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Old 01-05-2016, 14:59
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I liked the "tyres available" graphic at the start comparing the top three on the grid, which I don't recall seeing before but doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Oh yes, that was new too.
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Old 01-05-2016, 15:03
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Was I wrong, or did Hamilton cut the corner at the start without any penalty?
Yes he made a good start, but he CLEARLY went off and went around the marker post and rejoined in 5th place as the virtual safety car was called, and then just continued in 5th after.

In other news: I had to smirk at the drivers ignoring Putin - or at least, saying hello then walking away.
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Old 01-05-2016, 15:10
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Was I wrong, or did Hamilton cut the corner at the start without any penalty?
Yes he made a good start, but he CLEARLY went off and went around the marker post and rejoined in 5th place as the virtual safety car was called, and then just continued in 5th after.

In other news: I had to smirk at the drivers ignoring Putin - or at least, saying hello then walking away.
Watching it live initially I wasn't 100% sure if Hamilton slowed down a bit in Turn 3 when he rejoined to let Vettel go through because he thought he'd gained too many positions from the very move you mentioned and that in itself had been the trigger for the Vettel/Kvyat incident. Not actually sure if that's what happened but the replays weren't much help.

I think Hamilton was justified in taking to the run-off because of the incidents ahead of him but yes it did look as if he made up a bit too much time because of it.
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Old 01-05-2016, 15:24
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Was I wrong, or did Hamilton cut the corner at the start without any penalty?
Yes he made a good start, but he CLEARLY went off and went around the marker post and rejoined in 5th place as the virtual safety car was called, and then just continued in 5th after.

In other news: I had to smirk at the drivers ignoring Putin - or at least, saying hello then walking away.
You're right. He made no attempt at all to make the corner, and just sailed off into the run-off area. They badly need to adjust that corner for next year.

Not the best race today. FOM were pretty frustrating. They took way too long with the replays of T2.
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Old 01-05-2016, 20:27
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Steve Jones still looks a bit lost in his role as Channel 4 F1 Lead Presenter.
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Old 01-05-2016, 20:28
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You're right. He made no attempt at all to make the corner, and just sailed off into the run-off area. They badly need to adjust that corner for next year.

Not the best race today. FOM were pretty frustrating. They took way too long with the replays of T2.
Normally they are falling over themselves to show replays of the start, but they were quite poor today - and I don't think we really saw any clear replays of the incident at the back.
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Old 01-05-2016, 20:35
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Watching it live initially I wasn't 100% sure if Hamilton slowed down a bit in Turn 3 when he rejoined to let Vettel go through because he thought he'd gained too many positions from the very move you mentioned and that in itself had been the trigger for the Vettel/Kvyat incident. Not actually sure if that's what happened but the replays weren't much help.

I think Hamilton was justified in taking to the run-off because of the incidents ahead of him but yes it did look as if he made up a bit too much time because of it.
They probably want to go easy on him given Rosberg already has one hand on the title so early into the season. That said, they did reprimand him yesterday quite harshly and he's now just one reprimand away from a grid penalty. He's also guaranteed to be taking a grid penalty for an engine at some stage given where's he at so early on. Rosberg will do well to lose it from here, especially if they identify the cause of the problems before Nico runs into them.

With the Ferrari shambles continuing via the Vettel DNF this season could quickly turn into a ratings disaster.
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Old 01-05-2016, 21:14
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Steve Jones still looks a bit lost in his role as Channel 4 F1 Lead Presenter.
I think he's getting better, looking very comfortable on screen and getting somewhat better with the knowledge and the questioning although that's definitely his weaker point. Still not perfect but started better than Suzi Perry did in 2013 and at about the same level as Lazenby in 2012.
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Old 01-05-2016, 21:21
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Was I wrong, or did Hamilton cut the corner at the start without any penalty?
Yes he made a good start, but he CLEARLY went off and went around the marker post and rejoined in 5th place as the virtual safety car was called, and then just continued in 5th after.

In other news: I had to smirk at the drivers ignoring Putin - or at least, saying hello then walking away.
I laughed at the ego-maniac style questions coming from him to the drivers such as "do you think the setup here was good?"
Next he'll be asking for a cuddle and someone to stroke his head!
And Bernie there with him too was just cringe-worthy!

Why he has to be in the room i will never know, apart from ego of course!!
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Old 01-05-2016, 21:23
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On Hamilton, watching the start back he didn't really gain an advantage at all really.

He was on the outside of Vettel, Kvyat and Ricciardo when they all touched, and other than gaining ground from the 3 of them coming together he never gained any positions by going off.

The car in front of the 4 of them was a Force India and he remained behind it. He was beneficiary of Vettel ending up in the wall and Kvyat and Ricciardo getting damage.
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Old 01-05-2016, 21:26
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I laughed at the ego-maniac style questions coming from him to the drivers such as "do you think the setup here was good?"
Next he'll be asking for a cuddle and someone to stroke his head!
And Bernie there with him too was just cringe-worthy!

Why he has to be in the room i will never know, apart from ego of course!!
I have no idea how much Russia pays for its GP but given the prominence they give to Putin it must be at least double what any other country pays for it...
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Old 01-05-2016, 21:34
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Although the Ch 4 graphics have Hamilton's point difference as +7 rather than -7, which seems a bit strange.
Now switched back to minus signs...
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Old 02-05-2016, 18:52
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I have no idea how much Russia pays for its GP but given the prominence they give to Putin it must be at least double what any other country pays for it...
Perhaps worryingly, it's about £10millon/season less than Azerbaijan are going to be paying
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Old 02-05-2016, 19:18
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Normally they are falling over themselves to show replays of the start, but they were quite poor today - and I don't think we really saw any clear replays of the incident at the back.
Interestingly FOM had onboards of Hulkenberg and Gutierrez available (they were shown on the highlights feed).
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:59
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Looking from the on board feed from Hamilton of the start, not only was his decision to take the runoff the only thing that prevented him from being Kvyatted at the start too but I can't believe the harsh chop Vettel pulled on the force india and other cars behind through the kink, that nearly caused an accident all of its own.

Another low point was how Soap Opera Sky were being over Vettel's exit.
Replaying their own picture in picture of his arrival in the paddock (over the start replays!),
more picture in picture about 20 seconds before FOM picked up the same shot on the world feed (meaning we were treated to Vettel chatting to Horner....twice) and general caring more about the theatrics of Vettel being a bit unhappy than anything happening on track.

Sums up sky's attitude to the sport in a nutshell really.

Aside from that a race of two halves, good start with a few front runners out of position, dull second half when we seemingly were just running the positions home.
I dread to think how dull it would've been if the SC hadn't let them save enough fuel to make it semi-exciting though

FOM are locked into the lap 3 start replays though aren't they, even if it takes them a good age to get to lap 3 under the SC.
If it was VSC it would've taken even longer!
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:16
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Looking from the on board feed from Hamilton of the start, not only was his decision to take the runoff the only thing that prevented him from being Kvyatted at the start too but I can't believe the harsh chop Vettel pulled on the force india and other cars behind through the kink, that nearly caused an accident all of its own.

Another low point was how Soap Opera Sky were being over Vettel's exit.
Replaying their own picture in picture of his arrival in the paddock (over the start replays!),
more picture in picture about 20 seconds before FOM picked up the same shot on the world feed (meaning we were treated to Vettel chatting to Horner....twice) and general caring more about the theatrics of Vettel being a bit unhappy than anything happening on track.

Sums up sky's attitude to the sport in a nutshell really.

Aside from that a race of two halves, good start with a few front runners out of position, dull second half when we seemingly were just running the positions home.
I dread to think how dull it would've been if the SC hadn't let them save enough fuel to make it semi-exciting though

FOM are locked into the lap 3 start replays though aren't they, even if it takes them a good age to get to lap 3 under the SC.
If it was VSC it would've taken even longer!
Yeah i do think Sky are getting a little bit too hysterical with Vettel.
Yes he was pissed off, as his comms rant very clearly allowed us to hear but thats racing! There will be crashes, there will be incidents in the beginnings of races.
Just because its Vettel, for me doesn't make it that much more dramatic the need for PiP over WF replays and then hyperbole from commentary and pundits!

Sky's post race coverage is so bad now that i don't even bother with it.
I skip straight to Teds Notebook (Where i hope Niki Lauda swears every time ) and then thats it for me.
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Old 03-05-2016, 04:51
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FOM are locked into the lap 3 start replays though aren't they, even if it takes them a good age to get to lap 3 under the SC.
If it was VSC it would've taken even longer!
Is there some sort of logical reason as to why FOM are blindly stuck to that? I can't think of any, other than just annoying consistency.
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Old 03-05-2016, 07:50
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Is there some sort of logical reason as to why FOM are blindly stuck to that? I can't think of any, other than just annoying consistency.
Maybe some broadcasters stick PIP adverts in after the start & before lap 3, which would ruin any replays if they were shown in that window, yet FOM feel it's not worth producing a separate feed to counter that? idk. I'll ask GT-Racer over on F1 fanatic, he might be able to shed some light.
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Old 03-05-2016, 13:05
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Yeah i do think Sky are getting a little bit too hysterical with Vettel.
Yes he was pissed off, as his comms rant very clearly allowed us to hear but thats racing! There will be crashes, there will be incidents in the beginnings of races.
Just because its Vettel, for me doesn't make it that much more dramatic the need for PiP over WF replays and then hyperbole from commentary and pundits!
Can you imagine the coverage if it had been Hamilton instead of Vettel, it's bad enough with all the conspiracy theories.
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Old 03-05-2016, 13:23
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Another low point was how Soap Opera Sky were being over Vettel's exit.
Replaying their own picture in picture of his arrival in the paddock (over the start replays!),
more picture in picture about 20 seconds before FOM picked up the same shot on the world feed (meaning we were treated to Vettel chatting to Horner....twice) and general caring more about the theatrics of Vettel being a bit unhappy than anything happening on track.

Sums up sky's attitude to the sport in a nutshell really.
I dunno, Vettel going off has been the most interesting/entertaining part of the season thus far, it might end up being the high point for the whole year. I was impressed with him managing to swear in perfect English, is that part of his FOM contract?
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Old 03-05-2016, 13:34
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Is there some sort of logical reason as to why FOM are blindly stuck to that? I can't think of any, other than just annoying consistency.
Maybe it's always around lap 3 because thats just how long it takes them to look at all the angles & decide what to include & get it all together for the replay package.


I know that some tend to dislike the start replays but I've always quite liked them as its nearly impossible to see everything that happens on a start live & the replays give a nice chance to get a better look at everyone's start & see where everyone gained or lost ground & if there was any near misses or little bits of contact that I didn't spot live.
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Old 03-05-2016, 13:52
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Maybe it's always around lap 3 because thats just how long it takes them to look at all the angles & decide what to include & get it all together for the replay package.
That's true.
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Old 03-05-2016, 14:25
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I know that some tend to dislike the start replays but I've always quite liked them as its nearly impossible to see everything that happens on a start live & the replays give a nice chance to get a better look at everyone's start & see where everyone gained or lost ground & if there was any near misses or little bits of contact that I didn't spot live.
I think a lot of people don't necessarily mind the replays themselves, just more that they are stubbornly timed to cut in at the exact moment the DRS also cuts in and the field is at its closest so big moves are possible. Then they often do so many replays that a full lap's worth of racing is missed, and then they have to replay the stuff they missed, so more live racing is missed...resulting in a slightly disjointed feel to the coverage.

There were a few occasions when they waited till lap 6 or so, which is generally enough time for the most exciting bit of most races to have settled down and thoughts can turn to understanding the start properly without being quite so rushed.
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Old 03-05-2016, 14:36
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I dunno, Vettel going off has been the most interesting/entertaining part of the season thus far, it might end up being the high point for the whole year. I was impressed with him managing to swear in perfect English, is that part of his FOM contract?
Vettel's English is superb - largely because he grew up watching Fawlty Towers (in English, not dubbed German). As his appearance on Top Gear showed, he can even do accents.
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Old 03-05-2016, 16:23
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Vettel's English is superb - largely because he grew up watching Fawlty Towers (in English, not dubbed German). As his appearance on Top Gear showed, he can even do accents.
Also superb because he's probably lived & worked in Britain (for British teams) most of his life, plus people on the continent tend to have better English than we do with their languages, due to them being taught from an early age. Plus English is the international language of motor racing most of the time. It's been shown before that people with a poor grasp of their team's or series' native language tend to struggle within their own team. A case in point being (some) Japanese drivers who make the jump over here when their English was poor. I believe Yuji Ide was an example when he was at Super Aguri briefly.
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