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Old 15-05-2016, 22:48
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Heard a early bit of the race with Jack and Allan on the radio with Ricciardo in the lead. Went off to watch the ELMS race live on Youtube with Palmer & Goodwin on the Telly.
**A bit of a spoiler** ELMS race ended behind the safety car after 45 mins of rain and a stray white peacock on a gravel trap. I got bored of the Full Course Yellow wet running, so fired up the laptop, looked at bbc.co.uk/f1 and was bemused at the race result. All the video I've seen of the race was Toto being mobbed by the press in the paddock (Sky News).
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Old 15-05-2016, 23:30
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Thank god that Johnny Herbert was at home this weekend although he did text in and blame Nico. Shock, horror would've thunk it
He also started texting in bits of the regulation regarding drivers having to leave a car width to try & seemed to be pushing the opinion that Nico was 100% to blame, Had broken the regulations & should be given a penalty.


Something that is nice to see & that I hope we see more of in the future is that the stewards have written a detailed statement explaining there decision:

The stewards’ statement in full:

The incident concerned started when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power mode, as set by the driver prior to the start. This created a significant power differential between Car 6 and Car 44 at the exit of Turn 3 coming onto the straight, resulting in as much as a 17kph speed difference between the two cars on the straight. Car 6 moved to the right to defend his position, as is his right under Art 27.7 of the Sporting regulations. Simultaneously Car 44 as the significantly faster car with, at that time, apparent space on the inside, moved to make the pass. Art 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a "significant portion" of the car attempting to pass alongside. Car 44 had a portion of his front wing inside Car 6 small fractions of a second prior to Car 44 having to leave the right side of the track to avoid an initial collision, which may have led him to believe he had the right to space on the right. Once on the grass on the side of the track Car 44 was no longer in control of the situation.

Having heard extensively from both drivers and from the team, the Stewards determined that Car 6 had the right to make the maneuver that he did and that Car 44’s attempt to overtake was reasonable, and that the convergence of events led neither driver to be wholly or predominantly at fault, and therefore take no further action.
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Old 15-05-2016, 23:39
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I think its more a case (The stewards i mean) that they both took eachother out of the race, they both blew their chances of scoring points and no one else was involved so hitting them with penalties would be pointless because it only affected them both and no one else plus it would be a detriment to the championship fight to hit them with further punishment when they've already both suffered heavily with the crash.
Im glad they didn't get a penalty frankly, i just hope they both learn from it.
Rosberg should have given him the car width, its a shame it ended the way it did
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Old 15-05-2016, 23:40
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Wonder if any of the broadcasters will pick up on this quote from Hamilton in the BBC's final season review:

You have to be tough. You can't be nice out there. You can't be 'Hey, here's some space'...
https://streamable.com/6gub

(different circumstances obviously, think this is referring to the US GP first corner last year.)
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Old 16-05-2016, 08:08
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I was a bit disappointed with FOM's performance in the race. There were quite a few sub-plots in the race they largely managed to miss.

- Massa's drive through the field
- Alonso being told to stay behind Button. Why wasn't this broadcast?
- 2 Renaults colliding at the end.

Looking from all the position changes on live timing they must've missed a good chunk of the overtaking.
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Old 16-05-2016, 09:28
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All three calls from Sky, C4 and R5L:

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...-of-spanish-gp
http://f1.channel4.com/video/replay-...ach-other-out/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03v6s0d

Thought Crofty was best at the actual point of impact, but just my opinion.
I agree with you, Crofty's was the best out of him and Edwards. The good thing on Sky is that Brundle stays quiet at the start and doesn't interrupt unlike Coulthard who does. You couldn't understand a word of C4's call of that because they were both talking over each other.
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Old 16-05-2016, 10:57
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I was a bit disappointed with FOM's performance in the race. There were quite a few sub-plots in the race they largely managed to miss.

- Massa's drive through the field
- Alonso being told to stay behind Button. Why wasn't this broadcast?
- 2 Renaults colliding at the end.

Looking from all the position changes on live timing they must've missed a good chunk of the overtaking.
I think we've got used to them showing midfield battles as the front of the race has been so dull in recent years. Yesterday had a four way battle for the lead that even the experts couldn't realistically call until the very end due to the different tyre strategies and experiences of drivers.
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Old 16-05-2016, 11:08
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I thought the R5L call was appalling. Was listening in the car, and there was no clue that there was a Safety Car out, and they spent about 5 minutes talking about the accident without even saying what was actually happening on track, who was in front etc.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:19
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I think we've got used to them showing midfield battles as the front of the race has been so dull in recent years. Yesterday had a four way battle for the lead that even the experts couldn't realistically call until the very end due to the different tyre strategies and experiences of drivers.
But these events were mostly occurring mid-race where the front runners were not that close together or looking like an overtake was going to happen.

There is a lack of awareness from FOM, about what is happening up and down the field sometimes.
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Old 16-05-2016, 13:51
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https://twitter.com/f1broadcasting/s...73793830051840

No great surprise, BBC online's coverage of F1 is still reasonably OK, even after the loss of the TV rights.
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:17
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The accident was pretty similar to the crash in the GP2 race earlier today. Nico was way too brutal with his defending.

God knows what time Sky will stay on-air until today. Quite a lot to talk about!
Not for the first time, he's got form from a few years ago, if I remember correctly. Can';t remember the race or the year though, but I do recall him (twice) forcing cars off the track and onto the run off on a straight
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:40
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Not for the first time, he's got form from a few years ago, if I remember correctly. Can';t remember the race or the year though, but I do recall him (twice) forcing cars off the track and onto the run off on a straight
Bahrain 2012. "All the time you have to leave a space!"

Does anybody know if C4 redubbed the commentary of the SC restart for their highlights show last night?
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:57
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Bahrain 2012. "All the time you have to leave a space!"

Does anybody know if C4 redubbed the commentary of the SC restart for their highlights show last night?
oh thank you, I had a feeling it was Bahrain
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Old 16-05-2016, 18:13
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https://twitter.com/f1broadcasting/s...73793830051840

No great surprise, BBC online's coverage of F1 is still reasonably OK, even after the loss of the TV rights.
Mentioned that a few weeks back. They are utilising their 5 Live team to produce video coverage (clearly outside the F1 track in hotels etc)

That's pretty unfortunate (and a bit funny to end up broadcasting their rival's commentary indirectly!), must have been rather annoying for anyone watching C4 live.

Reminds me of ITV in Oz all those years ago when they were listening to someone in the pits and prevented Allen and Brundle commentating the SC restart. They had to re-record that for the daytime replay.

On another note, I reckon after today we now have a good idea what might get the CGI treatment for Sky's title sequence for 2017...
Yeah! I posted a long time ago about the two 'edits' the live airing and the dubbed afternoon version from Australia 2002 when DC went off at a restart... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11...mmentary_sport
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:36
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Does anybody know if C4 redubbed the commentary of the SC restart for their highlights show last night?
They cut straight to lap 6 after the replays and cut out the SC restart entirely!
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:43
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Yeah! I posted a long time ago about the two 'edits' the live airing and the dubbed afternoon version from Australia 2002 when DC went off at a restart... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11...mmentary_sport
That's the one They did a surprisingly good job of making that sound natural when they re-recorded that bit.
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Old 16-05-2016, 21:11
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After watching the Spanish GP do you think it is overly dramatic to say "team radio is dead, long live team radio?"
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Old 16-05-2016, 23:08
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After watching the Spanish GP do you think it is overly dramatic to say "team radio is dead, long live team radio?"
Team radio is a glaring omission now isn't it.
I hated the coaching of the drivers but the amount of stuff they're now banned from saying is just plain stupid and we get hardly anything.
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Old 17-05-2016, 00:32
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No team radio before 2005ish didn't really harm anything on the old non-F1 Digital + world feed. I like it as an addition but last few years there was far too much (obviously driver telling stuff etc). Could do with a touch more but if it's what is required to ensure drivers actually drive - no problem.
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Old 17-05-2016, 09:10
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I'd be interested to know the ratio of how much radio chatter actually happens versus how much is made available via any of FOM's broadcast methods.
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Old 17-05-2016, 09:14
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I'd be interested to know the ratio of how much radio chatter actually happens versus how much is made available via any of FOM's broadcast methods.
McLaren telling Alonso not to overtake Button was a glaring omission on Sunday. Although at least FOM now have access to a bleep machine for the bits they used to ignore
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Old 17-05-2016, 09:22
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No team radio before 2005ish didn't really harm anything on the old non-F1 Digital + world feed. I like it as an addition but last few years there was far too much (obviously driver telling stuff etc). Could do with a touch more but if it's what is required to ensure drivers actually drive - no problem.
I think it adds another dimension to the show. In a way I wish I could watch some of those old races again with the benefit of hearing the radio calls. Who knows, maybe Senna and Prost were getting the same level of coaching, but never hearing it helps maintain their mystique.

It is a team sport, so this idea that the drivers should be on their own is false. But I think some of the "come on mate" calls make the drivers look weak.
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Old 17-05-2016, 11:34
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Makes me wonder if any of the broadcasters/commentary teams were fed up with the team radio coming on so often & interrupting what they were saying.

Interestingly, FOM (for the past few years) have made a "Team-Radio-less" world feed, which doesn't feature any team radio at all.

You can tell this because if you watch say the pitlane channel (which has the regular world feed in an inset) and the TV world feed at the same time, whenever the TV goes to a 'Pit wall live' interview, you can see a team radio graphic come up on the world feed within the pits channel inset, yet it doesn't come up on the TV feed.
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Old 17-05-2016, 13:16
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Makes me wonder if any of the broadcasters/commentary teams were fed up with the team radio coming on so often & interrupting what they were saying.

Interestingly, FOM (for the past few years) have made a "Team-Radio-less" world feed, which doesn't feature any team radio at all.

You can tell this because if you watch say the pitlane channel (which has the regular world feed in an inset) and the TV world feed at the same time, whenever the TV goes to a 'Pit wall live' interview, you can see a team radio graphic come up on the world feed within the pits channel inset, yet it doesn't come up on the TV feed.
Close, but not quite. FOM do provide a feed without team radio - but it's the graphics-free 'clean feed'. When the BBC/Sky don't want team radio they use audio from that and the part of the screen where the graphic would appear to cover over the usual world feed graphic.

It's usually seamless, but does cause a problem when FOM throw in their classification screen in the bottom-right, as the composition then appears on top of part of that graphic.
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Old 17-05-2016, 15:15
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Close, but not quite. FOM do provide a feed without team radio - but it's the graphics-free 'clean feed'. When the BBC/Sky don't want team radio they use audio from that and the part of the screen where the graphic would appear to cover over the usual world feed graphic.

It's usually seamless, but does cause a problem when FOM throw in their classification screen in the bottom-right, as the composition then appears on top of part of that graphic.
So they just replace that small segment of the screen? Interesting, thanks.
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