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Thorney
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“completely agree ... ”


So do I but move onto what , if it deviates to far from the template it just becomes another genre. We have had indie rock , indie dance, indie folk , indie pop what next indie rnb ? Well yes possibly that is what we have a bit of right now.
mialicious
19-01-2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9rDkzQurI
mrkite77
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by ohglobbits:
“I'm sorry but I don't feel indie has moved on at all in the space of ten, twenty years. You had the same girls on guitar or trendy boy girl combo or house music all somewhat harking back to the 80's.”

Depends on how you define indie I suppose.

Here's some indie music that I don't think sounds like anything from the 80s:

Mr Gnome - Vampires

Elsiane - Mend

On the other hand, I listen to a lot of *current* music that sounds exactly like the 80s (on purpose):

Tesla Boy - Spirit of the Night

FM Attack - Magic

Lazerhawk - King of the Streets
Doghouse Riley
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by RikScot:
“I'm 50...so kinda old...I used to be a lot more bothered by 'new' music that I saw as "not as good as what went before". Nowadays it bothers me less and less as I don't really come across it very often, and if I do I can always remind myself it's not meant for me and look elsewhere ”


This is true.

It always amuses me that some young people believe what they've heard recently is particularly innovative or groundbreaking, when often it's just a variation of what we've heard many times before.

It's not applicable in every case by far, but there's not a lot you can do with any "new" tune if you start with a chord sequence first, the variations of notes within those few chords, have all pretty much been used before.
ItsNick
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“Speaking as an "oldie", I agree, as you get older for many their musical taste do get entrenched and they are less open to new music..”

I don't think it's just about the older you get the less modern music you like.
When I was about 10 my Dad bought me a little radio and it was literally glued to my ear. This was round about 1984. I started listening to the chart every sunday afternoon on Radio 1 when Richard Skinner and Bruno Brookes did it and I loved it. As we got to the end of the 80s I remember I was getting less and less enjoyment listening to it. I just found myself not liking the direction music was going. I totally went of most chart music round about 1990 when I was 16.
One day I was round my mates house and his Mum had a Duran Duran album and for some reason my mate put it on and I remember thinking God this music is so much better than anything around now. It just seemed to me to have a better tune and sound to it. So I started trying to find other music around at that time by listening to Pick of the Pops on sundays and started discovering all these bands that I wasn't quite old enough to remember like Adam and The Ants, Gary Numan, The Specials, early Depeche Mode, Spandau, The Jam, Human League. This music was "new" to me and every time Alan Freeman would do an early 80s or late 70s year on Pick of the pops I was there. Volume up. I also used to think at the same time what the hell has happened to chart music. It's all this House and Acid crap followed by all that Madchaster crap.
Deeps_3
19-01-2016
Here's a new single from a girl i played with live a couple of weeks ago, great voice!
https://soundcloud.com/whesli-fire-starter/divorce
crease
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Well, there's the difference.

I never worry about how many are interested in any opinion expressed on here.”

Doghouse Riley
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I don't think it's just about the older you get the less modern music you like.
When I was about 10 my Dad bought me a little radio and it was literally glued to my ear. This was round about 1984. I started listening to the chart every sunday afternoon on Radio 1 when Richard Skinner and Bruno Brookes did it and I loved it. As we got to the end of the 80s I remember I was getting less and less enjoyment listening to it. I just found myself not liking the direction music was going. I totally went of most chart music round about 1990 when I was 16.
One day I was round my mates house and his Mum had a Duran Duran album and for some reason my mate put it on and I remember thinking God this music is so much better than anything around now. It just seemed to me to have a better tune and sound to it. So I started trying to find other music around at that time by listening to Pick of the Pops on sundays and started discovering all these bands that I wasn't quite old enough to remember like Adam and The Ants, Gary Numan, The Specials, early Depeche Mode, Spandau, The Jam, Human League. This music was "new" to me and every time Alan Freeman would do an early 80s or late 70s year on Pick of the pops I was there. Volume up. I also used to think at the same time what the hell has happened to chart music. It's all this House and Acid crap followed by all that Madchaster crap.”


Re BIB.
I quite like Duran Duran.

Some music is timeless, like this which was recorded in 1958.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2xx3YTu2ac
Peter the Great
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I don't think it's just about the older you get the less modern music you like.
When I was about 10 my Dad bought me a little radio and it was literally glued to my ear. This was round about 1984. I started listening to the chart every sunday afternoon on Radio 1 when Richard Skinner and Bruno Brookes did it and I loved it. As we got to the end of the 80s I remember I was getting less and less enjoyment listening to it. I just found myself not liking the direction music was going. I totally went of most chart music round about 1990 when I was 16.
One day I was round my mates house and his Mum had a Duran Duran album and for some reason my mate put it on and I remember thinking God this music is so much better than anything around now. It just seemed to me to have a better tune and sound to it. So I started trying to find other music around at that time by listening to Pick of the Pops on sundays and started discovering all these bands that I wasn't quite old enough to remember like Adam and The Ants, Gary Numan, The Specials, early Depeche Mode, Spandau, The Jam, Human League. This music was "new" to me and every time Alan Freeman would do an early 80s or late 70s year on Pick of the pops I was there. Volume up. I also used to think at the same time what the hell has happened to chart music. It's all this House and Acid crap followed by all that Madchaster crap.”

Sorry but if you think Duran Duran is better than anything now you haven't heard much from now. And why do you have to just stick with what is in the charts? In the late 80's Richard Skinner who you mention had a late night music show where you could hear decent new music. Just like there are many ways to hear good new music now.
Blondie X
19-01-2016
I'm 46 this year and listen to a lot of new music. The difference is for me that I know exactly what genres I like and that's the music I seek out. For me, if I haven't in my 4o odd years on the planet heard a country or a heavy rock track that I like, why would I bother seeking out anything along those lines?

I know what music I've loved over the years and it's quite a narrow range and so I target my seeking out to specific genres
mgvsmith
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“Depends on how you define indie I suppose.

Here's some indie music that I don't think sounds like anything from the 80s:

Mr Gnome - Vampires

Elsiane - Mend
...”

As the comments suggest...Portishead meets Bjork...hardly original but actually very pleasant.
mgvsmith
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“I'm 46 this year and listen to a lot of new music. The difference is for me that I know exactly what genres I like and that's the music I seek out. For me, if I haven't in my 4o odd years on the planet heard a country or a heavy rock track that I like, why would I bother seeking out anything along those lines?

I know what music I've loved over the years and it's quite a narrow range and so I target my seeking out to specific genres”

I'm 58 this year, so I'm definitely in the 'oldie' category.

Most people's tastes are actually formed by their mid-20s and don't change all that much afterwards. Luckily there is a lot of genre or genre related music that goes on being produced for many years. As an earlier poster suggested, there is plenty of metal music still to explore.

As I said to the main poster elsewhere, music is the perfect expression of modern capitalism with its endless choice of 'new' music much of it cut up and repackaged from the past. It's a bit like porn, all tastes are catered for you only have to look around a bit.
mgvsmith
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Re BIB.
I quite like Duran Duran.

Some music is timeless, like this which was recorded in 1958.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2xx3YTu2ac”

Is that not high cultural jazz music as opposed to low cultural pop music?
Doghouse Riley
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“Is that not high cultural jazz music as opposed to low cultural pop music?”

It may be, but liking one doesn't necessarily exclude the other.
If it did it would be an example of "pigeonholed" musical taste.
mrkite77
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“As the comments suggest...Portishead meets Bjork...hardly original but actually very pleasant.”

Neither Portishead nor Bjork do overtone singing, which is a key feature of Elsiane. I'd say the comparisons with Bjork are purely superficial, not going further than "bjork sounds weird, and so does this!"

(Joanna Newsom gets the Bjork comparisons too.. they sound nothing alike)
mgvsmith
19-01-2016
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“It may be, but liking one doesn't necessarily exclude the other.
If it did it would be an example of "pigeonholed" musical taste.”

I think the challenge for those who like pop music is the need to show that some of it is 'timeless' in the same way as jazz music can be. So those who harp on about all this 'new' music need to step back and accept that there is a canon of pop music from the past which should be appreciated as valuable.

Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“Neither Portishead nor Bjork do overtone singing, which is a key feature of Elsiane. I'd say the comparisons with Bjork are purely superficial, not going further than "bjork sounds weird, and so does this!"

(Joanna Newsom gets the Bjork comparisons too.. they sound nothing alike)”

The musicology apart the music sounds much like Portishead...and overtone singing has a long history. Because something sounds similar doesn't make it poor. Don't be so defensive...
Smudged
20-01-2016
I've seen threads like this dozens of times and I can tell you that most "oldies" who complain about current music will harp on about originality when in truth, that's not really want they're looking for (if you ask about the music in recent years they have liked, it's usually something average and unoriginal). They just want music that's to their specific taste which is why threads like this don't really work. I do have some sympathy as I know how difficult it can be to find good new music you like but I also think some people's attitude is too negative. You need to be positive and want to find something new to like.
ItsNick
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“Sorry but if you think Duran Duran is better than anything now you haven't heard much from now. And why do you have to just stick with what is in the charts? In the late 80's Richard Skinner who you mention had a late night music show where you could hear decent new music. Just like there are many ways to hear good new music now.”

Because to be quite honest with you most chart music certainly of the70s and 80s was a lot better than most music that didn't get in the chart and the sort of music Peel played. I know that will get everyone's backs up but I remember listening to John Peel a few times and I remember thinking God this music is rubbish compared to what they play in the day.
Just remember this:
What is chart music. It's music that sells the most. A lot of records Peel played were never played during the day and the reason why is because most people would have thought they were rubbish. That's why they never sold as much because they weren't particularly pleasing on the ear to the average listener.
Thorney
20-01-2016
That's the difference in the 70s, 80s and I would also say mid 00s, the best music hit into the charts . In the 90s there was good music in the charts but absolutely loads of great stuff that didn't , now very little good music gets in the charts but it's much harder to find the best alternatives , that's why a thread like this can work,

The old promotion term was to throw any old shit at the charts and see what sticks , now they pick one or two and polish them until everyone knows about them then they throw it , if you want to find anything else it's not going to be on the wall now it could be anywhere .

So I will keeps adding new music to the thread some won't like it but if anybody likes anything that's an achievement , Gonna get a few brand new songs for you later

Also just because I love new music doesn't mean I ignore the past I have Spotify and YouTube playlists with hundreds of 70s-00s songs and I listen to 80s almost as much as current stuff
Peter the Great
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“Because to be quite honest with you most chart music certainly of the70s and 80s was a lot better than most music that didn't get in the chart and the sort of music Peel played. I know that will get everyone's backs up but I remember listening to John Peel a few times and I remember thinking God this music is rubbish compared to what they play in the day.
Just remember this:
What is chart music. It's music that sells the most. A lot of records Peel played were never played during the day and the reason why is because most people would have thought they were rubbish. That's why they never sold as much because they weren't particularly pleasing on the ear to the average listener.”

No it wasn't. And John Peel wasn't the only source for non chart music. Richard Skinner, Bob Harris and Roger Scott played alot of good non mainstream music. Even some daytime presenters on Radio 1 got behind alot of artists that never charted. Popular doesn't equal better and that was true in the past as well.
Peter the Great
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Thorney:
“That's the difference in the 70s, 80s and I would also say mid 00s, the best music hit into the charts . In the 90s there was good music in the charts but absolutely loads of great stuff that didn't , now very little good music gets in the charts but it's much harder to find the best alternatives , that's why a thread like this can work,

The old promotion term was to throw any old shit at the charts and see what sticks , now they pick one or two and polish them until everyone knows about them then they throw it , if you want to find anything else it's not going to be on the wall now it could be anywhere .

So I will keeps adding new music to the thread some won't like it but if anybody likes anything that's an achievement , Gonna get a few brand new songs for you later

Also just because I love new music doesn't mean I ignore the past I have Spotify and YouTube playlists with hundreds of 70s-00s songs and I listen to 80s almost as much as current stuff”

If only the best music hit the charts back then Prefab Sprout would have had alot of hits and Shakin' Stevens none.
mushymanrob
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Thorney:
“That's the difference in the 70s, 80s and I would also say mid 00s, the best music hit into the charts . In the 90s there was good music in the charts but absolutely loads of great stuff that didn't , now very little good music gets in the charts but it's much harder to find the best alternatives , that's why a thread like this can work,
”

disagree..... you overlook the 60's (which for a short period 65-67 had very little overtly commercial music but had a lot of original, experimental, cutting edge styles ) and dismiss the 90's when there was a lot of groundbreaking dance as dance went through a revolution.

i think this is true for the first half of the 00's too, but by 06 its all bland rubbish we still have today (with a few gems in there).
Thorney
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“If only the best music hit the charts back then Prefab Sprout would have had alot of hits and Shakin' Stevens none.”

well of course Prefab Sprout were brilliant
Thorney
20-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“disagree..... you overlook the 60's (which for a short period 65-67 had very little overtly commercial music but had a lot of original, experimental, cutting edge styles ) and dismiss the 90's when there was a lot of groundbreaking dance as dance went through a revolution.

i think this is true for the first half of the 00's too, but by 06 its all bland rubbish we still have today (with a few gems in there).”

I overlook 60s as i was only born in 71, cant speak with authority about it. There has always been good music in and out of the charts but the 90s especially had both more than any decade.

Anyway this is just turning into the other thread,it should be about the music not just debate which will go on forever tbh.
Thorney
20-01-2016
Here are my three favourite songs right now.

Fatherson - Always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14dj6wgPgRE

Been big in the indie scene and Introducing for last 3 years, this is their major label debut mixing folk pop with big music, kind of Snow Patrol meets Mumfords, yes comparing to other bands again but it just makes me feel good.

The Coral - Chasing The Tail Of A Dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJnFFHsbAYI

Most will know them, this is their brilliant psychedelic return

Oscar - Sometimes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKtZuT9al5U

Love this so much kind of Blur meets C86 by way of Divine Comedy.
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