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Linda Perry says: "Gaga didn't write "Till It Happens To You".
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BasilRathbon
20-01-2016
It's fairly common in pop music for singers to be given a writing credit for a song they had nothing to do with. I think the logic is that being able to write or co-write a song implies the singer is a serious artist and not some air-headed bimbo who would have trouble writing her own name without her manager's help.
Jeannie_Wilson
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“Well said.”

Another point i'd like to make is why isn't she being criticised for being a hypocrite? She's been speaking out about this horrible crime for quite some time but it wasn't that long ago when she worked with known sexual predators like Terry Richardson and R.Kelly (Who's been accused of rape on multiple occasions) ?

Why would she work with these people knowing the controversy surrounding them? (especially after telling the world she'd been raped herself). I don't get it.
SummerHeart
20-01-2016
I'm very far from even being a Lady Gaga fan, but hell, I'd rather give her the benefit of the doubt since Diane Warren, the co-writer of the song, has actually recognized Gaga's input.

Apparently Madonna tried to change several words during the recording of You Must Love Me but was put in her place by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice, the writers of the song. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. She's changed one or two words to songs in the past so she can get a credit on them, people who have worked with her have confirmed this. Maybe she tried to change a few words during the recording of Sooner or Later, maybe Stephen Sondheim saw straight through her and told her to take a seat.

Madonna has won two Golden Globes out of seven nominations, but none of them have led to Oscar nominations. Masterpiece and Beautiful Stranger weren't eligible for Best Original Song nominations, but Who's That Girl, I'll Remember, This Used to Be My Playground and Die Another Day were. I'm pretty sure hell will have to freeze over before the Academy nominates Madonna.

A lot of bitter Madonna fans are going in on Lady Gaga over this controversy, but let's face it, they would dismiss this if it was happening to Madonna. It reminds me of the time when Madonna fans criticised Lady Gaga for the amount of songwriter and producer credits on Artpop even though Madonna's last three albums are full of songs written and produced by half a dozen different people. Madonna hasn't written a song by herself since the the long-forgotten Gambler in the mid-1980s.

It's a bit rich of Madonna fans to criticise another artist for something Madonna has done for 30 years. She clearly can't write a decent song by herself and is clever enough to change a few words to get a credit on her hits. When Madonna releases a song that's been written and produced by half a dozen people her fans have every excuse under the sun as to why there are so many people credited but dismiss the same excuses if a fan of another singer uses them. What's the saying? Oh yeah, don't throw stones in glass houses.

According to Madonna fans she writes all the lyrics and the other people, including world-renowned songwriters, don't have any input and are credited for other reasons. She didn't accept the Golden Globe Award in 2012 on her own, the other two songwriters were on stage with her. In fact, she shares all of her GG nominations for Best Original Song with the other people who wrote the songs with her. Her fans really need to get over themselves. The only reason Madonna has a career is because of luck and the talent of other people. Come back to me when Madonna actually writes and produces an album by herself and proves that she's the musical genius her fans claim she is. It's not like she sits down and writes her hits by herself. 99.9% of her back catalogue exists because of the other people involved.

Originally Posted by Theo Rose:
“Yep if producers also won then Madonna would have won an Oscar for 1991's Sooner Or Later which won but due to Madonna only being credited as a producer and not a writer the gong went to the single writer of the track, Stephen Sondheim.

Here is her epic performance on the night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzVV6rrY0Ow

Madonna must be kicking herself now, Like Gaga she should have swapped one word for another and bagged herself an Oscar

However I admire Madonna greatly for letting the guy who wrote the track claim the award for his work. She was the most famous woman in the world at this point in her career, It could have been very easy for her to get given a writing credit but she didn't, she was content to just being the songs producer. I admire Madonna's honesty.”

Along with Bill Bottrell. Madonna has never produced a song by herself.

I don't understand how anyone can call that performance epic, it's amateur and reminds me of a high school production. Man, her voice is weak and unspectacular.
Rae_Amury
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“I'm very far from even being a Lady Gaga fan, but hell, I'd rather give her the benefit of the doubt since Diane Warren, the co-writer of the song, has actually recognized Gaga's input.

Apparently Madonna tried to change several words during the recording of You Must Love Me but was put in her place by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice, the writers of the song. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. She's changed one or two words to songs in the past so she can get a credit on them, people who have worked with her have confirmed this. Maybe she tried to change a few words during the recording of Sooner or Later, maybe Stephen Sondheim saw straight through her and told her to take a seat.

Madonna has won two Golden Globes out of seven nominations, but none of them have led to Oscar nominations. Masterpiece and Beautiful Stranger weren't eligible for Best Original Song nominations, but Who's That Girl, I'll Remember, This Used to Be My Playground and Die Another Day were. I'm pretty sure hell will have to freeze over before the Academy nominates Madonna.

A lot of bitter Madonna fans are going in on Lady Gaga over this controversy, but let's face it, they would dismiss this if it was happening to Madonna. It reminds me of the time when Madonna fans criticised Lady Gaga for the amount of songwriter and producer credits on Artpop even though Madonna's last three albums are full of songs written and produced by half a dozen different people. Madonna hasn't written a song by herself since the the long-forgotten Gambler in the mid-1980s.

It's a bit rich of Madonna fans to criticise another artist for something Madonna has done for 30 years. She clearly can't write a decent song by herself and is clever enough to change a few words to get a credit on her hits. When Madonna releases a song that's been written and produced by half a dozen people her fans have every excuse under the sun as to why there are so many people credited but dismiss the same excuses if a fan of another singer uses them. What's the saying? Oh yeah, don't throw stones in glass houses.

According to Madonna fans she writes all the lyrics and the other people, including world-renowned songwriters, don't have any input and are credited for other reasons. She didn't accept the Golden Globe Award in 2012 on her own, the other two songwriters were on stage with her. In fact, she shares all of her GG nominations for Best Original Song with the other people who wrote the songs with her. Her fans really need to get over themselves. The only reason Madonna has a career is because of luck and the talent of other people. Come back to me when Madonna actually writes and produces an album by herself and proves that she's the musical genius her fans claim she is. It's not like she sits down and writes her hits by herself. 99.9% of her back catalogue exists because of the other people involved.



Along with Bill Bottrell. Madonna has never produced a song by herself.

I don't understand how anyone can call that performance epic, it's amateur and reminds me of a high school production. Man, her voice is weak and unspectacular.”

For someone who claims to not be a Gaga fan, you are braging about her too often. But yeah, you certainly aren't as big of a Gaga fan as you are a devoted Madonna hater, right?

Madonna has proved to be a great songwriter many times. She is the best when she focuses on working with one person on one concept, what she did not with her last three albums and thats why they aren't good. Not like you can acknowledge that, you are too busy hating on her, so I won't distract you from that any longer
Theo Rose
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Rae_Amury:
“For someone who claims to not be a Gaga fan, you are braging about her too often. But yeah, you certainly aren't as big of a Gaga fan as you are a devoted Madonna hater, right?

Madonna has proved to be a great songwriter many times. She is the best when she focuses on working with one person on one concept, what she did not with her last three albums and thats why they aren't good. Not like you can acknowledge that, you are too busy hating on her, so I won't distract you from that any longer ”

I always love reading his essay long posts. Its the same thing in every one of them under the many different accounts he uses. He always claims Madonna fans are bitter haters but I've never read as much bitter hate in any posts as I do the one's he makes about Madonna and her fans.

Its just a shame all the facts he posts are so wrong. Not one true fact in any of it. Just like last weeks posts about Bowie hating Madonna which we proved were made up. Every word of what he posts is the biased views of someone who hates Madonna's fans and has a deep unhealthy obsession with the lady herself.

And yeah for someone who isn't a Gaga fan he certainly spends all his time on this forum making indepth posts about her, when he isn't making all those Anti Madonna posts under the several hundred accounts he also uses. Maybe I will post the long list later. Spacecake was one of them

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...440&highlight=
Skylights
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Theo Rose:
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However I admire Madonna greatly for letting the guy who wrote the track claim the award for his work
. She was the most famous woman in the world at this point in her career, It could have been very easy for her to get given a writing credit but she didn't, she was content to just being the songs producer. I admire Madonna's honesty.”

Why do you admire her? She didn't do it out of kindness. The award rightfully went to Stephen Sondheim, the guy who wrote Sooner or Later, Madonna certainly never let him have it, she didn't even write the song. Talk about delusional....

Let's be honest here, Madonna fans only have a problem with this because it's Lady Gaga. If Madonna had changed a few words of a song and got Oscar nominated for it, they wouldn't care, they certainly wouldn't be criticising her for it. You all need to get over the fact that Gaga has been Oscar nominated and Madonna never has been despite previous songs being eligible. Even if Lady Gaga only changed a few words she still added something to the song, it's not like Madonna and countless other pop stars haven't done the same thing.
Jeannie_Wilson
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“I'm very far from even being a Lady Gaga fan, but hell, I'd rather give her the benefit of the doubt since Diane Warren, the co-writer of the song, has actually recognized Gaga's input.”

Nile Rogers, William Orbit, Diplo and Pat Leonard have also given praise to Madonna on how much input she has in the recording process. Why is it ok for you to give Diane Warren the benefit of the doubt and not credible people like the one's listed above? Oh that's right, because you have a grudge against Madonna.

Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“Apparently Madonna tried to change several words during the recording of You Must Love Me but was put in her place by Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice, the writers of the song. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened. She's changed one or two words to songs in the past so she can get a credit on them, people who have worked with her have confirmed this. Maybe she tried to change a few words during the recording of Sooner or Later, maybe Stephen Sondheim saw straight through her and told her to take a seat.”

I very much doubt Madonna would try to change the words of a well-known musical in order to get a writing credit. Sir Tim Rice has given several interviews on Madonna's role in Evita and he was extremely complimentary. Unfortunately for you there is no mention of Madonna’s attempts to change the words in the Evita tracks, in his interviews or anywhere else. Another fabrication? The first word in that paragraph said it all. I could also say the same about other acts. Kylie apparently did this, Britney apparently did that. Maybe this, maybe that.

Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“Madonna has won two Golden Globes out of seven nominations, but none of them have led to Oscar nominations. Masterpiece and Beautiful Stranger weren't eligible for Best Original Song nominations, but Who's That Girl, I'll Remember, This Used to Be My Playground and Die Another Day were. I'm pretty sure hell will have to freeze over before the Academy nominates Madonna.”

The reason why Masterpiece and Beautiful Stranger wern’t eligible is because neither of them were the first music cue in the closing credits. If those songs were the first in the closing credits they would have been eligible. Screwball comedy movies like Who’s That Girl are very seldom recognized. The Academy prefer Serious dramas or social-problem films with weighty inspirational themes or glossy, large-scale epic historical productions with big budgets. Except for Masterpiece and the Evita tracks, I don’t think any of her music from the films you've mentioned fall in that category. There’s also a host of big named artists who have never won an Oscar too, so that doesn't mean a thing.

Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“A lot of bitter Madonna fans are going in on Lady Gaga over this controversy, but let's face it, they would dismiss this if it was happening to Madonna. It reminds me of the time when Madonna fans criticised Lady Gaga for the amount of songwriter and producer credits on Artpop even though Madonna's last three albums are full of songs written and produced by half a dozen different people. Madonna hasn't written a song by herself since the the long-forgotten Gambler in the mid-1980s.”

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Madonna’s fans. From what I’ve been reading, it seems a lot of people aren’t to happy over this controversy surrounding Lady Gaga. It’s not just Madonna’s fans, its fans of other artists too.

Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“It's a bit rich of Madonna fans to criticise another artist for something Madonna has done for 30 years. She clearly can't write a decent song by herself and is clever enough to change a few words to get a credit on her hits. When Madonna releases a song that's been written and produced by half a dozen people her fans have every excuse under the sun as to why there are so many people credited but dismiss the same excuses if a fan of another singer uses them. What's the saying? Oh yeah, don't throw stones in glass houses.”

The truth is (like other artists) nobody (other than the people she works with) knows how much she contributes to the music. What they have said is they are surprised by her hands on approach to the creative process. Each one has said she is a genius at coming up with lyrics and melodies and couldn't give her enough praise. I’d rather believe those people than the ones who are fuelled by hatred and have no idea what they’re talking about.

Originally Posted by SummerHeart:
“According to Madonna fans she writes all the lyrics and the other people, including world-renowned songwriters, don't have any input and are credited for other reasons. She didn't accept the Golden Globe Award in 2012 on her own, the other two songwriters were on stage with her. In fact, she shares all of her GG nominations for Best Original Song with the other people who wrote the songs with her. Her fans really need to get over themselves. The only reason Madonna has a career is because of luck and the talent of other people. Come back to me when Madonna actually writes and produces an album by herself and proves that she's the musical genius her fans claim she is. It's not like she sits down and writes her hits by herself. 99.9% of her back catalogue exists because of the other people involved.”

So once again this is just another very bitter hate filled post with no real facts. Just pure speculation and nothing more. I’m a huge Madonna fan and have frequented quite a few fan sites over the years and not one of her fans have been stupid enough to say she’s written all the songs by herself. If they did we wouldn’t hear them talk about Pat Leonard or William Orbit so much. Madonna’s success is down to talent, hard work and determination - not luck. There are hundreds of interviews on youtube where people have clarified this, but I guess you wouldn’t want to watch them and see people talk positively about Madonna, would you? - Just like Skylights (above)
Jeannie_Wilson
20-01-2016
Sorry guys, made a mistake in the first paragraph and couldn't edit. It was meant to say:

"Nile Rogers, William Orbit, Diplo and Pat Leonard have also given praise to Madonna on how much input she has in the recording process. Why is it ok for you to take Diane's words as gospel and give Gaga the benefit of the doubt and not Madonna?
Boobob
20-01-2016
Jeez is this troll for real

Madonna writes not only lyrics but melodies too, Pat Leonard in an interview says Madonna came up with the melody bridge for Live to tell, Shep said Madonna kept coming up with melodies for songs on the Erotica album (read the Shep sessions). David Foster said Madonna hummed the melody for 'you'll see and he replayed it on piano etc...

There are many credible interviews from her co-writers regarding her songwriting, so sick of lies that are spread about her ability, especially from people with a clear hate agenda.

This thread was about Gaga potentially receiving an award for a song she didn't write but instead it has been invaded by a Madonna hater (who is clearly a Gaga fan) trying to demean another singer to justify said singer winning an award under false pretences..
Jeannie_Wilson
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Boobob:
“Jeez is this troll for real

Madonna writes not only lyrics but melodies too, Pat Leonard in an interview says Madonna came up with the melody bridge for Live to tell, Shep said Madonna kept coming up with melodies for songs on the Erotica album (read the Shep sessions). David Foster said Madonna hummed the melody for 'you'll see and he replayed it on piano etc...

There are many credible interviews from her co-writers regarding her songwriting, so sick of lies that are spread about her ability, especially from people with a clear hate agenda.

This thread was about Gaga potentially receiving an award for a song she didn't write but instead it has been invaded by a Madonna hater (who is clearly a Gaga fan) trying to demean another singer to justify said singer winning an award under false pretences..”

That's right. There's lots of information around. Shep also said this about "Deeper & Deeper".

"Madonna always had a problem with “Deeper & Deeper.” They tried different bridges and changes but nothing worked. In the end, Madonna wanted a flamenco guitar in the middle of the song – a decision Shep did not like as he felt the tune should stay “a Philly house song.” (The Erotica Diaries, Shep Pettibone)

Thank God she stuck to her guns. "D&D" wouldn't sound as great without the flamenco guitar.
Theo Rose
21-01-2016
Originally Posted by Boobob:
“Jeez is this troll for real

Madonna writes not only lyrics but melodies too, Pat Leonard in an interview says Madonna came up with the melody bridge for Live to tell, Shep said Madonna kept coming up with melodies for songs on the Erotica album (read the Shep sessions). David Foster said Madonna hummed the melody for 'you'll see and he replayed it on piano etc...

There are many credible interviews from her co-writers regarding her songwriting, so sick of lies that are spread about her ability, especially from people with a clear hate agenda.

This thread was about Gaga potentially receiving an award for a song she didn't write but instead it has been invaded by a Madonna hater (who is clearly a Gaga fan) trying to demean another singer to justify said singer winning an award under false pretences..”

Report him. let the mods deal with all his multiple accounts. he is using hundreds. its clear to everyone what is going on here.
Theo Rose
24-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jeannie_Wilson:
“That's right. There's lots of information around. Shep also said this about "Deeper & Deeper".

"Madonna always had a problem with “Deeper & Deeper.” They tried different bridges and changes but nothing worked. In the end, Madonna wanted a flamenco guitar in the middle of the song – a decision Shep did not like as he felt the tune should stay “a Philly house song.” (The Erotica Diaries, Shep Pettibone)

Thank God she stuck to her guns. "D&D" wouldn't sound as great without the flamenco guitar.”

I couldn't ever imagine D&D without the flamenco in it! Madonna called it right.
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