John was slagging off Tiffany for not cleaning and stated they would have a big meeting about it in the morning. I heard Gemma in the background pitching in as well.

Megan told John to tell Tiffany. She was clearly fed up with him slagging people off behind their backs and getting everyone to do his dirty work for him!

When Tiffany returned to the bedroom John began arguing with Megan that she doesn't 'clean his sh*t' thereby winding her up further.

Megan was trying to tell Tiffany that John slags her off behind her back. She wasn't very coherent and Tiffany didn't understand so laughed which is when Megan lost it completely!,

John then sat back and played Mr Reasonable again and said 'how would it look if I'd argued with a drunk 23year old girl'. He only cared how it would 'look' as he had already argued with her about cleaning his sh*t.

He caused all of that IMO - I just wonder if he is aware he is doing it or has he just got a manipulative personality?

I sooooo hope he gets booed tonight and we see him try to change tact!

I thought they were moaning about Steph not cleaning, not Tiffany?

They were

I thought she was telling John to get out of bed and tell someone (I didnt think it was Tiffany) to clean their crap and he said no because they were having a meeting tomorrow to discus it. Then Megan kept saying go on get her and bring her in here and tell her NOW, which John refused to do Then I thought she said she is tired of cleaning up shit after everyone in the house and John said she didn't clean up his shit. Then she got worse

Was John moaning about Steph? Megan made it about her certainly.

Yeah I'm sure John knew exactly how mentally insane Megan is. THE PUPPET MASTER.

Has anyone actually seen Megan doing any cleaning? I know there are 23 other hours in the day but she doesn't seem to do much about the house.

John must have been moaning about Steph Because Megan told him to tell her to clean her shit up

No it was Steph they were talking about... What seemed to actually happen was this:

Megan was drunk, went to the bedroom and John asked her if she would talk to Stephanie about cleaning, since she's her mate.

Megan at first said she would and started to walk away... Then realised she was basically doing the very thing that had been bubbling away in her for two days anyway, ie dancing to Johns tune... So she came back and told him that she didn't think he should put this on her and if he had a problem with Steph he should tell her himself.

John asked why she was making this about her... Tiffany then laughed... That seemed to be the straw that broke the camels back for her, she turned to Tiffany and started shouting at her that she shouldn't be laughing along with 'Jonathan' because he tried to turn the whole house against her and now he's being all nicey, nicey...

John then started shouting over the top of her that his names not Jonathan, a fact he repeated four times whilst she was still trying to talk to Tiffany, which made her angrier and angrier... And a fact that Tiffany found very funny.... Then Megan exploded, she took a step towards Tiffany, shouting louder and Tiffany (taking this as a sign of aggression) threw back her covers and tried to get to her...

...The others all piled in, separated them and Big Brother ordered Megan to the bathroom.

He was moaning about Steph. Tiffany was in the bedroom the whole time.

Did John force Megan to demand Big Brother give the HMs more booze?? And when said booze was delivered did he force it down Megan's throat??

The answer is no to both questions so the only HM to blame for Megan's drunken rant was Megan herself.

Just for the record I'm not too keen on John

Megan brought Tiffany into it to manipulate her into attacking John. Tiffany didn't rise to the bait, and that made Megan angrier.

John orchestrated nothing. Megan had not been eating the right stuff for her Coeliac condition and has probably been given her own way her entire life by overindulgent parenting. The pressure of the house, refusal to eat appropriate foods, then eating
and drinking inappropriate stuff, lack of sleep and everything else just led to a complete melt-down which had been brewing for two days, with absolutely no input from John at all.

Why was Megan accusing John of lying

I really don't see how John knew that Megan would fly off the wall like a woman possess, how can it be his fault ?

It's obvious Megan can't drink and couple it with hardly eaten anything for almost two days, it spells disaster.

If anyone is at fault, it was BB giving HMs alcohol that night *shrugs*

No he didn't.

After he asked Megan to have a word with Steph and it all got a little bit anstey, he said that no it wasn't worth it, to leave it as they'd meet tomorrow anyway, and just to forget it.

Megan had stopped, well, probably never had started, properly listening then, mind.

The producers orchestrated that task for someone to blow a fuse, perhaps predicting it would be Tiffany, as a lot of the negative questions and answers seem to be directed her way. Throw in the concept of puppets, practically shackled and their strings being pulled by other hms, lack of food for the oppressed puppets and something was bound to give. I am surprised that we have not up till now had that type of reaction when BB pushes the hms so far. Megan may have went over the top but I don't entirely blame her for this and was happy to see her rage against BB in the diary room.
Unfortunately, they probably got a better reaction than they hoped for.

Sly john . He wanted megan to confront steph and she simply put it right back at him that she wasn't dancing to his tune and if he wants that done then should do it himself . But john doesn't confront one to one, he likes house meetings where he can manipulate by wibbling on like a grubby verbose politician on the hustings . He knows he can orate well and sway the crowd and megan was right to refuse his desire to lead a witch hunt (just like he did against tiffers) .
I cannot stand john . He is one of those who imagines that his endless appearances on bots somehow qualifies him as an expert . Oh yes he knows how to manipulate situations and some people , but many others are immune to his machiavellian charm . I certainly find it repulsive . I despise manipulation .
My heart broke for darren when john shafted him in noms . The poor guy was devastated . John pontificating at him when darren asked his reasoning was nauseating and despite the man hugs and apparent making up I just know that darren still has that hurt lurking and now distrusts john .Good .
Gemma can be a pain in the arse but she often gives good advice and was right when she told darren to watch out for john's sly ways .

It was orchestrated by herself...

I totally agree with Heatherbell. John wasn't innocent in Megan meltdown . He's an adult and should have done his own dirty work speaking to Steph about cleaning. I can see Megan's point about him. He makes the bullets for others to fire. I've gone right off him. Nasty piece of work.

He also called her back twice when she was trying to flounce out to argue with her some more... And he leapt on her getting his name wrong and made a really bizarre issue out of it whilst ignoring everything else she'd said... (Hey! He'd fit right in around here actually )

So suggesting to someone's mate that they might have a word with them is making bullets for others to fire?

Sometimes I think anything John says or does gets given far too much significance. I bet he wishes he was that devious.

I do not see how any of this is manipulative like people are making it out to be

John wanted Stephanie to clean her stuff because she never cleans. Wow, what a horrible person. If my memory serves me correct it was Megan who suggested telling Stephanie and John said yes because she's her friend. But even if it was John who suggested it, so what? Even if John did suggest Megan telling Stephanie that's hardly crime of the year?

And he said they were going to have a meeting the next day so he would have said it to her face eventually

Agreed

Yeah that's all true but... Erm... Well you could see it in his eyes couldn't you? Erm... Oh! And when BB cut back to him later he had his fingers cupped together like Mr Burns... Did anybody else notice that?

So... You know.... EXPLAIN THAT! You can't can you?

John would love that. Just like James did last year. His ego would love being cheered or boo'd, what it couldn't stand was total silence, but then that's not very likely to happen with the BB audience.

You're talking sense. But it's too late for John now I'm afraid. He's got the label of villain and it'll stick no matter what. Every move he makes will be dissected and interpreted as scheming, sly, bullying etc.