The Doctor once said "We know WHEN."
Did we ever hear HOW?
Did we ever hear HOW?
Exactly. ...HOW. ...did The Silence kidnap Amelia Pond?
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It must have been just after she found out she was pregnant.
Silence and Kovarian probably grabbed her from home and placed the "plastic" Amy there so everyone would think it was the "real" Amy.
Why did the Doctor wait so long to do anything ?.
He knew for weeks /months that something was wrong.
He should have at least told Rory. Rory was Amy's husband and the father of Melody/River.
If Amy had been pulled out of Demons Run earlier she could have given birth in a safe place keeping both her daughter and her fertility. Sadly it wasn't to be.
Silence and Kovarian probably grabbed her from home and placed the "plastic" Amy there so everyone would think it was the "real" Amy.
Why did the Doctor wait so long to do anything ?.
He knew for weeks /months that something was wrong.
He should have at least told Rory. Rory was Amy's husband and the father of Melody/River.
If Amy had been pulled out of Demons Run earlier she could have given birth in a safe place keeping both her daughter and her fertility. Sadly it wasn't to be.
I always assumed it was during the (unseen) three month period between The Impossible Astronaut and The Day of the Moon. This is simply because we didn't see Madame Kovarian until The Day of the Moon.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I always assumed it was during the (unseen) three month period between The Impossible Astronaut and The Day of the Moon. This is simply because we didn't see Madame Kovarian until The Day of the Moon.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.”
“I always assumed it was during the (unseen) three month period between The Impossible Astronaut and The Day of the Moon. This is simply because we didn't see Madame Kovarian until The Day of the Moon.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.”
Yer, that is when it had to happen
Originally Posted by Warjacket:
“The Doctor once said "We know WHEN."
Did we ever hear HOW?”
“The Doctor once said "We know WHEN."
Did we ever hear HOW?”
Doesn't really matter how. They could walk right in and take her away in front of Rory - he wouldn't know about it afterwards, and neither would any other bystander witnesses.
Originally Posted by wampa1:
“That whole storyline was total bobbins. A convoluted mess that I didn't care one bit for.”
“That whole storyline was total bobbins. A convoluted mess that I didn't care one bit for.”
That wasnt the question though was it?
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I always assumed it was during the (unseen) three month period between The Impossible Astronaut and The Day of the Moon. This is simply because we didn't see Madame Kovarian until The Day of the Moon.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.”
“I always assumed it was during the (unseen) three month period between The Impossible Astronaut and The Day of the Moon. This is simply because we didn't see Madame Kovarian until The Day of the Moon.
I assume with the technology at her disposal (and Amy basically under lock and key for most of that period) it would have been quite easy for Madame Kovarian to kidnap her.”
I would have said within that three months as well (or possibly even in TIA when she meets the Silent in the White House Bathroom) however the Doctor later says that it happened before Amy was in America.
So for us to be correct the Doctor must have been mistaken.
Thank you everyone so far for the speculation. The more I think about it, the more I too believe the WHEN must have been either right after the honeymoon or right after series six episode 1 (before series six episode 2).
As to the HOW. ...still puzzled. But you folks DO wisely point out that with their special "abilities" it probably wasn't very difficult for The Silence to snatch Amelia.
Maybe a better question is how SOON in season six did The Doctor realize that Amy. ...wasn't Amy?
Obviously before the Ganger two-parter..
As to the HOW. ...still puzzled. But you folks DO wisely point out that with their special "abilities" it probably wasn't very difficult for The Silence to snatch Amelia.
Maybe a better question is how SOON in season six did The Doctor realize that Amy. ...wasn't Amy?
Obviously before the Ganger two-parter..
He knew at the end of Day Of the Moon. He had secretly done a body scan which said she was both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time.
Next episode Curse Of the Black Spot he again checks the scan showing the same result and quietly says to himself "Oh Amelia" in a sad tone.
Start of Rebel Flesh he looks at the scan for the last time. Next in part 2 The Almost People he knows it is time for the truth to come out.
Telling Amy she has to breathe then push finally destroying "plastic" Amy so the "real" one can give birth.
Next episode Curse Of the Black Spot he again checks the scan showing the same result and quietly says to himself "Oh Amelia" in a sad tone.
Start of Rebel Flesh he looks at the scan for the last time. Next in part 2 The Almost People he knows it is time for the truth to come out.
Telling Amy she has to breathe then push finally destroying "plastic" Amy so the "real" one can give birth.
Originally Posted by Warjacket:
“Thank you everyone so far for the speculation. The more I think about it, the more I too believe the WHEN must have been either right after the honeymoon or right after series six episode 1 (before series six episode 2).
As to the HOW. ...still puzzled. But you folks DO wisely point out that with their special "abilities" it probably wasn't very difficult for The Silence to snatch Amelia.
Maybe a better question is how SOON in season six did The Doctor realize that Amy. ...wasn't Amy?
Obviously before the Ganger two-parter..”
“Thank you everyone so far for the speculation. The more I think about it, the more I too believe the WHEN must have been either right after the honeymoon or right after series six episode 1 (before series six episode 2).
As to the HOW. ...still puzzled. But you folks DO wisely point out that with their special "abilities" it probably wasn't very difficult for The Silence to snatch Amelia.
Maybe a better question is how SOON in season six did The Doctor realize that Amy. ...wasn't Amy?
Obviously before the Ganger two-parter..”
Forgive me if i am wrong, but at the end of the 2 parter, wasn't the Doctor checking if Amy if she was pregnant. At that time he figured out something was wrong, and then when Amy mentioned that she keeps seeing a face (if that was during the ganger episode forget about it) so the Doctor put 2 and 2 together, or the scan revealed that she was a clone.
So the timeline, before the Ganger two parter and after Curse of the Black Spot is when the Doctor figured it out.
I don't know.
My question is - how did the little girl in 1960s America regenerate into the child Mels in 1980s England?
My question is - how did the little girl in 1960s America regenerate into the child Mels in 1980s England?
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Forgive me if i am wrong, but at the end of the 2 parter, wasn't the Doctor checking if Amy if she was pregnant. At that time he figured out something was wrong, and then when Amy mentioned that she keeps seeing a face (if that was during the ganger episode forget about it) so the Doctor put 2 and 2 together, or the scan revealed that she was a clone.
So the timeline, before the Ganger two parter and after Curse of the Black Spot is when the Doctor figured it out.”
“Forgive me if i am wrong, but at the end of the 2 parter, wasn't the Doctor checking if Amy if she was pregnant. At that time he figured out something was wrong, and then when Amy mentioned that she keeps seeing a face (if that was during the ganger episode forget about it) so the Doctor put 2 and 2 together, or the scan revealed that she was a clone.
So the timeline, before the Ganger two parter and after Curse of the Black Spot is when the Doctor figured it out.”
That sounds about right to me. I know it's not very popular generally, but it's why I find the Ganger story so interesting. The Doctor is following a theory and is quite manipulative in that story. The scene where he turns on 'Amy' and is therefore assumed to be a Ganger is electric. Obviously he's not quite himself at the time, but his fury is understandable as he knows that the real Amy is in danger. I remember at the time that there was criticism of the Doctor's actions at the end but, really, what else could he do to sever the link so he could 'free' then find his friend?
Smith is on fire in those episodes. Some of his finest work in the part for me. By turns delightful, funny, manipulative and dark.
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“That sounds about right to me. I know it's not very popular generally, but it's why I find the Ganger story so interesting. The Doctor is following a theory and is quite manipulative in that story. The scene where he turns on 'Amy' and is therefore assumed to be a Ganger is electric. Obviously he's not quite himself at the time, but his fury is understandable as he knows that the real Amy is in danger. I remember at the time that there was criticism of the Doctor's actions at the end but, really, what else could he do to sever the link so he could 'free' then find his friend?
Smith is on fire in those episodes. Some of his finest work in the part for me. By turns delightful, funny, manipulative and dark.”
“That sounds about right to me. I know it's not very popular generally, but it's why I find the Ganger story so interesting. The Doctor is following a theory and is quite manipulative in that story. The scene where he turns on 'Amy' and is therefore assumed to be a Ganger is electric. Obviously he's not quite himself at the time, but his fury is understandable as he knows that the real Amy is in danger. I remember at the time that there was criticism of the Doctor's actions at the end but, really, what else could he do to sever the link so he could 'free' then find his friend?
Smith is on fire in those episodes. Some of his finest work in the part for me. By turns delightful, funny, manipulative and dark.”
The Ganger story definitely has the 7th Doctor written all over him, manipulating everyone to reach the end goal. I don't think it is the great story, but that was definitely one great aspect of it.
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I don't know.
My question is - how did the little girl in 1960s America regenerate into the child Mels in 1980s England?”
“I don't know.
My question is - how did the little girl in 1960s America regenerate into the child Mels in 1980s England?”
It would've actually been 1990s England (Amy is in her early 20s in 2008 - they were at school in the 90s and early 2000s). And clearly she time travelled.
Couldn't tell you which episode it was for sure, but to Doctor definitely said at one point she was taken 'before America' which means it would have been before the events of 'The impossible Astronaut'
Originally Posted by JAS84:
“It would've actually been 1990s England (Amy is in her early 20s in 2008 - they were at school in the 90s and early 2000s). And clearly she time travelled.”
“It would've actually been 1990s England (Amy is in her early 20s in 2008 - they were at school in the 90s and early 2000s). And clearly she time travelled.”
How did she time travel? She would have been a young child at the time (weren't she and Amy at primary school together?) and completely alone. What help did she have to time travel and travel to England?
It's almost like she was just shoved in at the last minute because the writer had forgotten he had to deal with the regeneration somehow. And he thought we'd forget it was a different time and a different continent. Looks like he was right. Lucky he's so brilliant, isn't it?
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“How did she time travel? She would have been a young child at the time (weren't she and Amy at primary school together?) and completely alone. What help did she have to time travel and travel to England?
It's almost like she was just shoved in at the last minute because the writer had forgotten he had to deal with the regeneration somehow. And he thought we'd forget it was a different time and a different continent. Looks like he was right. Lucky he's so brilliant, isn't it?”
“How did she time travel? She would have been a young child at the time (weren't she and Amy at primary school together?) and completely alone. What help did she have to time travel and travel to England?
It's almost like she was just shoved in at the last minute because the writer had forgotten he had to deal with the regeneration somehow. And he thought we'd forget it was a different time and a different continent. Looks like he was right. Lucky he's so brilliant, isn't it?”
I thought that would have been easy to explain to be honest - I assumed that it would be explained that the Doctor, realizing that this was the way for Amy and Rory to 'raise' Mels, took the presumably young black regeneration of Mels from New York to England and pulled the right strings to put her in place. Instead we got a line from Mels that 'she took so long to find them'.
Presumably that means that the regeneration from New York lived long enough to get herself in the right place and time to regenerate again as a young child and somehow pull the strings beforehand to ensure she'd grow up near Rory and Amy.
Re: Amy being abducted - gareth1408 is definitely correct - the Doctor said explicitly that Amy was taken before America. I would guess he did this in AGMGTW, when Rory asked all of his questions!
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“How did she time travel? She would have been a young child at the time (weren't she and Amy at primary school together?) and completely alone. What help did she have to time travel and travel to England?
It's almost like she was just shoved in at the last minute because the writer had forgotten he had to deal with the regeneration somehow. And he thought we'd forget it was a different time and a different continent. Looks like he was right. Lucky he's so brilliant, isn't it?”
“How did she time travel? She would have been a young child at the time (weren't she and Amy at primary school together?) and completely alone. What help did she have to time travel and travel to England?
It's almost like she was just shoved in at the last minute because the writer had forgotten he had to deal with the regeneration somehow. And he thought we'd forget it was a different time and a different continent. Looks like he was right. Lucky he's so brilliant, isn't it?”
An unseen, perhaps faulty, regeneration? Perhaps the older "Angelled"-back-in-time Amy and Rory sought her out and made sure she got to England to become Mel? Perhaps Kovarian and Co. made sure she went to England and became Mel?
But you're right - it's an unanswered question.
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