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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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FOM Fan
31-05-2016
Justin Bieber was at the Monaco Grand Prix last year (and possibly the year before too). It's a sponsorship thing with one of the local sponsors I presume. I'm sure he was in the paddock after the victory last year as well, but he didn't do the podium interviews then either.
lettice
31-05-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Justin Bieber was at the Monaco Grand Prix last year (and possibly the year before too). It's a sponsorship thing with one of the local sponsors I presume. I'm sure he was in the paddock after the victory last year as well, but he didn't do the podium interviews then either.”

Was that the kid who hugged Hamilton at the end of the race near the Monaco podium steps. Thought it was just someone from the crowd. Did wonder what that was all about?
DEmberton
31-05-2016
I don't know if anyone mentioned it but there was a fantastic slow-mo of Max Verstappen's crash in qualifying, hitting the barrier seemingly inches from the camera. I wonder if the cameraman held his station.

I tried watching a bit of the Indy 500. There'd just been a crash, so full course yellow, followed by some light drizzle that meant full course yellow carried on for ages. I watched something else for a while, then came back to it to see the aftermath of another crash and another full course yellow.

Even when there was some racing it was pretty uninteresting. Somehow cars doing a constant 200mph isn't spectacular at all. And by God there's a lot of ads on American TV.
gomezz
31-05-2016
I will be watching the 45 minute (one hour less ads) highlights programme of the Indy 500. May just have enough action to pad it out that long.
stevvy1986
31-05-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“Was that the kid who hugged Hamilton at the end of the race near the Monaco podium steps. Thought it was just someone from the crowd. Did wonder what that was all about?”

That's right, it was the kid hugging Hamilton. As I said, no idea why he was so close to the podium.
_SpeedRacer_
31-05-2016
UK viewing figures continue their pattern of losing approx 30% viewers per race, meanwhile Germany's see a small rise (a rare example of fully FTA coverage).

(German):

http://www.dwdl.de/zahlenzentrale/56...t_drei_jahren/
mjr
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by DEmberton:
“I tried watching a bit of the Indy 500. There'd just been a crash, so full course yellow, followed by some light drizzle that meant full course yellow carried on for ages. I watched something else for a while, then came back to it to see the aftermath of another crash and another full course yellow.

Even when there was some racing it was pretty uninteresting. Somehow cars doing a constant 200mph isn't spectacular at all. And by God there's a lot of ads on American TV.”

In the last few races BT Sport have gone ad-free during green flag periods, providing their own commentators in London to cover the breaks. The Indy 500 seems to be the worst of the lot for ads so it was much more watchable on BT this year, in fact the only proper insight I got into strategy was from the London team who immediately started talking details and strategy whenever we cut to them which was in my opinion lacking from the US commentators, I'd have been quite happy for the London team to commentate the whole race actually. Quite a lot of on-track action happened whilst we were with them too.

Quite honestly I have no idea how Americans can watch their motorsport with so much action being missed. We are very very lucky generally with our motorsport coverage in the UK, even if it could be better sometimes (and I definitely have opinions on where Sky are going wrong...) it's like a different planet compared to what our friends across the pond have to put up with.
popeye13
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“In the last few races BT Sport have gone ad-free during green flag periods, providing their own commentators in London to cover the breaks. The Indy 500 seems to be the worst of the lot for ads so it was much more watchable on BT this year, in fact the only proper insight I got into strategy was from the London team who immediately started talking details and strategy whenever we cut to them which was in my opinion lacking from the US commentators, I'd have been quite happy for the London team to commentate the whole race actually. Quite a lot of on-track action happened whilst we were with them too.

Quite honestly I have no idea how Americans can watch their motorsport with so much action being missed. We are very very lucky generally with our motorsport coverage in the UK, even if it could be better sometimes (and I definitely have opinions on where Sky are going wrong...) it's like a different planet compared to what our friends across the pond have to put up with.”

The ad breaks during a race makes it unwatchable because as you say, there is so much coverage missed by them wanting ads on!
No idea how they get through this and the F1, NASCAR etc. Coverage is dire!
AbMan51
01-06-2016
A bit late but what was the fruity language Lazenby was apologising for when Brundle was interviewing the drivers post race. I didn't catch anything at the time, surely it wasn't the word "screwed" from Dan Ric' was it?
chrisfinch
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“Quite honestly I have no idea how Americans can watch their motorsport with so much action being missed. We are very very lucky generally with our motorsport coverage in the UK, even if it could be better sometimes (and I definitely have opinions on where Sky are going wrong...) it's like a different planet compared to what our friends across the pond have to put up with.”

It’s been discussed plenty in here before, but certainly in IndyCar and F1 (I don’t think they do it in Nascar, but might be wrong), the majority of ad breaks are run ‘side-by-side’ with the on-track action. There’s no audio from the track, but you can tell what is going on if you pay attention. Not ideal, but better than actual full ad breaks.

After watching all the pre-race stuff ‘alternatively’, I only watched the race on BT after I noticed they were showing it with the proper graphics and coverage, rather than the rusty old international feed stuff, and it was really quite good having their own commentary during the ad breaks, rather than side-by-side or the actual ads. Didn’t really appreciate them cutting over the commentary with about 10 laps to go with their theory on why Helio or Bourdais were going to win the race, which turned out to be way off the mark.
FOM Fan
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by AbMan51:
“A bit late but what was the fruity language Lazenby was apologising for when Brundle was interviewing the drivers post race. I didn't catch anything at the time, surely it wasn't the word "screwed" from Dan Ric' was it?”

I think Justin Bieber said "Shit". Also "Bloody" is still considered an expletive, I think someone may have said that? (Also, 'Hell' is to my surprise considered a swear-word by many still).

In other news, Sky Have moved Sky Sports News HQ Down the EPG so that Sky Sports 1-5 have been bumped up a slot (but not F1), so the order is:

401: SS1
402: SS2
403: SS3
404: SS4
405: SS5
406: SSN
407: SSF1

BEFORE, it was:
401: SSN
402: SS1
403: SS2
404: SS3
405: SS4
406: SS5
407: SSF1
stefmeister
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“Quite honestly I have no idea how Americans can watch their motorsport with so much action being missed.”

Originally Posted by chrisfinch:
“It’s been discussed plenty in here before, but certainly in IndyCar and F1 (I don’t think they do it in Nascar, but might be wrong), the majority of ad breaks are run ‘side-by-side’ with the on-track action. There’s no audio from the track, but you can tell what is going on if you pay attention. Not ideal, but better than actual full ad breaks.”

https://youtu.be/rLUYrzgHNgk?t=40m12s
wal28
01-06-2016
Not a regular contributor to this thread and whilst remarks regarding BT's coverage of the Indy 500 aren't totally on subject of the thread, I would like to say how good the coverage was. Not only did BT stay with coverage during green flag periods what they voiced over from London was also excellent.

The only thing that was a bit odd was the strange black and white box of the three of them in a studio somewhere or other. But what they added to the coverage was relevant and worthwhile and a lot better than what Sky did back in the days when they used to fill in during US ad breaks.
lettice
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I think Justin Bieber said "Shit". Also "Bloody" is still considered an expletive, I think someone may have said that? (Also, 'Hell' is to my surprise considered a swear-word by many still).

In other news, Sky Have moved Sky Sports News HQ Down the EPG so that Sky Sports 1-5 have been bumped up a slot (but not F1), so the order is:

401: SS1
402: SS2
403: SS3
404: SS4
405: SS5
406: SSN
407: SSF1

BEFORE, it was:
401: SSN
402: SS1
403: SS2
404: SS3
405: SS4
406: SS5
407: SSF1”

Perhaps when you put two of those words together, it sounds worse. Certainly like that was considered a swear phrase in my day and would still be for me.
Hell or Bloody on its own, I do not see as swear words.

The sky sports channel changes will not take place until 11th July.
FOM Fan
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“Perhaps when you put two of those words together, it sounds worse. Certainly like that was considered a swear phrase in my day and would still be for me.
Hell or Bloody on its own, I do not see as swear words.

The sky sports channel changes will not take place until 11th July.”

Bloody (and in particular Hell), on their own are considered more religious swear words I think. I've been told (in person) to 'stop swearing' after i used the word Hell on its own (as on "Oh hell"). Up until then i'd never dreamed that "Hell" on its own could be considered a swear word.
stevvy1986
01-06-2016
Wouldn't consider either word to be swearing, offensive etc. I feel that with things like that (and some other words) that people apologise because they're afraid of getting into trouble if they don't apologise for someone using supposedly bad language.
FOM Fan
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by stevvy1986:
“Wouldn't consider either word to be swearing, offensive etc. I feel that with things like that (and some other words) that people apologise because they're afraid of getting into trouble if they don't apologise for someone using supposedly bad language.”

Probably. It's not as bad as joking about the death of the former Head of state's wife while in the country you're broadcasting from though... That's the first time i've ever seen a presenter apologise live for their own behaviour, in the same program...
Jonpollak
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“In the last few races BT Sport have gone ad-free during green flag periods, providing their own commentators in London to cover the breaks. The Indy 500 seems to be the worst of the lot for ads so it was much more watchable on BT this year, in fact the only proper insight I got into strategy was from the London team who immediately started talking details and strategy whenever we cut to them which was in my opinion lacking from the US commentators, I'd have been quite happy for the London team to commentate the whole race actually. Quite a lot of on-track action happened whilst we were with them too.

Quite honestly I have no idea how Americans can watch their motorsport with so much action being missed. We are very very lucky generally with our motorsport coverage in the UK, even if it could be better sometimes (and I definitely have opinions on where Sky are going wrong...) it's like a different planet compared to what our friends across the pond have to put up with.”

Well said mjr...
I've been suffering this exact issue for my entire life.
Hence my reticence to complain about European channels.
Sport 1 US or ViaSat are the best racing broadcasters to circumvent the diversion concept of American coverage.

PS..the 500 was a blast and a half gang.
Y'all HAVE to attend at some point of your life....(were you to call yourself a race fan)

Here's a poor paste up of my view sitting mid first turn.

Jp
dnet
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by AbMan51:
“surely it wasn't the word "screwed" from Dan Ric' was it?”

That was the only 'rude' word i heard
bobnick
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by dnet:
“That was the only 'rude' word i heard”

The apology was for Bieber's 'shit'.
Trajet
01-06-2016
Originally Posted by bobnick:
“ Bieber's shit”

I couldn't agree more.
WillButcher
01-06-2016
Read this in the Sky section. Sky Sports channels to move channel numbers again.
Quote:
“On the same day that Sky Sports The Open launches, Sky is to undo its unpopular decision to promote Sky Sports News HQ ahead of other Sky Sports channels on its platform: Sky Sports News HQ moves to channel 406, allowing Sky Sports 1 - 5 to move back to channels 401-405. Sky Sports F1 will be on 407.”

http://www.a516digital.com/2016/06/s...en-does-u.html

Sky Sports F1 staying on it's current EPG slot be totally unrelated, but this could be an indication that Sky Sports F1 might not last much longer as a channel.
The announcement that Sky Sports would broadcast F1 exclusively from 2019 made no mention of Sky Sports F1, and the announcement that F1 being broadcast in 4K next year on Sky which will presumably be shown on a Sky Sports 4K channel both cast doubt on it's continued existence.
aberboy
02-06-2016
Sky did mention, on Sky Sports News, a 'dedicated F1 channel' along with a certain number of races on Sky Mix when they announced the new deal.
solarflare
02-06-2016
"Sky Sports The Open" isn't clunky at all...
DanielF
02-06-2016
How is it staying where it is an indication it's going? Surely if they moved it away from the other channels that'd be a fair indication, but I'd see this more as a continued commitment to the status quo...
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