was the one and no-one has come close. But he genuinely loved Kathy a lot.
If Shirley dumps Buster for Phil, she's not going to be in a stable relationship with him. He will always treat her like crap and he'll be drawn to Sharon and Kathy all the time IMO.”
BIB1: I'm not sure on this because DTC has said that Phil loves Shirley and Sharon and Kathy. It did seem odd that they went out of their way to not include Shirley in what Phil was saying yet are involving her in the storyline. I thought anyway.
BIB2: This is exactly the problem. Unless they changed that dynamic then it would just be the same old tedium. It would be a shame to lose Buster but he is so underdeveloped and I can't understand why?
Trying to look at this objectively.
I think if you look back over Phil's 25 years on the show, his most significant relationships have been with Kathy and Sharon. I say this because Kathy and Sharon are the two women that Phil asked to have his children. We all know how much importance is placed on 'Mitchell children' by Phil and Grant so I think it's highly significant that Sharon was the one woman that both brothers asked to bear their children. As far as I can recall Tiffany fell pregnant with Courtney; Grant never asked for a baby with her (and constantly told her that he loved Sharon more anyway) and this doesn't apply to Lisa either because Phil didn't even know Louise was his until well after she was born. Even then, Phil had no interest in rekindling his relationship with Lisa. It was all about Louise.
Kathy and Phil had Ben, and then throughout 2001 Phil pleaded with Sharon to start a family with him. When Sharon revealed she couldn't have kids he practically begged her to consider adopting. It didn't matter to him that the child wouldn't be "his" he just wanted to have a family with Sharon. I've rarely seen Phil as cut up as he was when Sharon walked out on him at Christmas 01. Four years later, when Dennis died, Phil admitted to Sharon that he hoped they could leave for America and raise her baby together.
Now I don't doubt that Phil probably did love Shirley at one point and that he still obviously cares about her. However, when it comes to the desire to have a family I think it's pretty obvious Phil would never have chosen Shirley to be the mother of his children.
I think if you look back over Phil's 25 years on the show, his most significant relationships have been with Kathy and Sharon. I say this because Kathy and Sharon are the two women that Phil asked to have his children. We all know how much importance is placed on 'Mitchell children' by Phil and Grant so I think it's highly significant that Sharon was the one woman that both brothers asked to bear their children. As far as I can recall Tiffany fell pregnant with Courtney; Grant never asked for a baby with her (and constantly told her that he loved Sharon more anyway) and this doesn't apply to Lisa either because Phil didn't even know Louise was his until well after she was born. Even then, Phil had no interest in rekindling his relationship with Lisa. It was all about Louise.
Kathy and Phil had Ben, and then throughout 2001 Phil pleaded with Sharon to start a family with him. When Sharon revealed she couldn't have kids he practically begged her to consider adopting. It didn't matter to him that the child wouldn't be "his" he just wanted to have a family with Sharon. I've rarely seen Phil as cut up as he was when Sharon walked out on him at Christmas 01. Four years later, when Dennis died, Phil admitted to Sharon that he hoped they could leave for America and raise her baby together.
Now I don't doubt that Phil probably did love Shirley at one point and that he still obviously cares about her. However, when it comes to the desire to have a family I think it's pretty obvious Phil would never have chosen Shirley to be the mother of his children.
The only person we've witnessed her showing true affection for is Phil.
Not as much chemistry between Shirls and Buster but maybe that might change.
Not as much chemistry between Shirls and Buster but maybe that might change.
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