I agree. I do like Gemma, but I don't like her stirring. At least John says how it is. I thought he and Darren had resolved it all?

shame

Sadly I have a sinking feeling Darren's not always processing what's going on around him very quickly

Perhaps he heard Cheers for Gemma and he's confused

I really like Darren and hope he doesn't sell himself short

he needs to start really thinking about who's saying what and to whom in that house and trust in his own opinions

As for 'King' John
that's a laugh John's been knocked down a peg being nominated, let's see how he handles it, but KING he is not.

Totally agree. She has been poisoning everyone's minds about John and Daniella soon noticed what was going on. I want to see their smug faces drop when the public save John on Tuesday.

I don't like John but I don't want him to go. He is kind of interesting and I would like to see just how smug he can get.

Of the ones up for eviction, I would like to see Kristina go. I like her but she worries me being in there in the early stages of pregnancy. Far too stressful for her and for me as a viewer.

I would say in respect to how he's been towards Tiffany.
He acted very differently when in front of all the others compared to how he was with Tiffany.

However, if we say that we (is that a royal 'we'?) need to get rid of a certain group who are smug, has anybody spotted the inherent problem we have here?

If 'we' get rid of John and the people close to him to wipe the smug smile off his face, then we are left with Gemma and her cronies.
Then it's Gemma and co who become the 'smug gang'.
Then what?

It's a never ending circle which has no satisfactory end to it.

What if you don't like John or Gemma? I know that getting rid of either group who are either on John's side or Gemma's side won't do anything for me because I'll be disappointed with who I've got left anyway.
To me they're like two sides of the same coin and I could go back and forth wanting to get rid of either 'smug group'. As soon as you achieve your objective the group you've just got rid of is replaced by a smug group.

There's no way around it if you dislike most of the house.
Get rid of John AND Gemma and their followers and you are then left with the 'smug young group' who want to exclude all the others because they're too cool for school.

No way can you win when faced with all these different scenarios of replacing one group with another.

He told her that 'They in the other room want her to leave'.

He didn't tell her that he instigated that by telling them all that she must go.

He prevented Christopher from genuinely trying to reintegrate Tiffany back into the group. He was quite brusque with Christopher and asked him if he was her bitch.
He went outside and again said that other people in the other room didn't want her to speak to them.

On all occasions John has worn a different face when talking to Tiffany directly and speaking to the rest of the house about Tiffany.
He will put on his Mr Reasonable and mature face when speaking to Tiffany, but then he puts his Robespierre face when in front of the rest of the house as he's conducting his reign of terror.

Of course things are changing a bit now due to recent events and he seems more tolerant of Tiffany now given the predicament he's found himself in. But I haven't forgotten what he has been like in there.

Gemma is not a bully, unnlike John

I wouldn't mistake having memory like a sieve being the same thing as logic.

Yes I agree that BOTS is a shower of shit. But lets not forget that John has acted very differently in the presence of Tiffany compared to how he has spoken about her to the rest of the house. VERY differently.

I'm not saying that you're wrong to support John if you think Gemma is worse, but I get the sense that some people's memories of events can change depending on what emotions are flying around out there.

It would be good if somebody can root this clip out and stick it up there and show it to those who think 'Queen' Gemma is the one to support for trying to oust 'King' John.