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Old 27-04-2016, 17:56
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As part of Formula 1 coverage on Sky, DHL will present the “Fastest Pit Stop Award” and the “Fastest Lap Award” after the race
I have a vague recollection of Sky actually doing the pit stop award bit in China with Williams, I could be wrong though. I don't recall it being anything major at the time.

Worth noting too that DHL have sponsored Sky's coverage since the start of the season.
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Old 27-04-2016, 19:17
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As part of Formula 1 coverage on Sky, DHL will present the “Fastest Pit Stop Award” and the “Fastest Lap Award” after the race

https://corporate.sky.com/media-cent...ng-partnership

This sort of thing is common on American TV but I don’t ever recall anything quite like it before in the UK.

What are the OFCOM rules in this area?

Might they get around any rules by actually making a presentation to the team / driver – ie Brundle or someone physically handing them an award? (Rather than it just being “announced” on TV).
The award is already awarded right now anyway, so I suspect sky will get around it (if indeed ther are any OFCOM rules, but I don't think there are anyway), by happening to be in the paddock filming, while the presentation ceremony is happening.
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Old 27-04-2016, 19:59
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I have a vague recollection of Sky actually doing the pit stop award bit in China with Williams, I could be wrong though. I don't recall it being anything major at the time.
Yeah it was Ted wasn't it ? I remember seeing something anyway
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Old 27-04-2016, 20:09
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Yeah it was Ted wasn't it ? I remember seeing something anyway
It was Ted in the Notebook. He said he thinks they were the fastest in the race, but definitely were in the first 2 races. (If memory serves me right.
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Old 27-04-2016, 20:43
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It was Ted in the Notebook. He said he thinks they were the fastest in the race, but definitely were in the first 2 races. (If memory serves me right.
The Fastest Lap Award was also mentioned by Simon just before the first ad break after the race IIRC.
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Old 28-04-2016, 00:47
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Probably stefmeister knows more about it, but in the end are there providers taking the new (and much better) data feed from FOM instead of Timing Page 4?
I don't actually think any broadcasters are showing it at all as i've seen no mention of it outside of people that are able to view the FOM satellite feeds.
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Old 28-04-2016, 08:54
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I don't actually think any broadcasters are showing it at all as i've seen no mention of it outside of people that are able to view the FOM satellite feeds.
At least 2 or 3 years ago, only 2 (Germany for either just the race or everything but the race, and Finland for all sessions) broadcasters worldwide were showing FOM's highlights loop channel, so that doesn't surprise me.

What's the resolution that Sky transmit the additional content channels in over their red button service nowadays? 576SD or 720HD? It can't be 1080HD, surely?
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Old 28-04-2016, 11:15
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It would be nice if IndyCar or NBC (or whoever's in charge of producing the international feed) could pay the international feed a bit more attention, maybe give us a modern graphics set (with any US-only bits like the NBC Logo and/or references to adverts/US-only sponsorship taken out, if that's what's causing an older more generic set to be needed).
The international feed is handled by ESPN, which is why it uses the ESPN graphics set.
They only have access to the pictures from the race truck, not anything added downstream by NBC, which is why you don't see any of the NBC features.

They really should be adding a different English language commentary though, so that you don't realise you are missing the features (they add Spanish and I think Portuguese commentaries). I suspect they don't because none of the English-language broadcasters who take Indycar are paying more than a token amount for it.

WTCC: Martin Haven was in particularly ranty mode, with everything from the TV coverage ("pitlane schmitlane") and the random FIA penalty generator irking him (and rightly so). I do wish someone would give him a bigger gig than the WTCC, I almost think he's the best thing about it!
He'd be ruined on anything that people took seriously though.
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Old 28-04-2016, 12:08
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The international feed is handled by ESPN, which is why it uses the ESPN graphics set.
They only have access to the pictures from the race truck, not anything added downstream by NBC, which is why you don't see any of the NBC features.

They really should be adding a different English language commentary though, so that you don't realise you are missing the features (they add Spanish and I think Portuguese commentaries). I suspect they don't because none of the English-language broadcasters who take Indycar are paying more than a token amount for it.
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They always used to have a separate commentary I think. I remember Gary Lee and Larry Rice in the early-mid 2000s and as great as they were, I can’t imagine they were employed for a US audience!

Nascar get it right with their international feeds. They cover up any prominent advertising on the bar at the top with the series logo, insert their own replay bumpers over the top of the Fox or NBC ones, but otherwise it looks near-identical to the US feed.

Indycar really need to step up their game in this aspect, mainly because those ESPN International graphics are really, really out of date and make it look like you are watching something from 2003, and it looks dreadful when the commentators are referring to something specific when you’re sat watching a long shot of something completely different from the helicopter.
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Old 28-04-2016, 13:54
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At least 2 or 3 years ago, only 2 (Germany for either just the race or everything but the race, and Finland for all sessions) broadcasters worldwide were showing FOM's highlights loop channel, so that doesn't surprise me.
I don't think Sky Germany every took the highlights channel, Sky Italy did.

What's the resolution that Sky transmit the additional content channels in over their red button service nowadays? 576SD or 720HD? It can't be 1080HD, surely?
1080i I think.


BTW Red Bull will be testing there cockpit canopy in FP1 tomorrow.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1622/...a5be9817_o.jpg
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Old 28-04-2016, 14:03
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The international feed is handled by ESPN, which is why it uses the ESPN graphics set.
They only have access to the pictures from the race truck, not anything added downstream by NBC, which is why you don't see any of the NBC features.

They really should be adding a different English language commentary though, so that you don't realise you are missing the features (they add Spanish and I think Portuguese commentaries). I suspect they don't because none of the English-language broadcasters who take Indycar are paying more than a token amount for it.

He'd be ruined on anything that people took seriously though.
Surely the international feed should be produced by the same teem that produces the domestic broadcast each race, (i.e. in this case, NBC?) After all, it's NBC who's shooting the pictures...
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Old 28-04-2016, 14:07
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I don't think Sky Germany every took the highlights channel, Sky Italy did.

1080i I think.


BTW Red Bull will be testing there cockpit canopy in FP1 tomorrow.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1622/...a5be9817_o.jpg
Surprised that even the red button stuff is HD on Sky (Of course, with sky it'll be a sub-par bitrate anyway lol).
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Old 28-04-2016, 14:11
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Surely the international feed should be produced by the same teem that produces the domestic broadcast each race, (i.e. in this case, NBC?) After all, it's NBC who's shooting the pictures...
ESPN hold the rights to international distribution & are therefore in charge of producing the international feed.

Surprised that even the red button stuff is HD on Sky (Of course, with sky it'll be a sub-par bitrate anyway lol).
Don't know what the bitrate is but the image quality of the OnBoard-Mix is very good from what i've seen.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1635/...764a3c95_o.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1618/...a690d0c4_o.jpg

All the extra feeds are also in HD on Sky Italy & Movistar.
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Old 28-04-2016, 14:49
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Surprised that even the red button stuff is HD on Sky (Of course, with sky it'll be a sub-par bitrate anyway lol).
Sky f1 has often had one of the highest bitrates for a sports channel, the only other sports channel that exceeds it is eurosport hd. That channels bitrate has always been high. In fact one of the highest across all channels.
The same there goes for what I have seen on Virgin, those channels both look very high pq compared. Sky q of course adds the 1080p upscale so it does look sharper to some eyes in a way if you have a good TV.
Next time the skiing or cycling is on, compare the Eurosport coverage with the BBC or ITV (think itv still do cycling) and you will see a major difference.
The f1 hd red button is in hd and of course in 1080i and the bitrate for them is generally high. Of course the RB streams are on the sky f1 iPad app too and they are of excellent quality there also. If you can work out from the sky active stream number then you could determine their bitrate, but will probably get some processing along with the other sky online streams like sky go etc. I'm sure they are all tied in together.
The BBC 1 HD F1 broadcasts bitrate was always showing as much lower than sky F1 and side by side it showed it on a sky box. The freeview BBC 1 HD F1 broadcast looked very poor in comparison from what I saw. When there was the HD red button channel as part of the extra RB coverage that has happened occasionally it was often said it looked better than the main channel, not sure on those bitrates though.
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Old 28-04-2016, 16:14
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BTW Red Bull will be testing there cockpit canopy in FP1 tomorrow.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1622/...a5be9817_o.jpg
If ever there was a need for the helmetcam...
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Old 28-04-2016, 16:48
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BTW Red Bull will be testing there cockpit canopy in FP1 tomorrow.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1622/...a5be9817_o.jpg
Yeh saw them fitting it on sky sports news earlier.
They looked to be cutting out some of the Tag Heuer logos around it with a big pair of scissors.
Could not see the wash wiper.
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Old 28-04-2016, 18:45
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Could not see the wash wiper.
There isn't one.

According to Daniel Ricciardo they plan to use something like RainX & tear off strips to keep it clear should they adopt it for use during races.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...lity-solutions

I've seen it pointed out elsewhere that because of how narrow & curved these types of canopy needs to be for an F1 cockpit along with how little room there is in/around an F1 cockpit that there are no viable wiper system solutions.

I also recall Anthony saying on the coverage at some point last year that even with the flatter screens they have in the WEC getting the wiper to stay on on the screen & clear it properly at speed was often a big problem.
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Old 28-04-2016, 19:22
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During a break on SSN there, there was a promo for the Russian GP - which was from last season's race - with Lazenby going on about Hamilton being 40-odd points clear. Fail!
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Old 28-04-2016, 19:23
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ESPN hold the rights to international distribution & are therefore in charge of producing the international feed.

Don't know what the bitrate is but the image quality of the OnBoard-Mix is very good from what i've seen.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1635/...764a3c95_o.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1618/...a690d0c4_o.jpg

All the extra feeds are also in HD on Sky Italy & Movistar.
Those pics are from Sky Germany. I was on about Sky UK. Also, from what i've seen, it seems Sky's red button stuff seems to be only available in SD.
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Old 28-04-2016, 19:43
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Albeit an abbreviated one..


I was at the race at Barber on Sunday...

So..
Hinch is a babe sucking magnet.

Juan's car was being worked on all morning.

Those SATOOOO fans are all total rednecks.


My pal Bob and I went on a grid walk.

Our first port of call....?
The man that is Mike Hull.
He was so gracious and the info Bob got out of him was mind bending.

We went South on the grid till we hit Gilligan's Island.
Castaways were in a reflective mood. Mike was really effusive though. :up:



Miller: "What are you doing on the back row of the grid, Juan?"

Montoya: "The view is nicer."

Miller: "Hahaaathat's not true."

I was there for the interview.
What a scream the whole up the grid attitude is.
Kathy Penske was hysterical with 'The Montoya's' while that was going on.


He reconnected with Bob and all of a sudden I was relevant.
I recalled Greg and '99 and all the Early TCGR days
He wasn't interested and I still adore him.




I hung withMme Pagenaud towards the end. She's so lovely and full of spirit.
We hugged and she laughed at my French.
And all was good in LeMonde.

Jp
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Old 28-04-2016, 19:44
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Possibly got the wrong end of the stick here but the extra red button stuff on Sky Sports UK is SD only (576i)
Its never been HD for us.
Is for Sky Germany and Sky Italia though
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Old 28-04-2016, 19:50
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Possibly got the wrong end of the stick here but the extra red button stuff on Sky Sports UK is SD only (576i)
Thanks, that's what I'd thought.
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Old 28-04-2016, 20:53
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And all was good in LeMonde
You got to had it to the Americans, they sure know how to celebrate a motor race victory.

With perhaps the honourable exception of the Monza podium they do consistently ever so slightly knock the F1 thing of "find the car parking spot, hang out in a room with some caps until a dull interview on the podium with today's celebrity-du-jour" into a cocked hat.
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Old 28-04-2016, 23:53
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Possibly got the wrong end of the stick here but the extra red button stuff on Sky Sports UK is SD only (576i)
Its never been HD for us.
Is for Sky Germany and Sky Italia though
And a low bitrate 576i as well
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Old 29-04-2016, 03:38
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During a break on SSN there, there was a promo for the Russian GP - which was from last season's race - with Lazenby going on about Hamilton being 40-odd points clear. Fail!
They're still airing it as well.
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