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Why are some of the pros beyond crticism on here, where as others are fair game?
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Sandy_Andrews
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Translation - "I am not interested in Jimmy and Flavia therefore no-one else is"”

I am very interested in both actually - Flavia because with Vincent I simply adored their dancing and Jimmy because he has been in some very good films.

But my interest is neither here nor there - the general public were not interested hence he got voted out of Strictly in week 6 even though Flavia was his partner.
No more proof needed.

Whoever chose to site Denise Van Outen above as an example of ducking media attention should check more thoroughly - she is constantly still in the tabloids - quite recently showing off her beach ready body on some beach with a new man !
David Tennant is a wonderful actor but not a teenage pin up and therefore does not get much tabloid interest.

If Peter Andre was to buy any form of plant life you can bet he would let the world know about it - he must win some sort of prize as one of the least talented people in history who is a master at self publicity.
Frankly if I see his name or that of his ex - and anyone whose surname begins with K - I avoid reading it !
This is what I suggest you do ladies, if you see either Georgia's or Giovanni's name in the tabloids on line in future just pass over it and don't read it.
Simples - although goodness knows what you will write about then as GG appear to have occupied your every thought for weeks - or is it now months ?
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I think the tabloids run stories on people who are prepared to let them.

There are far more celebs in the world than those who fill the Sidebar Of Shame and the like. David Tennant seems to manages to go shopping or take his kids to the park without a daily chronicle. Denise Van Outen was regularly photographed walking down the street/leaving work/having a cup of coffee/frolicking in the surf of various holiday destinations when in Strictly but has been absent from the papers for ages. It's not that she's not walking down the street now - just that she has nothing to promote and so doesn't need her name out there so much.

I don't actually think the press need to stalk people anymore. What would be the odds of a pap being at a garden centre when Peter Andre arrived to buy a tub of marigolds for example? Mostly, they are 'by arrangement' and anyway, with camera phones everyone is potentially a pap - and that before you get to zeleb so who make it easy for them by putting on a social media site to be mined.”

Spot on.

(Nothing quite says 'family man' like perusing the plants at a garden centre while the kids complain about being dragged along.)
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sandy_Andrews:
“Couldn't agree more about Jo Clifton.

I see you again point to Flavia as being the ultimate in controlling her SM presence.
This had not been the case with her earlier Strictly romances.

However, what you seem to not realise is that the press were just not that interested in Flavia and Jimmy's romance - had they been they would have stalked them and would have photographed them at every opportunity !
If the general public had shown an appetite for news of them as a couple the press would have fed that appetite - they want to sell newspapers and get masses of hits on line so they feature people who are popular or interesting to the public obviously, especially their younger readers who spend more time on line.

Although a lovely couple perhaps Jimmy and Flavia were just not exciting enough to generate much mass interest.
Jimmy although a fairly well known actor was not a heart throb and probably a little old to become one by the time he did Strictly - he had also been married for many years and had a daughter who is now 15.
But more to the point he was eliminated in week 6 of Strictly, so the audience had shown little interest and had not voted for them as a couple to keep them in the show.
Had they made the finals maybe the press would have been more interested in them don't you think ?”

I disagree actually, I think it could have been a bigger story if Jimi and Flavia had wanted it to. Flavia posted a wedding photo acknowledging the interest of fans but otherwise they've been very private. Perhaps Flavia had learnt lessons from past press coverage, perhaps they were being mindful of Jimi's daughter. I suspect they were mainly too busy being blissfully happy.

Jimi's a successful actor, Flavia an accomplished professional dancer. They clearly didn't want or need a tabloid circus to further their careers.

ETA At least we can agree about Jo if not her professional partner
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sandy_Andrews:
“I am very interested in both actually - Flavia because with Vincent I simply adored their dancing and Jimmy because he has been in some very good films.

But my interest is neither here nor there - the general public were not interested hence he got voted out of Strictly in week 6 even though Flavia was his partner.
No more proof needed.

Whoever chose to site Denise Van Outen above as an example of ducking media attention should check more thoroughly - she is constantly still in the tabloids - quite recently showing off her beach ready body on some beach with a new man !
David Tennant is a wonderful actor but not a teenage pin up and therefore does not get much tabloid interest.

If Peter Andre was to buy any form of plant life you can bet he would let the world know about it - he must win some sort of prize as one of the least talented people in history who is a master at self publicity.
Frankly if I see his name or that of his ex - and anyone whose surname begins with K - I avoid reading it !
This is what I suggest you do ladies, if you see either Georgia's or Giovanni's name in the tabloids on line in future just pass over it and don't read it.
Simples - although goodness knows what you will write about then as GG appear to have occupied your every thought for weeks - or is it now months ?”

Denise is in the tabloids when she wants to be, I'm sure she owns a kettle, maybe even a flask and can holiday in private if she chooses.

I'll pass over GG if they stop referencing a third party (currently continuing his career in SA I believe). I can't pass over the sidebar of shame though, what would I do otherwise read real news?! And as I'm interested in Jo Clifton's career and Giovanni's her current professional partner I am intrigued to know more about him as a dancer.

Back on topic, going to indulge in some Strictly nostalgia and watch some old pro dances from previous series later.
Dilly 1
11-03-2016
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Originally Posted by Sandy_Andrews:
“Couldn't agree more about Jo Clifton.

I see you again point to Flavia as being the ultimate in controlling her SM presence.
This had not been the case with her earlier Strictly romances.


However, what you seem to not realise is that the press were just not that interested in Flavia and Jimmy's romance - had they been they would have stalked them and would have photographed them at every opportunity !
If the general public had shown an appetite for news of them as a couple the press would have fed that appetite - they want to sell newspapers and get masses of hits on line so they feature people who are popular or interesting to the public obviously, especially their younger readers who spend more time on line.

Although a lovely couple perhaps Jimmy and Flavia were just not exciting enough to generate much mass interest.
Jimmy although a fairly well known actor was not a heart throb and probably a little old to become one by the time he did Strictly - he had also been married for many years and had a daughter who is now 15.
But more to the point he was eliminated in week 6 of Strictly, so the audience had shown little interest and had not voted for them as a couple to keep them in the show.
Had they made the finals maybe the press would have been more interested in them don't you think ?”

Not sure what you're referring to here because as far as I can remember Flavia & Matt gave no press interviews, had no magazine photo shoots, and were seen at a red carpet do on ONE occasion throughout their 3 year romance and no one could say the press weren't very interested in them because the were.

There was indeed various articles written ABOUT their romance but that was nothing that either Matt or Flavia contributed to so again it could be said that Flavia (and Matt) was very discrete.

She just doesn't really do don't selling stories or playing up to the press where her private life is concerned. There was one instance way back in the very beginning when she broke up with Vincent but since then I think maybe she realised that her private life wasn't really something that she wanted the press to intrude on. I'm intrigued as to where you are getting the impression that she's been anything other than this.
Lou_Black
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Denise is in the tabloids when she wants to be, I'm sure she owns a kettle, maybe even a flask and can holiday in private if she chooses.

I'll pass over GG if they stop referencing a third party (currently continuing his career in SA I believe). I can't pass over the sidebar of shame though, what would I do otherwise read real news?! And as I'm interested in Jo Clifton's career and Giovanni's her current professional partner I am intrigued to know more about him as a dancer.

Back on topic, going to indulge in some Strictly nostalgia and watch some old pro dances from previous series later.”


Totally agree. It's one thing to dump your partner and it's one thing to flaunt your new relationship for all its worth but it's quite another thing to leak reports to the press making horrible accusations.
claire_louise
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Totally agree. It's one thing to dump your partner and it's one thing to flaunt your new relationship for all its worth but it's quite another thing to leak reports to the press making horrible accusations.”

What if the accusations are true though? Does sean deserve to just get on with his life? Well maybe I am naive enough to think Georgia had nothing to do with it all getting out as well! But then we all have different views on these things!
MaggieMcGee
11-03-2016
I can foresee that at some point in the near future this thread will be locked by the forum mods because it degenerates into arguments of a personal nature without discussing the topic. One thread was locked because of domestic abuse arguments and this looks to be headed that way.
Lou_Black
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by claire_louise:
“What if the accusations are true though? Does sean deserve to just get on with his life? Well maybe I am naive enough to think Georgia had nothing to do with it all getting out as well! But then we all have different views on these things! ”


If the accusations are true then I would suggest going to the police rather than the Daily Mail.
claire_louise
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“I can foresee that at some point in the near future this thread will be locked by the forum mods because it degenerates into arguments of a personal nature without discussing the topic. One thread was locked because of domestic abuse arguments and this looks to be headed that way.”

I agree! This thread has somehow got a whole lot busier since that other thread was locked!

To add to the topic , if I don't like a pro I don't like them that's the end of it, I don't feel the need to constantly bash them! And I can also understand how many people aren't going to like the same pro (or celeb) as I do! That's life, it would be pretty dull if everyone liked everyone!
Lou_Black
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by claire_louise:
“I agree! This thread has somehow got a whole lot busier since that other thread was locked!

To add to the topic , if I don't like a pro I don't like them that's the end of it, I don't feel the need to constantly bash them! And I can also understand how many people aren't going to like the same pro (or celeb) as I do! That's life, it would be pretty dull if everyone liked everyone!”

Totally agree. I would add that if any thread is full of posts which annoy or upset me then I wouldn't read the thread.
claire_louise
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Totally agree. I would add that if any thread is full of posts which annoy or upset me then I wouldn't read the thread.”

I'm not annoyed or upset

As for the other point, I don't know why police weren't called, but considering all the supposed witnesses it could have made the press by any of them!
Ochre
11-03-2016
I've just read that Anton wants to come back this year. I love Anton but I must admit I'm a little surprised as I thought last series he was building up his run to the final with Katie to be his last. With all the other pro changes I'd be pleased to see him in the lineup, wish Erin would also return.
Ochre
11-03-2016
Duplicate post.
Christopher D
11-03-2016
Most Strictly romances are low key and the Georgia/Giovanni continues that trend.

The press are far more interested in Cheryl F wotist and her 1D toyboy or the Big brother pair.

The only one that isn't is Kristina /Ben partly due to the circumstances involved, baby ex wife and mother in law getting involved.
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Most Strictly romances are low key and the Georgia/Giovanni continues that trend.

The press are far more interested in Cheryl F wotist and her 1D toyboy or the Big brother pair.

The only one that isn't is Kristina /Ben partly due to the circumstances involved, baby ex wife and mother in law getting involved.”

GG low key

BIB And Kristina's decision to announce her pregnancy on CBB. I've said it before but I really wish she hadn't lowered herself to that! I guess the pay cheque was larger than what she'd earn for a whole series of Strictly but particularly with Ben already having children of school age old enough to hear things in the playground I find it hard not to judge her for it. She'll be a fantastic Mum though
Christopher D
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“GG low key

BIB And Kristina's decision to announce her pregnancy on CBB. I've said it before but I really wish she hadn't lowered herself to that! I guess the pay cheque was larger than what she'd earn for a whole series of Strictly but particularly with Ben already having children of school age old enough to hear things in the playground I find it hard not to judge her for it. She'll be a fantastic Mum though”

Yeah they are I think if you compare them to the two couples I mentioned, where are the TV interviews, Hello or OK interviews(even Kara and Artem did one of those)? Apart from the Social Media stuff which is not every day or always about each other. Personally I think that you judge them too harshly. I like Kristina (I don't dislike any pro or celeb I don' know any of them) and she has to do what she needs to do to provide for herself
Dilly 1
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Most Strictly romances are low key and the Georgia/Giovanni continues that trend.

The press are far more interested in Cheryl F wotist and her 1D toyboy or the Big brother pair.

The only one that isn't is Kristina /Ben partly due to the circumstances involved, baby ex wife and mother in law getting involved.”

I know some aren't SCD romances as such but most of the pros have at one time or another given their private lives/special days an airing in a magazine.

Of all the married pros who have been on SCD only Flavia didn't have a magazine deal on her wedding day.
If I remember correctly Aliona, Brendan, Erin, Vincent, Katya, Karen/Kevin all had their wedding photos/articles features in magazines which is fair enough as they might want to share some nice photos with their fans and make a few £££ at the same time, but Karen/Kevin went one step too far IMO by inviting Hello or OK mag along on their honeymoon!!!

There has been a few photoshoots with Janette and Aljaz too in magazines with one announcing their engagement and yes there was definitely Kara/Artem & Kristina/Joe interviews and photoshoots too.

Of all the pros who have had opportunities to cash in on their romances I could be wrong but only Flavia and perhaps Pasha haven't done this. Maybe in time GG will have a magazine deal in the pipeline but for now they're doing pretty well at keeping themselves in the limelight . (Again not that I think there's anything wrong with that, they are a nice couple and I wish them well )
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Yeah they are I think if you compare them to the two couples I mentioned, where are the TV interviews, Hello or OK interviews(even Kara and Artem did one of those)? Apart from the Social Media stuff which is not every day or always about each other. Personally I think that you judge them too harshly. I like Kristina (I don't dislike any pro or celeb I don' know any of them) and she has to do what she needs to do to provide for herself”

It's more complicated than picking up a pay cheque when there are children involved and the arrival of their half brother or sister is announced on a tacky reality tv show. However I discussed my admiration for Kristina as a teacher, choreographer and dancer earlier in the thread and I loved watching her pro dances with both Robin and Brian. She was always professional on the show and comes across as a warm, kind lady.
Christopher D
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dilly 1:
“I know some aren't SCD romances as such but most of the pros have at one time or another given their private lives/special days an airing in a magazine.

Of all the married pros who have been on SCD only Flavia didn't have a magazine deal on her wedding day.
If I remember correctly Aliona, Brendan, Erin, Vincent, Katya, Karen/Kevin all had their wedding photos/articles features in magazines which is fair enough as they might want to share some nice photos with their fans and make a few £££ at the same time, but Karen/Kevin went one step too far IMO by inviting Hello or OK mag along on their honeymoon!!!

There has been a few photoshoots with Janette and Aljaz too in magazines with one announcing their engagement and yes there was definitely Kara/Artem & Kristina/Joe interviews and photoshoots too.

Of all the pros who have had opportunities to cash in on their romances I could be wrong but only Flavia and perhaps Pasha haven't done this. Maybe in time GG will have a magazine deal in the pipeline but for now they're doing pretty well at keeping themselves in the limelight . (Again not that I think there's anything wrong with that, they are a nice couple and I wish them well )”

Hi Dilly I like Flavia and wish her well and herself and Jimi have to make the best decisions for them, and I respect them for not inviting Hello and OK to their wedding. No I don't think that Pasha and Rachel have done celeb magazines either although they have mentioned each other in interviews. Again their choice. But I disagree that Georgia and Giovanni are really doing anything out of the ordinary since being a couple attending one event that's about it isn't it?

Kevin and Karen inviting a Magazine to their Honeymoon wasn't aware of that
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Dilly 1:
“I know some aren't SCD romances as such but most of the pros have at one time or another given their private lives/special days an airing in a magazine.

Of all the married pros who have been on SCD only Flavia didn't have a magazine deal on her wedding day.
If I remember correctly Aliona, Brendan, Erin, Vincent, Katya, Karen/Kevin all had their wedding photos/articles features in magazines which is fair enough as they might want to share some nice photos with their fans and make a few £££ at the same time, but Karen/Kevin went one step too far IMO by inviting Hello or OK mag along on their honeymoon!!!

There has been a few photoshoots with Janette and Aljaz too in magazines with one announcing their engagement and yes there was definitely Kara/Artem & Kristina/Joe interviews and photoshoots too.

Of all the pros who have had opportunities to cash in on their romances I could be wrong but only Flavia and perhaps Pasha haven't done this. Maybe in time GG will have a magazine deal in the pipeline but for now they're doing pretty well at keeping themselves in the limelight . (Again not that I think there's anything wrong with that, they are a nice couple and I wish them well )”

BIB They what?! How romantic...
aggs
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“BIB They what?! How romantic...”

I imagine that was the Mark Wright effect
Christopher D
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“It's more complicated than picking up a pay cheque when there are children involved and the arrival of their half brother or sister is announced on a tacky reality tv show. However I discussed my admiration for Kristina as a teacher, choreographer and dancer earlier in the thread and I loved watching her pro dances with both Robin and Brian. She was always professional on the show and comes across as a warm, kind lady.”

Oh I agree I once sent her an email in her first couple of seasons of good luck and she sent a personal one back. I wish she had a more positive public profile.
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“I imagine that was the Mark Wright effect ”

The image I have in my head is all kinds of wrong Mind bleach needed
Ochre
11-03-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Oh I agree I once sent her an email in her first couple of seasons of good luck and she sent a personal one back. I wish she had a more positive public profile.”

Lovely that she replied to you personally
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