Todays repeat of last night.

Lets Bullet point -

* BB as part of the task use Gemma's "I want my shoes back" - The house announce (between them) that this is from Gemma directed at Tiff.

* Tiff says she'll go and get them

* Gemma tells her she has already stolen them back, and 'explains' that Tiff is not beautiful enough to wear them, (and feels that justifies her stealing them back)

* Tiff understandably goes off on one

* The entire house concludes Tiff is out of order, and side with Gemma.


What planet are these people on?

The one that happen yesterday as you so rightly point out

Zeleb planet.

I do agree that the house seems to display a level of suspicion and reaction to Tiff that is not explained by and disproportionate to the footage we have seen.

Completely agree. It makes very little sense to me. Are we supposed to side against Tiffany without seeing anything really horrible from her? Or are we supposed to feel sorry for her and side with her?

BB's edits this year are confusing.

I got the impression that the three who walked out were exasperated by Tiffany kicking off yet again, l think the fact that Gemma was out of order was lost on them.

However l do wonder if comments were made afterwards, when we see Gemma grizzling in her bed refusing to "play anymore".

I saw a post the other day that said the camera lingered over somebody's grazed hand on LF, not sure if it was Tiffany's but I'm very dubious about what we were shown. Even the first scene where she's sitting beside Angie was cut, I wonder did Tiffany ask something like avid, our David? or wtte and Angie said yes. It will be interesting when Tiffany comes out as I don't think she is a liar, I think she genuinely thought she had checked with Angie.

There is a full transcript of the entire conversation on another thread that confirms Tiffany did lie ! She told Darren that Angies exact words were "David Gest has died" and insisted this repeatedly to Darren, however the transcript confirms Angies exact words were "David has died" and at no point did Tiffany ask for any clarification which was her biggest mistake!

The transcript is what was broadcast, I meant what didn't we see when the clip is cut at the very beginning of the fiasco when Tiffany and Angie are still on the sofa. I watched it back a couple if times and there is a cut, its not one continuous scene. Then there's the missing 40 mins when she was off on one and Angie was in the DR, did Tiffany punch a wall or something? why else were they so afraid of her and not Megan. I'm not referring to the racist discourse theory, though i do think that had a big impact on how the HMs saw Tiffany, I mean did she do something specific that made them scared? There's something missing about that night.

But she did that in a state of high stress after having recieved really shocking news. Hearing that a housemate was lying dead in the next room is likely to have started an adrenaline rush. Then while that physical response is still in her system she gets bombarded with all sorts of information that anyone would have had difficulty to process. I suspect she was at that point convinced that Angie had confirmed it was David Gest because that was the most logical explanation to make sense of information that didn't fit together.

Yes I agree there is something in that gap that is key to understanding.

Indeed. I thought that maybe Tiff had done something quite huge that we weren't privy to going from the reactions of the others. Now, I don't know at all. I would like to see Tiffany's BITCH though, she's been pretty tame as far as we've seen.

Editing was odd, Darren Day in the bathroom with Megan/Gemma/Danni and his jacket was on.. then off... then back on again...

There is a lot of vulnerability in her little face.

Perhaps it depends on how "off on one" Tiff went.

Maybe? still doesn't justify no one in the house having a problem with Gemma's actions though.

i think tiffany either said or did something we havent seen to many hms seem against her personnally i dont like what we have seen of her far to loud and looking for rows to be one of my faves