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Really? At one point during her vicious ranting I thought she had on a cabbage patch doll mask.
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The threat of physical violence came after Tiffany launched herself out of bed shouting "don't get in my face" they had to both be held back from each other.
Tiffany had every right to launch herself at the aggressive attitude and confrontation just because she chose to laugh off what was being said. Meghan had no right to repeat what John had said at all to Tiffany. Where did that come from? |
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#78 |
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How is the diary room part relevant? Were the other HMs in the DR with her?
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Because that isnt part of this series narrative for her role is why.
PSST. Its not real. |
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Unfortunately it is never going to happen when people who do live and think like that are slated and called ignorant. There is no denying that racism exists but having a go at someone who is clearly not racist (or ignorant) really doesn't help.
When it is directly in front of someones face and they refuse to acknowledge it there is likely to be some reason. Subscribing it to Innocence or ignorance is actually giving them the benefit of the doubt. So if the person is neither, then why else would they not want to recognise racism in action? If anyone views the disparity with which they are both being treated and doesn't acknowledge it then they probably have some latent biases and if they say they don't notice race they are - at best - kidding themselves. |
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Ideally that is how we all should be and then racism wouldn't exist but sadly it does and we need to acknowledge that not hide behind empty rhetoric.
It's actually quite refreshing that racism has been mentioned in this thread without the usual instant flurry of posts utterly dismissing the possibility. |
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Her behaviour tonight was much worse and more volatile than Tiffabys the other day, yet not one of them mentioned feeling scared or threatened to leave if she didn't.
Hmmm wonder why.... |
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More towards this, she was having a go at the two people in there more than able to fight their own corner.
Tiffany was having a go at an older woman, seemingly more vulnerable, especially after receiving some upsetting news. Anybody who thinks that it has to do with Tiff being black is deluded. Why see racism? I thought the word had been abolished anyway? so archaic, everybody knows that is not a problem anymore. We shouldn't see colour. Example, some hardly notice the white washing in Hollywood. Which is great because it means they don't see colour! |
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More towards this, she was having a go at the two people in there more than able to fight their own corner.
Tiffany was having a go at an older woman, seemingly more vulnerable, especially after receiving some upsetting news. |
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Pollard has a violent past
simples |
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I most certainly did not say it didnt exist . I said it never dawns on ME . On ME . I was talking about me and my perceptions . Somehow saying I hardly ever notice colour has for some reason now turned into something else
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She didnt slag of gays and this is the kind of thing BB loves... fights galore , it gets viewers in.... do they want to lose that.... and to think what Winston was shoved out for...
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you don't ever notice what colour someone is? i do, it's actually the first thing i notice about them. saying you don't see race is very offensive in itself even though you are trying not to be. this article explains it well. http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...sm-not-helping
Which is probably why when others jump to conclusions that someones reason to hate was due to racism it not the first thing on my mind . When some of the housemates said Tiffany needs to leave it wasnt my first thought that it was because she is black . It didnt dawn on me probably because it wouldnt have even been a thought in my head . I tend to first judge people on behaviour and character . Maybe I am wrong to presume others do sometimes too and theirin lies the problem . I have no idea why some of the housemates felt how they did , but my first thought wasnt because they are racist . A few posters have understood and come to my suppport and I appreciate that Thank you . I dont know how to multi quote to reply And now I am leaving the thread as people are choosing to call judge me wrongly That may very well due to my poor communication or misunderstanding so I bow out now . |
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Vulnerable my foot. It's like saying a rabid rotweiller is vunerable. How anyone fell for that disgusting act from that snarly woman is beyond me. She was definately vunerable when saying Winston should suck her big one and the look on her face was terrifyingly vicious, How many old biddies use that type of language?
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This racist thing is pathetic. Tiffany lied. Fact
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It's not at all clear whether somebody is clearly not racist or not unlike they demonstrate their attitude towards race. Saying I'm not racist but doesn't cut it.
When it is directly in front of someones face and they refuse to acknowledge it there is likely to be some reason. Subscribing it to Innocence or ignorance is actually giving them the benefit of the doubt. So if the person is neither, then why else would they not want to recognise racism in action? If anyone views the disparity with which they are both being treated and doesn't acknowledge it then they probably have some latent biases and if they say they don't notice race they are - at best - kidding themselves. As Ducky pointed out, of course we notice a difference in people in that some are black, some are white, some have brown hair, some have blonde hair, etc. but it doesn't mean you treat them any differently. The bias seems to be coming more from you by inferring that everyone is racist rather than anyone else on this forum. |
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If people go around gleefully seeking out 'racism' then they are bound to find it.
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It isn't out and out racism is it? So why are people on here accusing the others of being racist practically?
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Unfortunately it is never going to happen when people who do live and think like that are slated and called ignorant. There is no denying that racism exists but having a go at someone who is clearly not racist (or ignorant) really doesn't help.
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I know where she is coming from too because I think I come from there as well. It would never occur to me to think less of a person because of their skin colour any more than I would make allowances for them for that reason. What is more, I honestly don't know anybody who does. I am not denying those people exist but they are not people I encounter and even less ones I would associate with.
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The DR is relevant. She was out of control even when the so called discussion had ended she was still ranting and out of control. ...
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