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mushymanrob
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“When I say back then I mean back in the 80s.
You're in your 40s like me so I'm assuming you remember the 80s. I felt that as we got into the 90s music just seemed to lose something. I remember when I was about 17 I started going off chart music. This was about 1990/91. I was just getting less and less enjoyment listening to it. I didn't like the sound of the music or the look of the bands. Eight years before you'd have Howard Jones on TOTP or Level 42. Just bands that you recognised but in the early 90s you started getting all these faceless dance acts and the music slowly started to lose the verse chorus, verse chorus, middle bit final verse chorus.
You keep saying the songs I pick are average. If someone likes certain songs they're not average to them. There's been countless links to modern songs which are apparently great but in my opinion are way way below average. Bloody awful to be honest.”

yep, i felt the same as the 60's gave way to the 70's..

what this highlights of course is the variety of styles there used to be. looking back 1960 (and before) - 2005 the charts were dominated with differing styles, several at any one time, but these styles came and went being replaced by new styles.

i reckon its these styles and the generation who made them their own , thats defined uk chart music. i think theres about 3 styles per decade from (at least) the 60's into the new millennium. early 60's had a different sound from the mid 60's, which in turn was different from the late. that can be applied to every decade upto the new millennium. todays music wouldnt sound out of place in comparison to music from 10 years ago... its all a bland generic mush.
Inkblot
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“yep, i felt the same as the 60's gave way to the 70's..

what this highlights of course is the variety of styles there used to be. looking back 1960 (and before) - 2005 the charts were dominated with differing styles, several at any one time, but these styles came and went being replaced by new styles.

i reckon its these styles and the generation who made them their own , thats defined uk chart music.”

Threads like this and all the previous ones amply demonstrate that there is plenty of good music out there, but that it isn't always the music that dominates or defines the charts.

What has changed? Obviously the biggest change is that the way the charts are compiled means that they are no longer simply based on sales of physical singles. Secondly, the sale of physical singles is itself less representative of the collective musical taste of the UK. Put those two facts together and you have a situation where the singles charts have changed from being a snapshot of the UK music scene at any given time to being a simplistic representation of a small cross-section of the music scene.

The bottom line is that in the 60s the singles charts reflected the music that everyone bought, and that's why they were exciting. Now they don't, and that's why they're not exciting any more.
mushymanrob
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by Inkblot:
“Threads like this and all the previous ones amply demonstrate that there is plenty of good music out there, but that it isn't always the music that dominates or defines the charts.

What has changed? Obviously the biggest change is that the way the charts are compiled means that they are no longer simply based on sales of physical singles. Secondly, the sale of physical singles is itself less representative of the collective musical taste of the UK. Put those two facts together and you have a situation where the singles charts have changed from being a snapshot of the UK music scene at any given time to being a simplistic representation of a small cross-section of the music scene.

The bottom line is that in the 60s the singles charts reflected the music that everyone bought, and that's why they were exciting. Now they don't, and that's why they're not exciting any more.”

yep i reckon youre on the ball there

id add that the music buying public is different today then 50 years ago - where, in the 60's , pop music was almost entirely the domain of the youth . (ok you had a lot of 'mums' music in there too, usually solo ballad singers, tom, engelbert, val, matt, vince, malcome etc) .

today we get a lot of adults, like ourselves, buying pop music and adults tend to have a blander taste then the youth lol (ok maybe not us who come here, coming here demonstrates we are possibly more interested in modern music then many others).

id argue that the great styles were created by the youth of the day, not by the oldies (but they managed the acts etc) as evidence of this.
Thorney
26-01-2016
actually think kids have blander taste than adults now, the most groundbreaking and angry music is being made by people over 40 eg The Prodigy and Sleatford Mods.

Kids used to annoy their parents but listening to just 'noise' now we are annoyed with them being satisfied with Sam Smith, Adele etc
ItsNick
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“yep, i felt the same as the 60's gave way to the 70's..

what this highlights of course is the variety of styles there used to be. looking back 1960 (and before) - 2005 the charts were dominated with differing styles, several at any one time, but these styles came and went being replaced by new styles.

i reckon its these styles and the generation who made them their own , thats defined uk chart music. i think theres about 3 styles per decade from (at least) the 60's into the new millennium. early 60's had a different sound from the mid 60's, which in turn was different from the late. that can be applied to every decade upto the new millennium. todays music wouldnt sound out of place in comparison to music from 10 years ago... its all a bland generic mush.”

I agree with that.
I mean imagine you're in 1990. If you listened to two records you'd never heard before, one from 1990 and one from 1980 you'd know just by the sound of them which was from '90 and which was from '80. Nowadays if I listen to a record from 2016 and then one from 2006 the sound is literally exact. Very very little difference.
AdamDowds
26-01-2016
Attempting to steer this thread back to it's original purpose.

Some of my latest discoveries:

YACHT - I Thought the Future Would Be Cooler
Bleached - Keep On Keepin' On
Blaenavon - Hell is My Head

I've been into this band for almost 2 years, this should be the year their debut album comes out and I think it will be brilliant.

Nimmo - UnYoung
ItsNick
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by Thorney:
“Oh yeh no bands in 90s 1990-1991 you had bands like Jesus Jones, EMF, Happy Mondays, Nirvana, And you still had traditional pop/rock bands like Deacon Blue, Texas, Crowded House, that's just if the top of my head”

I couldn't stand any of them either. Well I say that, Deacon Blue had a couple of songs that were ok like Fergus sings the Blues.

Quote:
“Level 42 they make today's chart music sound cutting edge”

Come off it. Level 42 make todays music sound shite which, let's be honest isn't that difficult.
ItsNick
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by AdamDowds:
“Attempting to steer this thread back to it's original purpose.

Some of my latest discoveries:

YACHT - I Thought the Future Would Be Cooler
Bleached - Keep On Keepin' On
Blaenavon - Hell is My Head

I've been into this band for almost 2 years, this should be the year their debut album comes out and I think it will be brilliant.

Nimmo - UnYoung”

I quite liked 'I Thought the future would be cooler'. The other three didn't do a lot for me but the guitar intro to 'Hell Is My Head' ( the bit between 12 - 35 seconds) reminded me of an old song. Damn, what is it.
Anyway out of those four I'd say Yacht was best.
Peter the Great
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I couldn't stand any of them either. Well I say that, Deacon Blue had a couple of songs that were ok like Fergus sings the Blues.

Come off it. Level 42 make todays music sound shite which, let's be honest isn't that difficult.”

Let's be honest that is total bollocks.
ItsNick
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I don't know why you picked all live versions because sometimes I don't think live music does the song justice but the Jazmine Sullivan track 'Let It Burn' was a thousand times better than the others by a country mile. The others were either rap shit or just boring. But thanks for introducing me to Let It Burn. Reminded me a bit of Hanging on a string by Loose Ends, very mid 80s soul sound to it.”

I take back what I said. I've just found that the main melody/tune of Let It Burn used a sample from an 80s song called 'Ready Or Not' by After 7. I honestly thought that tune was composed nowadays but no, it's from the 80s. Says it all really doesn't it.
mrkite77
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“I guess the ongoing, relentless pursuit of new things to listen to is a shared experience for some here and in that sense is a form of bonding.”

Heh. Checking the message history from one of my friends, 80% of it is nothing but sending songs back and forth.

Typical conversation:
http://i.imgur.com/uN5vFUM.png

song mentioned, just in case anyone cares:
Ott - The Queen of All Everything
mrkite77
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“I think there is a certain type of epic, exciting music that hints at a unachievable certainty that I always like irrespective of time or genre.”

Here's the first song that came to mind:

Starbound OST - Vast, Immortal Suns

I think it's the most epic song I own.
ItsNick
26-01-2016
Originally Posted by Peter the Great:
“Let's be honest that is total bollocks.”

We've obviously got totally different taste in music so let's agree to disagree.
mgvsmith
27-01-2016
Originally Posted by mrkite77:
“Here's the first song that came to mind:

Starbound OST - Vast, Immortal Suns

I think it's the most epic song I own.”

Yeah that's pretty good. That's a game soundtrack and this is a film soundtrack.... John Murphy (Adagio in D Minor), Sunshine

Or almost anything by one of my fav bands...
Angels and Airwaves - The Adventure

(Just discovered that Tom Delonge has a solo album, must give it a listen.)
vauxhall1964
27-01-2016
Originally Posted by ItsNick:
“I agree with that.
I mean imagine you're in 1990. If you listened to two records you'd never heard before, one from 1990 and one from 1980 you'd know just by the sound of them which was from '90 and which was from '80. Nowadays if I listen to a record from 2016 and then one from 2006 the sound is literally exact. Very very little difference.”

to be honest you can say the same about clothes, cars, hairstyles, how we decorate our houses... For a reason i'm not sure about the big and obvious leaps in styles that marked the decades in the past have slowed to a crawl. 2016 looks and sounds pretty much like 2006 on most counts, music being just one.
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