[QUOTEc=*~TeePee~*;81112472]We have one shot to save him, and to crack the smug ones. It CAN be done.
My phone is clamouring for some vote action [/quote]

Count me in

On Bots they keep saying John is two faced.....but when has he been two faced?

I think he is a sanctimonious worm. But we need more of him. It's too early for him to go. I just hope the rent-a-mob hasn't booed him into submission.

This is baffling me too- there have been times when he's been rude, overbearing, patronising, etc. but he hasn't been two-faced. He literally nominated Darren to his face- the complete opposite to backstabbing. He told Tiffany to her face he and others wanted her out etc. I get why people have turned on him, but calling him sly is weird because I don't see it like that at all myself!

For me, that proved beyond doubt that fans of this show make things up to justify their reason for disliking someone. I haven't seen John be two faced once.

Oh pop me in for team John too... At least until Gemma's gone anyway.

Exactly.

Anything he has said has been to the persons face, so to label him two faced is baffling.

I find Darren to be two faced, with his bitching with Gemma about John nominating him, yet telling John he is fine with it, it's all forgotten about.
Of course, Gemma has been stirring Darren up, and I sometimes think Darren is still a puppet with Gemma and Meghan pulling his strings

She heard the crowd and voted for him.

Neither of them will get my vote

Darren is coming across like a wimp at the moment. If he's not fine with it then he should stop telling John he has moved past it. His bitching with Gemma has proven that he has not moved on from it.

I agree. Amazing how quickly logic gets thrown out the window isn't it?

Ah well, he's on the live feed now saying how delighted he was to hear the shouts to get him out... So I resign from team John again. I'm nothing if not fickle.

Agree with all. He's not been two faced, but clearly being upfront and honest is wrong too :s

Darren himself has pretty much gotten over it, and he hasn't let it affect his and johns relationship - Gemma is a stirrer, SHE and Megan carried it on.

Much as I like Gemma, and her varying banter or advice around the house, Where has John been manipulative? Ok, so he took charge earlier in the week when Tiffany misheard Angie saying a David had died, assuming it was Gest, etc..., but that's hardly anything to blow up about, and it's not devious or anything as I felt he was sticking up for Angie when Tiffany totally took offense when she found out she had got the two David's confused. Other housemates have been more 'gameplayers' than John, but to be fair we don't see it from a 24/7 perspective, so who knows, what I do know is he doesn't deserve to be booed and hated by the crowd, and Gemma & co need to air their opinions with and on him in a calm way (unlikely, but it needs to happen), otherwise we're going to witness more lynch mobs emerging, maybe I over dramatise.

I think that Gemma feels threatened by John, the same for Megan too. They probably felt he was their biggest threat of winning!!

I think Darren's pretty stung by it and isn't really over it, but he wouldn't still be going on about it without Gemma's constantly bringing it up. He seems pretty mature and level-headed and just wants to get on with it.

It seems that two faced is the lazy insult of the time for those who are too stupid to actually think.

King John??? Sez who? He is a conniving snake and the crowd knows it!

Gemma is honest and decent. Most of the anti Gemma comments are from people who can't see further than her size.

Dont matter if you like him or hate him, john is going nowhere tuesday. And its all thanks to angie nomming kristina and the vote to save. As the next most boring HM after nancy no one is gonna vote to save her. No one!

I couldn't care less if Gemma is a size 20 or a size 8.

She is the biggest manipulator in the house, and keeps butting into arguments that have nothing to do with her.

She is a busybody, and quite malicious.

Someone get the Guillotine.

What I don't understand is Gemma, three days later, said about Darren and the cigarettes, yet when John first said it she agreed and even said 'cigarettes leads to drink, drink leads to drugs.'

Has something else happened with Darren and John, or have the housemates just suddenly remembered?!!

I'm disappointed with Darren, I keep seeing him pathetically following Gemma around and thanking her for all her 'support'. She's done nothing but make him feel worse by bringing it up all the time when it was over.

Gemma hasn't a ounce of honesty or decency in her little finger much less the rest of her body! What a poor excuse bringing her size into it!

No, Gemma is just stirring up that one thing and taking some fake 'moral high ground' by manipulating Darren. Who seems to be buying it.

She says one thing one day, and another the next, depending on what serves HER whether it's attention or power.

why ?
is Stephanie going to be a surprise evictee ?
Count me in in that case

Yes I'm disappointed in Darren too, especially as he has told John he's over it and it's forgotten! But then sucking up to Gemma telling her how much he appreciates her standing up for him!